Why do fighters with a decorated kickboxing background get KOd in MMA by fighters w/ amaterish hands

bad_k said:
None has won either lol

Jumping from pure boxing to MMA is a bigger jump than kickboxing to MMA by a large margin.
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True but none have been devastatingly knocked the f out like K1 boxers have
 
that one of the best kickbokers of all time ernesto hoost lost against bobb sapp is a bad look in my opinion, should of make those k1 fights 10/12 rounds
 
Quantum Jake said:
Examples:
Cro cop/kevin randlemann
Overeem/bigfoot
Joe schilling/hisaki Kato
Melvin manhoef/anyone
Ernesto hoost/bob sapp
Pat barry/all
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Why don't tennis players become ping pong champions ?
 
Myrddin Wyllt said:
Kickboxing doesn't translate directly into MMA due to the risk of the takedown. They gotta develop "MMA kickboxing"... & even then... it's just a facet of what it takes to win.

Being in a cage instead of a ring is a huge difference. Ask Cro Cop. The "dirty boxing" pushes a person against an immovable object & takes a kickboxer right out of his game.

Overeem is in with the heaviest handz in the world & so anyone can get "touched" in that division.
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Very well said, totally agreed. /Thread
 
Different stances, different distances, smaller gloves, takedowns etc.
 
Quantum Jake said:
True but none have been devastatingly knocked the f out like K1 boxers have
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I doubt that. There's a lot less money in K-1 and I think it's only a Professional Sport in Thailand now.

Meanwhile in boxing you can become a 100 million dollar athlete, even more than UFC.

Anytime you get more $$ you get better and more powerful athletes. I think kickboxing has the potential to produce way better fighters than boxing but they don't because there's not enough money in it. Compared to the KO beasts in Boxing there's few high level athletes in the kickboxing.

I mean Akeebono, Bob Sapp and Hong Man Choi were all pro kickboxers and they wouldn't make it past the amateurs in boxing. The latter two were actually champions.
 
Arm Barbarian said:
Threat of a takedown.

Anticipation of opponent shooting drops the defense, leaving the head open.
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The head is open in MMA no matter if your opponent shoots for a takedown or not.
Protecting the chin with hands doesn't work as well with MMA gloves as it does with boxing gloves.
 
Quantum Jake said:
Examples:
Cro cop/kevin randlemann
Overeem/bigfoot
Joe schilling/hisaki Kato
Melvin manhoef/anyone
Ernesto hoost/bob sapp
Pat barry/all
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Because kickboxing striking does not equal MMA striking. Stances are different, gloves are different, defense is different. Its almost like they are two different sports................
 
Same reason why Olympic or high level college wrestlers get taken down by others who never came close to that level of wrestling or no experience in wrestling at all. The same reason black belts get submitted by lower level belts. The same reason the guy who is deemed to have no KO power KOs a fighter with a "granite" chin.

Shit happens. Just cause you are great in one aspect of the game of MMA doesn't mean you can't get caught on any given day. That's what makes the sport so great, anything can happen.
 
-threat of a takedown. If you're a long time kickboxer making the transition, I don't understand how you're not drilling td nonstop. Also, drilling subs off your back lack crazy. If you can scare dudes away from taking you down cuz you're a threat there, then you have a better hope of sticking with your bread and butter.

-too much confidence that they're a better striker and have been hit with worse. Small gloves adds to this.

-lack of ropes to use for advantages in the dirty boxing and clinch game

All this has been said already, but as someone who took part in muay thai training for 17yrs, these are the main things that come to mind.
 
1. There are no takedowns in kickboxing.
2. Kickboxing rings are square and much smaller.
3. You cannot block in MMA the same way you do in kickboxing.
4. Gloves are much smaller and can fit through the guard more easily.
5. Kickboxing rounds are shorter.
6. Striking range in MMA is very different due to takedowns.
 
The same reason credentialed wrestlers get taken down by guys that have never stepped foot on a wrestling mat.

The sports don't directly translate.
 
KOskater said:
I mean Akeebono, Bob Sapp and Hong Man Choi were all pro kickboxers and they wouldn't make it past the amateurs in boxing. The latter two were actually champions.
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Yeah but they will all beat most of your favorite boxers in a kickboxing match. It's much more difficult to overwhelm your opponent with physical force in a strict boxing match like you can in kickboxing.
 
bad_k said:
None has won either lol

Jumping from pure boxing to MMA is a bigger jump than kickboxing to MMA by a large margin.
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what about mercer knocking out sylvia?
 
bad_k said:
Yeah but they will all beat most of your favorite boxers in a kickboxing match. It's much more difficult to overwhelm your opponent with physical force in a strict boxing match like you can in kickboxing.
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Well of course, boxers can't kick.

But the reverse is also true. With all the focus on the hands, a boxer would beat a kickboxer in a boxing match, particularly because of the different stances.

Boxers are also in a lot better shape and A level athletes... you really can't compare the hundreds of thousands of athletes in a billion dollar global sport compared to the thousands of kickboxers.

K-1 was so desperate for viewers they just accepted a retired and damaged Sumo.

Kickboxing in Thailand is amazing but it's a small industry and not global, way less high-level athletes. It's competitive there but globally it's way harder to make it in boxing than K-1 and even MMA.
 
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