Why do people attribute GSP's success due to his "athleticism."

[brainwash]

What I specified is that someone who has "wrestling" strength is different from someone who has "weight lifting" strength which is more valuable when it comes to fighting.

This is a common fact that only Sherdog geeks like yourself would dispute. Your posts consist of you showing how much shit you know about anything really.

LOL @ You geek.

Lol. this guy using the term "geek". everyone knows that lifting a 200 pound barbell is different from lifting a 200 pound guy. but it still translate towards each other.

and jones reach is a has high relevance to the kind of style he can use that others can't.

 

[DLX]

He's the most athletic guy ever in the UFC deal with it!!!!!!

 

[MARTIAN]

This makes absolutely no sense.

GSP is in no way faster than other guys. Yes, he is. His timing isn't better. Yes, it is. He isn't stronger by nature.Yes, he is. GSP is no Melvin Guillard. He's no Anderson Silva. He's Georges St. Pierre
.

You're an idiot

 

[Power of Pain**]

Lol. this guy using the term "geek". everyone knows that lifting a 200 pound barbell is different from lifting a 200 pound guy. but it still translate towards each other.

Whose everybody? MMA fighters disagrees. No it does not translate well with each other geek. Carwin himself said that the reason why Mir would never acquired the strength he or Lesnar has is because they had wrestle for a while were as lifting in the weight room just brings you limited strength which is not as dynamic as what you get from wrestling.

This is common sense logic that one would gather from training MMA. Obviously you have not train for shit while "LOLing" at stuff that any MMA fighter/trainer would tell you.

Hell is not not uncommon to see buff dudes throwing punches like chicks or getting taken down by smaller guys that knows how to wrestle/grapple.

and jones reach is a has high relevance to the kind of style he can use that others can't.

What style is that? Throwing lots of kicks and elbows plus knees from inside? Going for clinches to apply sweeps and leg trips?

Please explain.

 

[TruthHurts001]

ath

 

[brainwash]

You're an idiot

LOL. This is your argument.

me: 1 + 1 doesn't = 3
you: YES IT IS. (provides no proof)

Guess what bro. Before I went inside gym, I was weak. I went to gym, I strong. GSP same thing. Speed can be trained. You think GSP got bullied and pushed into lockers when he was younger if he was naturally strong? LOL

 

[Almus Monk]

lol this guy. "There are different strengths you idiot." What you specified was that someone who has technique could beat someone who doesn't. You wrote a lot just to prove nothing.

Its not technique.
It is different strengths.
Go grapple different blue belts who are, power lifters, body builder, a gymnast, a climber and a wrestler. All different types of strength and you'll notice it.

I remember in the beginners classes there was a 230+lb power lifter who just didnt translate well. In the same group there was a gymnast/climber and he was like like 150/60lbs. One of the strongest guys ive grappled lol.

He was so much stronger than the rest of the group

 

[Loiosh]

It would be too you but these are all opinions as some deem it true similar to Silva and his hand eye coordination.

His athleticism is one of the reasons why he was the champ he was just like jones reach attribute. Its not the only thing but those are main attributes that allowed them success. Jones reach allows him to stop fighters defensively from getting close and the ability to use his reach without getting hit. GSP's athleticism stopped him from getting taken down many times over and literally allowed him to stop takedowns on one foot. I have never seen a fighter do what GSP could athletically against very good wrestlers along with his athleticism aiding him offensively and even more so defensively.

This goes for every champion as they all had some genetic trait that made them better than others along with their skill. As I said GSP's athleticism aided him as much as jones reach and it is what allows both including Silva to be what they were.

Shalom.

Well, I could show you why you're wrong, but we both know it would be a waste of my time; you wouldn't listen.

Just out of curiosity, what genetic trait do you believe was the root of Fedor's success?

 

[brainwash]

Whose everybody? MMA fighters disagrees. No it does not translate well with each other geek. Carwin himself said that the reason why Mir would never acquired the strength he or Lesnar has is because they had wrestle for a while were as lifting in the weight room just brings you limited strength which is not as dynamic as what you get from wrestling.

This is common sense logic that one would gather from training MMA. Obviously you have not train for shit while "LOLing" at stuff that any MMA fighter/trainer would tell you.

Hell is not not uncommon to see buff dudes throwing punches like chicks or getting taken down by smaller guys that knows how to wrestle/grapple.




What style is that? Throwing lots of kicks and elbows plus knees from inside? Going for clinches to apply sweeps and leg trips?

Please explain.

LOL. You think lifting weights in the gym doesn't translate into functional strength? If I trained and bicep curled 100 pound. And you didn't train biceps. Who do you think would win in arm wrestling.

And I have been in a Division 1 wrestling room. I didn't train at all during the summer except lifted at the gym and I OUTMUSCLED guys who were in the wrestling room year round and was noticeably stronger than everyone shooting for the same weight spot. They even said I was stronger than they expected. That is not to say I beat them, because they have been wrestling their whole lives and are more skilled than me. But they asked me tips on getting stronger and all I said was I went to the gym while they didn't as much.

 

[Power of Pain**]

I adore Jones actually as well as GSP, those are two of my favorite fighters. All I was saying was that they have attributes that aid them similarly and in jones situation he has range and reach that he knows how to use well. Hence the term know how to use which is key for Jones as it would be a disadvantage if he did not know how to use it. Jones reach and long arms are a advantage as well as a disadvantage equally whereas GSP's athleticism is an absolute advantage. The issue is that all champions utilize something well genetically as that is what usually puts them ahead of the pack. Silva has his handeye coordination, Cain has his unusual Cardio and so on, they all utilize something equally. If jones had a good jab, he would be almost impossible to beat actually which is why I think he should move to another camp. I think he has absorbed all he could from the jackson family.

I get what you're saying but the thing is that generally I think it is unfair when those on here credit many of his success in MMA to simply him having a long reach when in reality that takes away from how incredible his wrestling his, how powerful his core strength is as well is how effective his Muay Thai actually is.

But like you said, he could be virtually unbeatable if he were to sharpen his jabs and one/two combos being that his reach would compliment those boxing techniques extremely well.

 

[brainwash]

Its not technique.
It is different strengths.
Go grapple different blue belts who are, power lifters, body builder, a gymnast, a climber and a wrestler. All different types of strength and you'll notice it.

I remember in the beginners classes there was a 230+lb power lifter who just didnt translate well. In the same group there was a gymnast/climber and he was like like 150/60lbs. One of the strongest guys ive grappled lol.

He was so much stronger than the rest of the group

What he specified was TECHNIQUE. Reread his post.

I am fully aware that gym strength is not the exact same thing as functional strength such as carrying a boulder, etc. But it's silly to not think that getting stronger in the gym doesn't affect functional strength.

 

[ticho123]

He's strong and fast as fuck. Timing is also a part of athleticism.

I would say timing is part body and part mind. The mind often gets overlooked in MMA. Your body can only take you that far. To be a champion you have to have the mind of a champion. You cannot fold or lose composure, and you need.to have a sound strategy. Theoretically you could become the champion by landing a lucky shot, but to stay the champion you need to have a strong mind aswell.

That's why I like Diego Sanchez. Usually my favorite fighters are technical like machida or Anderson, but diego has so much will and grit its insane. His mind far surpasses his body and its the main reason he can stay competitive with top fighters. Athletically and technically he is about mid level

 

[Sivo The Ram]

curious, if you dont think gsp is athletic...then why the fuck do you think anderson is?!

 

[brainwash]

I would say timing is part body and part mind. The mind often gets overlooked in MMA. Your body can only take you that far. To be a champion you have to have the mind of a champion. You cannot fold or lose composure, and you need.to have a sound strategy. Theoretically you could become the champion by landing a lucky shot, but to stay the champion you need to have a strong mind aswell.

That's why I like Diego Sanchez. Usually my favorite fighters are technical like machida or Anderson, but diego has so much will and grit its insane. His mind far surpasses his body and its the main reason he can stay competitive with top fighters. Athletically and technically he is about mid level

So is GSP. Diego Sanchez could easily be like GSP if he trained smarter.

 

[brainwash]

curious, if you dont think gsp is athletic...then why the fuck do you think anderson is?!

Who do you know can dodge punches like Anderson. You think people can learn that lol. people can train to get stronger. they can train to get faster, well as fast as gsp.

but noone can train to get fast like melvin guillard.

that is the difference between someone who is gifted and someone who isn't

 

[Power of Pain**]

LOL. You think lifting weights in the gym doesn't translate into functional strength? If I trained and bicep curled 100 pound. And you didn't train biceps. Who do you think would win in arm wrestling.

And I have been in a Division 1 wrestling room.

I never said lifting weights does not translate into functional strength. It does but not entirely. That is my point. You are the one saying one simply needs to lift weights and that's it. I am going by based of training MMA and Boxing and by what MMA fighters/trainers says. And trust me, I agree with you the importance of weight lifting since I like hitting the gym but you cannot just focus entirely on that to improve power in combat sports.

I didn't train at all during the summer except lifted at the gym and I OUTMUSCLED guys who were in the wrestling room year round and was noticeably stronger than everyone shooting for the same weight spot. They even said I was stronger than they expected. That is not to say I beat them, because they have been wrestling their whole lives and are more skilled than me. But they asked me tips on getting stronger and all I said was I went to the gym while they didn't as much.

But you still didn't beat them which is my point. If you take two dudes with same wrestling abilities but one where to lift weights and one was to not, obviously the one who lift weights will beat the one who doesn't. But yet if both lifted weights then the one who lifts less pounds but has stronger wrestling will more than likely beat the one who lifts heavier pounds but is less stronger wrestling wise.

Good example is GSP vs Hughes. Hughes was a monster when it came to lifting heavy weights but he got rag dolled by GSP whose wrestling was at that point stronger than Hughes.

Matter of fact here is what GSP himself says about the subject...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/12/...rges-st-pierre-i-dont-believe-in-strength-and

 

[saugeye killah]

Not sure...That's a good question.

While it's true he is athletic, he's not really that explosive.

 

[Just The Facts]

Great quote.

I wonder how many people are going to read that and say "who's John Danaher" lol. Oh, he's only a Renzo Gracie black belt, the grappling coach of Chris Weidman, and one of the best grappling coaches, period in North America...

I think Danaher is the most intelligent mind in grappling today...wish he had more videos on Youtube but he hates the limelight.

 

[Yolandabecool**]

He isnt the most athletic. Not by a long shot.

He has incredible ring IQ, conditioning and technique. This will trump elite athleticism more often than not in MMA.

 

[Kajeet**]

A mix of butthurt Diaz and Hendricks fans up in here