Why did fighters on TRT become monsters?

Arguing what is in whoever's blood is an impossible task. Genetics matters boys.

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Fioretti said:
Essentially the reason athletes "age" or pass their prime is almost exclusively attributed to a decrease in testosterone levels. If you bring those levels up to where they were in their late 20s to early 30s, they're as capable as they were then, but also carry over their experience.

In a sense, TRT evens the playing field for older guys by making their levels "normal", but the major advantage comes from all the experience they have combined with those normal levels. A 25 year old can't have 20 years of experience in pro MMA that a 40 year old on TRT can have, despite their T levels being identical. The advantage isn't from just the T.

At least that's my view on it from what I've seen in gyms and in the big leagues.
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the way they also did it was a lot of them would bring it up to levels that were way above what a normal person would be testing, but still within the limit so that genetic freak athletes didn't false positive. Nevermind the average the range for someone their age
 
Moral Victory said:
Obviously it's a PED, but in order to get TRT they had to show signs of low testosterone and then get enough to balance it to normal levels right? Clearly there was more than normal going around in their body, shifty doctors?
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they have the ring experience inside of a younger body. Decades of fight experience in a young fighters body.

that’s why trt guys were so damn good. I’m sad that they took away trt.
 
Fioretti said:
Essentially the reason athletes "age" or pass their prime is almost exclusively attributed to a decrease in testosterone levels. If you bring those levels up to where they were in their late 20s to early 30s, they're as capable as they were then, but also carry over their experience.

In a sense, TRT evens the playing field for older guys by making their levels "normal", but the major advantage comes from all the experience they have combined with those normal levels. A 25 year old can't have 20 years of experience in pro MMA that a 40 year old on TRT can have, despite their T levels being identical. The advantage isn't from just the T.

At least that's my view on it from what I've seen in gyms and in the big leagues.
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Phrozenspite said:
the way they also did it was a lot of them would bring it up to levels that were way above what a normal person would be testing, but still within the limit so that genetic freak athletes didn't false positive. Nevermind the average the range for someone their age
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dmwalking said:
they have the ring experience inside of a younger body. Decades of fight experience in a young fighters body.

that’s why trt guys were so damn good. I’m sad that they took away trt.
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TRT was never bringing people above the normal level for people THEIR OWN AGE. The TUEs only authorized them the doses necessary solely to get them to the normal levels for their own age group, and even then it was often on the low-normal end according to guys like Hendo. There was no 35 year olds with the levels of 20 year olds, or guys being granted the upper most limits of normal levels. That was all myth.

At least not the ones actually following the TUEs. The guys way above the normal levels were the guys, wait for it, simply cheating and trying to use TRT as a scapegoat. Predictably they all got caught because the TUEs required random blood testing and fight night blood testing, rather than just fight night piss tests. It's not TRT if you go and take an extra dose of your testosterone injections like Bigfoot went and did, which is what failed him against Hunt. That's just taking testosterone at that point, trying to get yourself above normal. They were medically cleared only for the normal levels for their age and they predictably got caught when they instead tested way above it.

The guys blatantly abusing testosterone, if they were smart, would've simply never signed up for TRT as back then that meant they only got piss tested and had to pass the absurd testosterone:epistestosterone raitio test. In a normal person they'd have a ratio of 1:1 but commissions were allowing anywhere from 4-6:1 before they'd flag you.
 
markg171 said:
TRT was never bringing people above the normal level for people THEIR OWN AGE. The TUEs only authorized them the doses necessary solely to get them to the normal levels for their own age group, and even then it was often on the low-normal end according to guys like Hendo. There was no 35 year olds with the levels of 20 year olds, or guys being granted the upper most limits of normal levels. That was all myth.

At least not the ones actually following the TUEs. The guys way above the normal levels were the guys, wait for it, simply cheating and trying to use TRT as a scapegoat. Predictably they all got caught because the TUEs required random blood testing and fight night blood testing, rather than just fight night piss tests. It's not TRT if you go and take an extra dose of your testosterone injections like Bigfoot went and did, which is what failed him against Hunt. That's just taking testosterone at that point, trying to get yourself above normal. They were medically cleared only for the normal levels for their age and they predictably got caught when they instead tested way above it.

The guys blatantly abusing testosterone, if they were smart, would've simply never signed up for TRT as back then that meant they only got piss tested and had to pass the absurd testosterone:epistestosterone raitio test. In a normal person they'd have a ratio of 1:1 but commissions were allowing anywhere from 4-6:1 before they'd flag you.
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Yeah, "normal" males are typically 1:1, and "normal" for athletes is 2:1. The threshold for testing was 4:1, so they were definitely above average for their age group. Again, I still stand by experience being the true advantage, fueled by science reversing the natural decrease that occurs with age.
 
Moral Victory said:
Obviously it's a PED, but in order to get TRT they had to show signs of low testosterone and then get enough to balance it to normal levels right? Clearly there was more than normal going around in their body, shifty doctors?
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Yes its actually quite common for men in their 20s who beat the shit out of people for a living to suffer from low T. Thankfully vitor Belfort helped tell the world the plight of the effeminate cage fighter
 
Try TRT, go to the gym, answer your own question
 
TRT pretty much helped a lot of older fighters extend their careers and remain competitive past their prime. Once it was banned those guys all fell off a cliff and retired.
 
Is there actually any bad side effects of TRT? Asking seriously.
 
cws80us said:
TRT pretty much helped a lot of older fighters extend their careers and remain competitive past their prime. Once it was banned those guys all fell off a cliff and retired.
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Wish there was a TRT league where we get to see all of yesterday’s legends fight at peak performance because they are administered TRT in a safe healthy and fair way by the league.
 
They abused steroids (testosterone shots) in the past, so their body produces low natural testosterone levels. Then they go get a TRT exemption and take more testosterone...
 
elwani said:
Is there actually any bad side effects of TRT? Asking seriously.
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The New England Journal of Medicine published a study on TRT in 2009.

The men receiving TRT treatments suffered 4x the cardiovascular issues vs. the control group.

The results were so concerning that the study was halted on ethical grounds (TRT was considered too dangerous to ethical administer)

This is one study & I am not an expert in this field

but it sure sounds bad
 
JonnyBonesPharmacist said:
TRT Reem truly was a beast. Ironically he got smashed by another TRT Monster, Bigfoot Silva
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bro Reem was never on TRT
some of you guys clearly don't know what TRT is

TRT is hormone therapy. you get injection of synthetic testosterone. same shit that trans people do to become men. it's a normal legal medical procedure that anyone can do with a doctor's prescription. for a while it was legal to compete in MMA while undergoing TRT. to be on TRT and be allowed to compete, you needed a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE).

overeem abused steroids or synthetic testosterone, we don't know since they only test T levels. that's not the same as being on TRT since he didn't have a TUE
 
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