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Why complain that work = modern day slavery?

If you were given 4-6 years to retrain (with guaranteed access to said training, but not the job/career itself, eg. you can't be 5'8 and non athletic and be an NBA player for instance) with costs (including opportunity costs) paid for. Would you switch jobs or careers (if you have one)?

What if all careers/jobs were normalized in terms of income (no freeloading, everyone would still have to work, but income is no longer a consideration in what you choose)?

In real life it definitely isn't as simple as just choosing to switch jobs/careers due to real financial constraints. Is it slavery? For sure not in the strict sense but there isn't complete freedom either.
 
Why not work what you enjoy?

Give me $100 million... I'm still gonna want to do what I love 40+ hours a week.

To be honest, money always struck me as a distraction. If I happen to make millions doing what I love... so what? The important part is that I'm doing what Iove... yet others will just see the money and call me a "success" because of some numbers.
 
Why not work what you enjoy?

Give me $100 million... I'm still gonna want to do what I love 40+ hours a week.

To be honest, money always struck me as a distraction. If I happen to make millions doing what I love... so what? The important part is that I'm doing what Iove... yet others will just see the money and call me a "success" because of some numbers.

Only people already making good money tend to say that.
 
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Only people already making good money tend to say that.

For the most part, you're right. I'm just biased due to my own personality and how my family is.

For example, one of my uncles has made millions in real estate. But despite the millions, he's "working" as hard as ever in his 70s and after knee surgeries. That's because he simply enjoys creating real estate and selling it. He's not much different personality-wise than a so-called "lazy" teenager who spends 80+ hours a week playing video games. The only difference is one makes money and the other doesn't, so one is called hard-working, while the other is lazy.

Also, as someone who loves to create fiction, I'm stuck working at it for hours every week no matter how much money I have <45>
 
Everytime some mofo comes at me with this shit, I ask why they don't just quit. Bug off with your punk ass whinning.
It could be so much worse...

I do think everyone should have the right to take unpaid days off at any give time, if they give notice...
Lmao at this house <{monica}>
 
Yeah, I don't think you can say work is modern day slavery when there's still millions of actual slaves in the world.
Try not working or paying your taxes and let us know how it goes for ya bro
 
When I worked in banking we called it "soft slavery". We're civilized so we don't use chains & whips these days, rather, we use money and various rules & societal expectations to do the same thing; that is, keeping your nose to the grindstone while extracting the fruits of your labour and leaving you just enough so that you don't get any funny ideas about overthrowing the system. Sucking people into debt and making them buy shit they don't need is not an accident. Constant inflation to devalue your savings and encourage spending is also by design. Our society is designed to make people into willing debt & wage slaves.

Is it really the "system's" fault that people are materialistic and buy things they don't need with money they don't have?

Is it really the "system's" fault that we base our judgement of people on how much money they make and what they have?

I see this as a human nature issue, not one related to any system.

Yes, capitalism exploits this. But it's simply exploiting an issue that already existed.
 
I know I'm getting old as I cannot relate to being a whiny ass instead of getting off your ass & working for it. Here's my LONG ass story...

Three of my grandparents were migrant workers & the 4th was a rancher, true cowboy. My grandfather that was a migrant worker later joined the army & served in WWII where he lost an arm to a landmine. He never bitched or complained having only one arm & continued to support the family on modest wages after the war. He had 10 kids. My grandfather that was a rancher raised 15 kids on modest wages. Of these kids, there are judges, lawyers, career military, business men, teachers, medical workers. law enforcement officers, entrepreneurs, blue collar workers, and others. My parents met in the cotton fields.

My father graduated high school in 11th grade but stuck around to play sports his senior year. He worked since 6th grade all the way through high school. He joined the army after & later became a Green Beret while having 3 kids. After the army, my dad had 3 more kids for 6 total. He worked his through college, 15 long years, to earn his degree. My mom was the oldest in her family so she had to drop out during high school to work. She later obtained her GED & found a career as a teacher's assistance.

Growing up we were poor to lower middle class. We lived in houses at times that we rented but also lived in a 3 bedroom duplex for a lot of those years. Throughout the ups & downs we were never hungry due to their hard work. My parents never stopped working & earning. My parents were finally able to purchase a home many years later after all of the kids were grown & out of the house. Holidays have been great since.

Because of where we lived, we went to shitty schools. I took the best classes that were offered, played sports & tried to keep my ass out of trouble. These were things my parents stayed on our ass about. I earned my way to a very good college & worked my way through. It took me 10 years to get my undergrad degree as I changed majors 4 times. Soon after I went to grad school & earned my MBA in 2 years. Both times I graduated with honors, just like high school. While earning my MBA, I was working full time & my last semester my wife & I had our kid. There were days I was gone from 7AM to 10PM. It was a motherfucker.

Fast forward to now, and life is great. I mentioned in other threads that we own 2 businesses & are working on 2 additional ones. We own 2 houses & may buy another. Purchasing some land is on the radar. I'm hanging out on the lake every other weekend. I attend all sorts of sporting events & enjoy bad ass seats (see prior posts on UFC events). Our kid's college will be paid for because we've been saving for it from birth. I travel frequently & mostly get to do whatever the fuck I want. It's great but people, including some friends & family, only look at where you're at today, and never what it took to get here. We busted our ass for over a decade, living an apartments, working overnight...whatever it took.

My wife's story is even better than my own. She's from a family of migrant workers too. Her mother was a migrant worker & a housekeeper. My wife was the first of her family's generation to graduate college, though she has an uncle that's a lawyer for the DOD. My wife is currently working on her master's degree too. Not because we need her to, but because she wants to open another opportunity for earning. My wife had never lived in a house until we purchased our 1st home in our late 20s. Think about that for a sec. Now, her mom lives with us & doesn't have to worry about rent or food. It's a good feeling to take care of the generation before you that helped make your life better.

The country we live in is wonderful. There are opportunities like no other but you have to work them. Eventually, you work hard enough where your money works hard for you. Unless you are born a rich SOB, you have to work for it. But that's the problem, a lot of people today don't want to put in the work. It's too easy to blame the system or others for your life rather than personal responsibility.

TLDR: Quit whining pussies & get to work.
 
Work is slavery as most people work as a need, not a want.

Give anyone in this thread 100 million and I bet they all quit their jobs.

I couldn't work a regular job again as it's just so restricting on lifestyle.
 
Is it really the "system's" fault that people are materialistic and buy things they don't need with money they don't have?
Is it really the "system's" fault that we base our judgement of people on how much money they make and what they have?
I see this as a human nature issue, not one related to any system.
Yes, capitalism exploits this. But it's simply exploiting an issue that already existed.

It's debatable, because it really is a chicken & egg problem. For most of human history, acquiring & possessing things has been correlated with social status in one way or another and this is what capitalism is all about. Capitalism exploits human nature, but it could be argued that it's the least bad system since it provides the opportunities for a resourceful and hardworking person to get his dues so to speak. On the other hand, there's no question that it's an exploitative system with all the negatives which that entails. In the end, and to steal a quote form Churchill, capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the other ones we've tried.
 
Is it really the "system's" fault that people are materialistic and buy things they don't need with money they don't have?

Is it really the "system's" fault that we base our judgement of people on how much money they make and what they have?

I see this as a human nature issue, not one related to any system.

Yes, capitalism exploits this. But it's simply exploiting an issue that already existed.

Karl Polanyi, The Great Transformation:

"No society could, naturally, live for any length of time unless it possessed an economy of some sort; but previously to our time no economy has ever existed that, even in principle, was controlled by markets. In spite of the chorus of academic incantations so persistent in the nineteenth century, gain and profit made on exchange never before played an important part in human economy. Though the institution of the market was fairly common since the later Stone Age, its role was no more than incidental to economic life. We have good reason to insist on this point with all the emphasis at our command. No less a thinker than Adam Smith suggested that the division of labor in society was dependent upon the existence of markets, or, as he put it, upon man's "propensity to barter, truck and exchange one thing for another." This phrase was later to yield the concept of the Economic Man. In retrospect it can be said that no misreading of the past ever proved more prophetic of the future. For while up to Adam Smith's time that propensity had hardly shown up on a considerable scale in the life of any observed community, and had remained, at best, a subordinate feature of economic life, a hundred years later an industrial system was in full swing over the major part of the planet which, practically and theoretically, implied that the human race was swayed in all its economic activities, if not also in its political, intellectual, and spiritual pursuits, by that one particular propensity. Herbert Spencer, in the second half of the nineteenth century, equated the principle of the division of labor with barter and exchange, and another fifty years later, Ludwig von Mises and Walter Lippmann could repeat this same fallacy. By that time there was no need for argument. A host of writers on political economy, social history, political philosophy, and general sociology had followed in Smith's wake and established his paradigm of the bartering savage as an axiom of their respective sciences. In point of fact, Adam Smith's suggestions about the economic psychology of early man were as false as Rousseau's were on the political psychology of the savage. Division of labor, a phenomenon as old as society, springs from differences inherent in the facts of sex, geography, and individual endowment; and the alleged propensity of man to barter, truck, and exchange is almost entirely apocryphal. While history and ethnography know of various kinds of economies, most of them comprising the institution of markets, they know of no economy prior to our own, even approximately controlled and regulated by markets. This will become abundantly clear from a bird's-eye view of the history of economic systems and of markets, presented separately. The role played by markets in the internal economy of the various countries, it will appear, was insignificant up to recent times, and the changeover to an economy dominated by the market pattern will stand out all the more clearly."
 
It's debatable, because it really is a chicken & egg problem. For most of human history, acquiring & possessing things has been correlated with social status in one way or another and this is what capitalism is all about. Capitalism exploits human nature, but it could be argued that it's the least bad system since it provides the opportunities for a resourceful and hardworking person to get his dues so to speak. On the other hand, there's no question that it's an exploitative system with all the negatives which that entails. In the end, and to steal a quote form Churchill, capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the other ones we've tried.

Agreed. I personally love capitalism because of the freedom of choice it brings.

Want to create businesses and make millions? You can.

Want to live as a hermit and write fiction all day while living off as little as possible? You can.

Want to go into debt buying cars to impress your neighbors who don't care about you? You goddamn can haha.

As for the exploitative nature of it... Exploitation of labor like sweatshops and child labor disgusts me, since it's essentially slavery.

On the other hand, marketing in a manipulative way doesn't bother me since the consumer still has the choice to buy or not. Examples:

- Marketing toward young teens to make them believe they need product X to finally become "popular," otherwise they'll never be one of the "cool kids."
- Preying on women in their early 30s who are panicking that they're fat and single by selling them a fat burner that's the "secret" or "hack" they've been looking for.

Most people would be disgusted by the two examples above, but I'm fine with them since at the end of the day, it's your own personal responsibility to control your emotions and your spending habits.
 
Work is slavery as most people work as a need, not a want.

Give anyone in this thread 100 million and I bet they all quit their jobs.

I couldn't work a regular job again as it's just so restricting on lifestyle.

What do you do.
 
Try not working or paying your taxes and let us know how it goes for ya bro

I'm free to not work if I want to, it'd be a pretty shitty existence imo but I'd have somewhere to live and enough money for food, internet etc and would have freedom.

Not a slave.
 
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