Why do I still not think Jones is goat?

[Vampire life]

My op, yeah he’s good but I don’t see him in the same light others do i guess
There’s several things at play, maybe you might agree
His lack of knockouts in a big man division bothers me
His attacks on opponents knees bug me too- the eye pokes meh not so much but there’s been a bunch, more than anyone I can think of
The steroid thing, what is it twice? Can’t remember but it seems ugly. For sure he hid under the cage from USADA, but they were assholes to some fighters so I get it
His lack of humility, I’m surprised he doesn’t talk about himself in the 3rd person
The arrests ( his character) the domestic shit
I wouldn’t want his endorsement if I had a company for sure
The close fights with Gus and what’s his face , that a lot of people thought he Lost - the way he dropped Machida on his face unconscious from a standing choke , his hot mic stuff, his off camera mouth , his fake Christianity and he made DC cry (not nice) I don’t kmow- after he retires or loses , I’ll post a thread saying”he was never that good anyways “ because I just don’t think he is all that

 

[Gabe]

 

[Wreckless]

 

[markys00]

Cause he cheated so many times?

He's dqd from the conversation. It's completely normal to feel this way

 

[Lights Out 101]

Hold on a minute, Dana told me multiple times that he is the GOAT and the number 1 P4P. Are you implying that he may have been disingenuous with his assessment?

 

[Elegant]

It's because you like many others are unable to separate their own emotions/biases from reality

You could make a list like that with any other GOAT candidate

Facts are that no other fighter has accomplished half of what Jones has when you look at the records, accolades, resume, and number of titles won

No other goat candidate went under the same strict testing Jones did under USADA so trying to discredit him with PED use also doesn't work, and his personal life is irrelevant to his fighting career

When you look at the facts and numbers there is no argument

 

[Lee Danger]

 

[joy2day]

Too hard to read.

My op, yeah he’s good but I don’t see him in the same light others do i guess
There’s several things at play, maybe you might agree
His lack of knockouts in a big man division bothers me
His attacks on opponents knees bug me too- the eye pokes meh not so much but there’s been a bunch, more than anyone I can think of
The steroid thing, what is it twice? Can’t remember but it seems ugly. For sure he hid under the cage from USADA, but they were assholes to some fighters so I get it
His lack of humility, I’m surprised he doesn’t talk about himself in the 3rd person
The arrests ( his character) the domestic shit
I wouldn’t want his endorsement if I had a company for sure
The close fights with Gus and what’s his face , that a lot of people thought he Lost - the way he dropped Machida on his face unconscious from a standing choke , his hot mic stuff, his off camera mouth , his fake Christianity and he made DC cry (not nice) I don’t kmow- after he retires or loses , I’ll post a thread saying”he was never that good anyways “ because I just don’t think he is all that

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

It's because you like many others are unable to separate their own emotions/biases from reality

You could make a list like that with any other GOAT candidate

Facts are that no other fighter has accomplished half of what Jones has when you look at the records, accolades, resume, and number of titles won

No other goat candidate went under the same strict testing Jones did under USADA so trying to discredit with him PED use also doesn't work, and his personal life is irrelevant to his fighting career

When you look at the facts and numbers there is no argument

PEDs = No GOAT

Repeatedly (and thats the only failed tests we know about)

 

[KhabibPink]

Jones didn’t fail any drug tests…
The drug tests failed Jon Jones BOOM!!

 

[MEAN357]

Cuz youre retarded

 

[Prologue]

 

[Ozze]

Like someone already said, because you don't separate the fighter and his accomplishments from his persona.

I think that out of 10 reasons you listed only two are really fight/skills related (PEDs and lack of KO).

 

[Mammothman]

Ok Anthony Smith, we know Jon Jones is not that "good"

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

The vast majority of your complaints are issues with character; not fighting ability. Everyone knows Jones is a prick but you provided a pretty weak argument about him being a bad fighter.

If a relatively new MMA was not overly impressed with Jones and hadn't seen his older fights, I honestly wouldn't be that surprised. People comment on how bad Stipe looked in that fight but honestly, Jones looked pretty bad himself and hasn't looked the same since the OSP fight IMHO.

With that being said, stating that the 2011-2017 version of Jones is not a GOAT contender is just fantasy regardless of PEDs (spoiler alert: all athletes use PEDs).

I have grown to hate Jones also but this is a 0/10 thread. You type like you're drunk

 

[BowserJr]

My op, yeah he’s good but I don’t see him in the same light others do i guess
There’s several things at play, maybe you might agree
His lack of knockouts in a big man division bothers me
His attacks on opponents knees bug me too- the eye pokes meh not so much but there’s been a bunch, more than anyone I can think of
The steroid thing, what is it twice? Can’t remember but it seems ugly. For sure he hid under the cage from USADA, but they were assholes to some fighters so I get it
His lack of humility, I’m surprised he doesn’t talk about himself in the 3rd person
The arrests ( his character) the domestic shit
I wouldn’t want his endorsement if I had a company for sure
The close fights with Gus and what’s his face , that a lot of people thought he Lost - the way he dropped Machida on his face unconscious from a standing choke , his hot mic stuff, his off camera mouth , his fake Christianity and he made DC cry (not nice) I don’t kmow- after he retires or loses , I’ll post a thread saying”he was never that good anyways “ because I just don’t think he is all that

You missed the biggest reason why he has left doubt as to his spot at the top

Instead of going after bigger and better challenges he stayed in an aged division filling up with unidimensional fighters until all decent challenges from opponents his size aged out. And when a new one popped up he's doing everything he can to avoid it while pretending he did take the tougher challenges

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Probably because he cherry-picks and ducks and fights once every 4 years, the fuk

 

[hoevan]

You could make a list like that with any other GOAT candidate

Facts are that no other fighter has accomplished half of what Jones has when you look at the records, accolades, resume, and number of titles won

No other goat candidate went under the same strict testing Jones did under USADA so trying to discredit with him PED use also doesn't work, and his personal life is irrelevant to his fighting career

When you look at the facts and numbers there is no argument

 

[SuperAlly]

A lot of that isn’t relevant to whether he’s the GOAT MMA fighter

Not a good human being perhaps, but talking shit on a mic or whatever irrelevant to GOAT status

 

[SuperAlly]

No other goat candidate went under the same strict testing Jones did under USADA so trying to discredit with him PED use also doesn't work, and his personal life is irrelevant to his fighting career

Fuck off with this shit though

The guy who got caught doping is the one gets the pass? Come the fuck on