Elections Formula used to gauge tariffs is mathmatically incorrect

[shinkyoku]

 

[Fanu]

Right?

Ford

Dodge

Chevy

Terrible shit.

Most of these are all shit cars to drive around in crowded european cities or small rural roads.
Some of the sports cars you list (corvette C7, ford GT, dodge charger), aren't sold directly by your run of the mill dealerships, like they are in the US, but have to be imported at a huge markup from US (so you have to buy it for 2x the price than you would in US).

Also your SUVs and pickup trucks are too huge, have shit emission standards and mileage. Gas aint cheap in Europe, so buying these huge cars makes 0 sense for average european consumer.
Americans primarily make cars for US market, not for european/asian markets. What works for you, doesnt work for us.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Americans build shitty over sized cars with massive tech all designed to fail that people in Europe don't want and cant use. they find American cars to be gluttonous and repulsive even. Europeans have way cheaper cars that last a long time. why would they buy the trash American auto makers put out?

its the same in the states. cars from Europe and elsewhere that are WAY cheaper and last just as long are not allowed to be sold in the states. our whole auto industry is a steaming pile of shit man.

luxury trucks in Europe? lol. have you seen the size of their streets?

I think you could argue that the auto industry in the US has had a kind of informal protectionism achieved by the kinds of cars Americans and Europeans(and Japanese/Koreas/etc) drifting ever further apart. Not only does it mean the same models can't be sold to different markets as easily but I think to import things like pickups to the US would put you at a much bigger disadvantage against domestic producers in terms of taxation.

Visiting the US around every 5-10 years from the UK the disparity in cars seems to grow each time, next time I go I fully expect this to be waiting for me on the car rental lot....

This Trump "formula" being so slapdash does I think potentially reveal these tariffs are intended more as a short term negotiations ploy rather than long term usage.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The 3 trucks.

Which are what we make here that doesn't suck

But I guess are too big for Europe's roads and cities ?

Euros don't really like trucks in general tbh. People who work and need to move shit about usually have vans. I guess because it rains a lot and you don't want your shit exposed to the elements.

 

[curryjunkie]

That’s generally not because of tariffs though, everyone else just thinks our cars suck. I was just posting about this in another thread, but Japan doesn’t have tariffs on any foreign cars and ours still don’t sell.

I asked him why he thought it was strange in another thread, he seems to think a lack of German f150s is some sort of euro conspiracy tittys ain't the brightest bulb ..

 

[curryjunkie]

Hold your breath ... don't worry... you'll survive.

I grew up with a Step-Father that owned a machine shop for high end engines, dragsters, drag boats, etc. and a Father that raced at Laguna Seca, Sears Point, and was Crew Chief for a Formula 1 driver (Gordon Strom). One of my good friends growing up was Gary Ornsby III NHRA Champion and father that was NHRA World Champion and first man to crack 290 mph in a quarter mile. I've spent a whole lot of time at race tracks and pits.

What do you want to know about engine size? The 428? 427? 454? I love the big 8's and the high performance 6's like Ecoboost 3.5 with turbos used by Ford for NASCAR.

 

[BFoe]

To be honest, regulations and emissions are totally different, it's why lots of Japanese manufacturers turned to turbos along time ago, there's also a size requirement for Japanese regulations, regarding capacity and actual size of vehicle.... Please compare apples with apples and yes plenty of US brands have poor reliability.... It's a totally different market..... Converted US brands in Oz did very well because it can be a very similar environment.....

Compare apples with apples? I’m comparing the cars we sport to the cars they buy. I understand there’s differences, but again, nothing is stopping American manufacturers right now from making and exporting cars that the Japanese will go wild for. There was no tariff. Don’t you think if exporting and selling different types of cars to Japan would’ve sold gangbusters, manufacturers would’ve done it already?

 

[BFoe]

It's based on trade deficit. His chart makes a lot more sense when you notice it.

But this whole trade deficit business is wrong too. Trade deficits are not inherently bad, we do not necessarily need to close the gap on every trade deficit we have. Trump either doesn’t understand trade deficits at all, or he knows what he’s doing (gouging the public to pay for his tax cuts) and is counting on everyone else not knowing how trade deficits work.

 

[William Huggins]

Compare apples with apples? I’m comparing the cars we sport to the cars they buy. I understand there’s differences, but again, nothing is stopping American manufacturers right now from making and exporting cars that the Japanese will go wild for. There was no tariff. Don’t you think if exporting and selling different types of cars to Japan would’ve sold gangbusters, manufacturers would’ve done it already?

Nothing stopping them.... How many US companies are building the types of engines and hybrid systems that sell in Japan?

 

[BFoe]

Nothing stopping them.... How many US companies are building the types of engines and hybrid systems that sell in Japan?

Probably none, because they wouldn’t be able to sell them in Japan, even without the tariff. That’s my point. Are they going to make them cheaper than Japan makes their cars? Doubtful.

 

[terrapin]

Are you against auto workers constantly demanding more and more money for less work since they're clearly not very good at their jobs and are just slapping together trash? Could probably get those cars cheaper if UAW wasn't so expensive.

I think you're confusing the manufacturing people with the engineers here.

But actually we all know you're not confusing. You're just conflating.

 

[William Huggins]

Probably none, because they wouldn’t be able to sell them in Japan, even without the tariff. That’s my point. Are they going to make them cheaper than Japan makes their cars? Doubtful.

It's not about cost, the US just doesn't have the type of tech required to sell in the Japanese market and why would you make such an investment in a situation that's so difficult to crack....

 

[BFoe]

It's not about cost, the US just doesn't have the type of tech required to sell in the Japanese market and why would you make such an investment in a situation that's so difficult to crack....

I feel like we’re saying the same things here, I agree with what you just said.

 

[BlankaPresident]

The 3 trucks.

Going a little off-topic, but why do you and americans in general like trucks as daily commuters? I can see the point in having them as a second family vehicle to haul things, as american houses are huge and full of stuff, but why not using a sedan or a more compact SUV/crossover as a daily driver? Honest curiosity here.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Going a little off-topic, but why do you and americans in general like trucks as daily commuters? I can see the point in having them as a second family vehicle to haul things, as american houses are huge and full of stuff, but why not using a sedan or a more compact SUV/crossover as a daily driver? Honest curiosity here.

Well I don't know if I'm right but I will take a shot at it and tell you what I think. There's a few reasons why I think this is a thing.

1 it's sort of cultural depending on where you grew up. Men drives trucks it's just what ya do

2. We're a bunch of fatties and driving a truck is like sitting in your lazyboy or sitting on the couch

3. They are rather useful. You can drive a truck like a car but a car isn't useful like a truck. You might not need to throw a bunch of shit in the ride every day or help someone move or whatever but when it is needed it comes in handy

4. Winter / living in a more rural area. Snow and ice and muddy ass potholed dirt roads are a huge pain in the ass with a car and a truck with 4 wheel drive makes dealing with shitty weather and shitty roads a lot easier. I live in Michigan and I feel like at least one truck in the family is sort of necessary for when the weather turns to shit.

5. They just look cooler than cars

And lastly 6 ....driving a tank just makes you feel safer Tham being in some little ass car sharing the road with all the other tanks.

I think some combo of these things probably covers most guys who drive a truck.

 

[BlankaPresident]

Well I don't know if I'm right but I will take a shot at it and tell you what I think. There's a few reasons why I think this is a thing.

1 it's sort of cultural depending on where you grew up. Men drives trucks it's just what ya do

2. We're a bunch of fatties and driving a truck is like sitting in your lazyboy or sitting on the couch

3. They are rather useful. You can drive a truck like a car but a car isn't useful like a truck. You might not need to throw a bunch of shit in the ride every day or help someone move or whatever but when it is needed it comes in handy

4. Winter / living in a more rural area. Snow and ice and muddy ass potholed dirt roads are a huge pain in the ass with a car and a truck with 4 wheel drive makes dealing with shitty weather and shitty roads a lot easier. I live in Michigan and I feel like at least one truck in the family is sort of necessary for when the weather turns to shit.

5. They just look cooler than cars

And lastly 6 ....driving a tank just makes you feel safer Tham being in some little ass car sharing the road with all the other tanks.

I think some combo of these things probably covers most guys who drive a truck.

Appreciated.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Oh noooo they did the math wrong. Get the fuck out of here nerd and take your calculator with you.

 

[Michaelangelo]

This theorem was prob taught at Trump University

Only the brightest and smartest can comprehend imo

 

[terrapin]

Well I don't know if I'm right but I will take a shot at it and tell you what I think. There's a few reasons why I think this is a thing.

1 it's sort of cultural depending on where you grew up. Men drives trucks it's just what ya do

2. We're a bunch of fatties and driving a truck is like sitting in your lazyboy or sitting on the couch

3. They are rather useful. You can drive a truck like a car but a car isn't useful like a truck. You might not need to throw a bunch of shit in the ride every day or help someone move or whatever but when it is needed it comes in handy

4. Winter / living in a more rural area. Snow and ice and muddy ass potholed dirt roads are a huge pain in the ass with a car and a truck with 4 wheel drive makes dealing with shitty weather and shitty roads a lot easier. I live in Michigan and I feel like at least one truck in the family is sort of necessary for when the weather turns to shit.

5. They just look cooler than cars

And lastly 6 ....driving a tank just makes you feel safer Tham being in some little ass car sharing the road with all the other tanks.

I think some combo of these things probably covers most guys who drive a truck.

Out west, nearly everybody camps/hunts/fishes and a whole lot of people camp regularly and you just can't even possibly go camping without a truck.

Many of those people camp in trailers or pull other toys like four wheelers and things like that too. And you have to have a truck for all of that.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

This theorem was prob taught at Trump University

Only the brightest and smartest can comprehend imo

Only the brightest and smartest get accepted there because there's absolutely NO DEI there.