Why are Republicans against Net Neutrality?

[Hog-train]

http://www.speedtest.net/local/new-york-ny

Rofl, a quick google search shows your full of shit.

You're a f-ing moron who doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

I lived here all my life. Do you live here?

Different PARTS of NYC have different Cable options. There are 5 boroughs.

Some have only Time Warner. Some have only RCN. Some only have Verizon as a choice.

Only the lucky few have more than one option.

There's even limited choice based on the building you live in.

Ask any person who lives in NYC and they can tell you that.

So kindly STFU about topics you are clueless about.

 

[Lee978]

I'm the moron yet you're the one touting foreign government provided ISPs when they contradict the very principles your vehemently trying trying to defend in this thread. Moreover, every claim I've made in this thread is sourced unlike yourself who just spouts out diarrhea with zero evidence to back it up.

 

[Hog-train]

I'm the moron yet you're the one touting foreign government provided ISPs when they contradict the very principles your vehemently trying trying to defend in this thread. Moreover, every claim I've made in this thread is sourced unlike yourself who just spouts out diarrhea with zero evidence to back it up.

Your "source" is a speedtest.net page that doesn't prove anything.

From that you came to the false conclusion that NYC residents usually have more than one Internet provider.

Which you are dead wrong on and any person in New York can tell you that as well.

Secondly, we were previously talking about how other countries have better internet, faster internet for less money than the US.

That's a fact. They have faster speeds at cheaper prices. And we're not only talking about Korea.

According to this list, the US ranks 26th in the world behind Singapore, S. Korea, Japan, Monaco, Romania, Sweden, Netherlands, Macau, Lithuania, Denmark, Latvia, and a bunch of other countries.

http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

 

[spamking]

Your responses are either telling him he's right or not understanding what he's saying.

Or you (gasp) don't understand my responses.

 

[Lee978]

To the contrary my link from speedtest shows that NYC has a "myriad" of ISPs which coincides nicely with the FCC data i posted which also shows that 96% of households have at minimum 2 ISPs who provide broadband speeds.

Furthermore, speed isn't the only measuring stick of the "best" internet. What good is all that speed if content is being constantly blocked and monitored? Moreover the mere fact that a country like S. Korea blocks content goes against net neutrality basic foundations. Of course this fact doesnt bother you because all you care about is confirming your own biases.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Or you (gasp) don't understand my responses.

I guess your brilliance will forever remain a mystery.

 

[spamking]

I guess your brilliance will forever remain a mystery.

And the depths of your knowledge will forever know no bounds . . .

 

[Hog-train]

To the contrary my link from speedtest shows that NYC has a "myriad" of ISPs which coincides nicely with the FCC data i posted which also shows that 96% of households have at minimum 2 ISPs who provide broadband speeds.

NYC has a myriad of ISP's but the vast majority of the residents only have one option for different neighborhoods.

It's essentially small regional monopolies everywhere. You don't have a choice.

So your speedtest link means jack shit. You're wrong on this issue.

Furthermore, speed isn't the only measuring stick of the "best" internet. What good is all that speed if content is being constantly blocked and monitored? Moreover the mere fact that a country like S. Korea blocks content goes against net neutrality basic foundations. Of course this fact doesnt bother you because all you care about is confirming your own biases.

Yes I agree speed isn't the only measuring stick.

And Korea is a conservative society that tries to censor things like porn.

But I am Korean-American and have visited Korea. It's nothing like that in real life.

There are PC rooms on every single street and people routinely bypass censorship by using VPN's. I know from personal experience. Any censorship is just a token effort. It doesn't affect the average citizen at all.

Secondly, we are not just talking about Korea. How about EVERY OTHER country with better internet?

 

[James Keith]

You're a f-ing moron who doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

I lived here all my life. Do you live here?

Different PARTS of NYC have different Cable options. There are 5 boroughs.

Some have only Time Warner. Some have only RCN. Some only have Verizon as a choice.

Only the lucky few have more than one option.

There's even limited choice based on the building you live in.

Ask any person who lives in NYC and they can tell you that.

So kindly STFU about topics you are clueless about.

So I take it your internet is many times more expensive than elsewhere where we have competition, and the firms are of course many times more profitable? Because your implication seems to be that unlike in our markets where competition will prevent evil ISP behavior, no such competition exists in yours, hence the providers can behave with impunity.

Btw ATT U-Verse is a competitor and uses fiber optics. If you don't have than in your area then you almost certainly have DSL which is over the phone lines.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Secondly, we are not just talking about Korea. How about EVERY OTHER country with better internet?

Also, what the heck does one thing have to do with the other? They have better internet service but a relatively oppressive gov't; therefore ... we shouldn't improve our internet service?

 

[Hog-train]

So I take it your internet is many times more expensive than elsewhere where we have competition, and the firms are of course many times more profitable? Because your implication seems to be that unlike in our markets where competition will prevent evil ISP behavior, no such competition exists in yours, hence the providers can behave with impunity.

Btw ATT U-Verse is a competitor and uses fiber optics. If you don't have than in your area then you almost certainly have DSL which is over the phone lines.

What are you talking about?

Most of the country only has one broadband cable option. Everybody's in the same boat.

There is some competition from DSL- but that's inferior and slower.

I was replying to Lee who was trying to claim NYC residents have multiple options- but that's not true. Most residents only have one option.

Also, what the heck does one thing have to do with the other? They have better internet service but a relatively oppressive gov't; therefore ... we shouldn't improve our internet service?

I'm replying to Lee who claimed price controls by the government will destroy the internet. I replied that S. Korea did exactly that- institute price controls and last mile unbundling. and this resulted in increased competition and lower prices/better service for consumers.

 

[James Keith]

What are you talking about?

Most of the country only has one broadband cable option. Everybody's in the same boat.

There is some competition from DSL- but that's inferior and slower.

I was replying to Lee who was trying to claim NYC residents have multiple options- but that's not true. Most residents only have one option.

Cable is limited because historically they had local agreements with govts that restricted competition. If you don't like the monopoly that resulted from govt-based monopoly-protection, then fix the govt.

I use DSL. It's cheaper and more reliable where I am. Cable has it's disadvantages. Anyway this is like claiming that Ford doesn't compete with Toyota because Fords are inferior.

 

[Hog-train]

Cable is limited because historically they had local agreements with govts that restricted competition. If you don't like the monopoly that resulted from govt-based monopoly-protection, then fix the govt.

I use DSL. It's cheaper and more reliable where I am. Cable has it's disadvantages. Anyway this is like claiming that Ford doesn't compete with Toyota because Fords are inferior.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. I'm saying there is not that much competition among internet service providers.

 

[second sight]

a few leaks are coming out as to what is actually in the new regulations, it looks like search engines like google are going to start filtering their results based on what the deem most trustworthy sites and not allowing what they....the government deems misinformation

who could have guessed that the fairness doctrine would make it's way into the ruling

I heard this on the radio today as far as I know they still haven't released the top secret regulations

but hey if nobodies read them it much easier to keep putting shit in it

 

[ChainFlow]

a few leaks are coming out as to what is actually in the new regulations, it looks like search engines like google are going to start filtering their results based on what the deem most trustworthy sites and not allowing what they....the government deems misinformation

who could have guessed that the fairness doctrine would make it's way into the ruling

I heard this on the radio today as far as I know they still haven't released the top secret regulations

but hey if nobodies read them it much easier to keep putting shit in it

That explains so much.

Also, will everyone spouting the "top secret 300 pages of regulation" eat their words when the 2 obstructionist commissioners finally submit their edits and allow the whole thing to be published to the public?

Or will you just pretend nothing ever happened?

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

NO I just hate when a person comes in and picks one thing from a country that they might do better and or faster than the US and try to say we are sorry or unacceptable because of it. Especially without even looking into why that might be?

So a country poured a shit ton of money into ONE thing and is helped out by its population basically all living in one city.

S. Korea couldn't even give their people decent tap water to drink until recently, but low and behold they can get their porn faster than us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Face it.

Murka isnt the greatest at everything like they tell you.

 

[second sight]

That explains so much.

Also, will everyone spouting the "top secret 300 pages of regulation" eat their words when the 2 obstructionist commissioners finally submit their edits and allow the whole thing to be published to the public?

Or will you just pretend nothing ever happened?

the head of the fcc refused to attend congressional hearings and nobody outside the fcc (and obviously obamas administration and whoever help write the bullshit) was allowed to read the regulations so I as far as I can tell only the people carry their water will be eating any words

 

[second sight]

but if this doesn't have regulations censoring content as well as other parts of the fairness doctrine in it I'll gladly eat my words

you guys that think this was a preserving the internet or even more laughable improving the internet are some gullible peeps

 

[Lee978]

I'm not disagreeing with you here. I'm saying there is not that much competition among internet service providers.

So which is it, is the US plagues by regional monopolies or do we just need more competition? I completely agree with the latter point however that contradicts your initial assertion.

Also, what the heck does one thing have to do with the other? They have better internet service but a relatively oppressive gov't; therefore ... we shouldn't improve our internet service?

Actually, its more like they have significantly faster internet but it ranks significantly lower than the US in terms of internet freedom (see the numbers compiled by freedomhouse if you're looking for a source). Now this wouldn't be such a problem is NN proponents weren't so vehemently opposed to any sort of censorship. In fact, the foundation of NN principles is to ensure a free and open internet.

No one disagrees that the US needs better internet service.

 

[Hog-train]

So which is it, is the US plagues by regional monopolies or do we just need more competition? I completely agree with the latter point however that contradicts your initial assertion.

Your statement makes no sense.

Yes- the US is plagued by regional monopolies by the ISP's.

And yes, this leads to less competition and inferior prices and service to us, the consumers.

I don't see the contradiction in that. You're grasping at straws.