Why do we never mention the walking stick / short staff / jo as a formidable weapon?

[SweetDaddySiki]

This is an actual documented family style of irish shillelagh fighting that came to newfoundland in the mid 1800's and was passed down in the family. The current family head got permission from his old man to teach it to the public.

 

[Hotora86]

I found this dude, who employs a very "non-Asian" approach:



It is very inspired by the Portugese "Jogo do Pau", which, I find, is completely different from the stick fighting we are used to seeing from Asia:

Wonder how these guys would fare in fight vs Aikido ppl.

In theory, straight strikes are faster and more efficient than swings. Same theory is true for boxing but we've all seen technicians getting KOd with hooks or overhands sometimes so...

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Wonder how these guys would fare in fight vs Aikido ppl.

In theory, straight strikes are faster and more efficient than swings. Same theory is true for boxing but we've all seen technicians getting KOd with hooks or overhands sometimes so...

Thing is, with a stick this size, thrusts are not that efficient as you give up a lot of reach, so you cannot rely only on them.

The stick's biggest advantage is its reach and acceleration.

The strike with the highest velocity / impact is a swing that reminds of a baseball swing, where you let go of the back hand and lunge at the same time. It covers an incredible amount of distance if is seriously devastating. If you try to thrust you will come within the reach of that before you can thrust.

Generally my feeling is that these "aikido" styles with their thrusts don't exploit the sticks' potential.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

This is an actual documented family style of irish shillelagh fighting that came to newfoundland in the mid 1800's and was passed down in the family. The current family head got permission from his old man to teach it to the public.

Oh, a style that was kept a family secret for 200 years but for the first time ever available to the public?
Certainly the first time I ever hear that one, must be legit.

 

[Hotora86]

Thing is, with a stick this size, thrusts are not that efficient as you give up a lot of reach, so you cannot rely only on them.

The stick's biggest advantage is its reach and acceleration.

The strike with the highest velocity / impact is a swing that reminds of a baseball swing, where you let go of the back hand and lunge at the same time. It covers an incredible amount of distance if is seriously devastating. If you try to thrust you will come within the reach of that before you can thrust.

Generally my feeling is that these "aikido" styles with their thrusts don't exploit the sticks' potential.

How about Kendo swords vs the swing stick ppl?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

How about Kendo swords vs the swing stick ppl?

That's a very good question and I am just a dude who fucks around with a stick in the forest.
I would say that kendokas are very fast and have refined technique, but first of all they have less much less reach.
Then, second, kendokas are supposed to replicate technique which would be very efficient with a sword, but with a stick? Not so much. It is not what kendo is for.

 

[SweetDaddySiki]

Oh, a style that was kept a family secret for 200 years but for the first time ever available to the public?
Certainly the first time I ever hear that one, must be legit.

It wasnt secret. My father knew the doyles when he was a kid and knew they did this. It wasn't started by some murky ancestor in the distant past, it has an actual lineage of transmission starting in 1867 with edward doyle who immigrated from Ireland. I'm inclined to believe his claims, especially since he used to teach it for free and stopped teaching it to the public when half trained former students tried to open their own mcdojos.