Why are Republicans against Net Neutrality?

Dude you're being obtuse. I never denied it I just claimed it wasn't widespread.

You said discrimination or anti-competitive practices wasn't a problem in the industry.

Moreover, I've argued that it isn't even clear that discrimination and anti-competitive practices are a problem in the industry (and I've provided evidence to back this up).

You're changing the goal posts of your argument.

First you say the ISP's are not discriminating (paid prioritization).

I give you examples of when it did occur with sources.

Then you say that is not a widespread problem.

I show you court cases (with the actual court documents) showing the ISP's sued for exactly that right (to have paid prioritization).

So if the ISP's didn't want to discriminate, then why did they sue repeatedly against rules banning it?

Your logic does not make sense.

The whole crux of your argument is "C'mon guys. It's only a few instances of the ISP's abusing their authority. It's not a widespread problem. I trust they'll do the right thing." LOL

Even though they have sued repeatedly to do it and they are probably among the worst, most hated and most unethical companies in America.
 
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You said discrimination or anti-competitive practices wasn't a problem in the industry.



You're changing the goal posts of your argument.

First you say the ISP's are not discriminating (paid prioritization).

I give you examples of when it did occur with sources.

Then you say that is not a widespread problem.

I show you court cases (with the actual court documents) showing the ISP's sued for exactly that right (to have paid prioritization).

So if the ISP's didn't want to discriminate, then why did they sue repeatedly against rules banning it?

Your logic does not make sense.

The whole crux of your argument is "C'mon guys. It's only a few instances of the ISP's abusing their authority. It's not a widespread problem. I trust they'll do the right thing." LOL

Even though they have sued repeatedly to do it and they are probably among the worst, most hated and most unethical companies in America.

He's a moron that's not worth debating dude.

He'd be happier having to remember to pay an ISP another bill. Rather then spending that time and money to play a pick up game of basketball, workout, hunt, fish etc.

That right there should tell you somethings not working right in his head.
 
Still the same idiots defending big business who has brought us shit service at high prices.

So who better than to control everything?? Well let's give the power to the same companies who have given us that shit service at high costs.

The right wing is a Fn joke and their base is even more comical.

Wow, you're completely clueless.
 
Now that the new rules have been released, and they apparently do not give the evil government the power to control the internet, block content, etc... will the anti-Net neutrality posters in this thread have the dignity to come back and admit they were overreacting a bit?
 
will the anti-Net neutrality posters in this thread have the dignity to come back and admit they were overreacting a bit?
LoL. It's 600 pages and only released an hour ago!

I do see lots of use of the word 'lawful'. Like lawful destination, lawful content, and lawful internet. Who in Hollywood will be responsible for determining what is lawful and what is not?

Also - looks like Google Fiber may be able to avoid negotiating for access to line poles:

"Leveling the pole attachment playing field for new entrants that offer solely broadband services also removes barriers to deployment and fosters additional broadband competition."

To be fair though, Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO & now executive chairman), did indeed work awfully hard on Obama's 2008 campaign.
 
FCC releases new Title 2 rules.

Basically three specific rules:

no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization...
..."of lawful content, applications, services, and devices."


Ajit Pai , FCC Commissioner:
Nor could anyone have anticipated the Order’s 49 separate forbearance decisions; its decision to subject interconnection to Title II as a “component” of broadband Internet access service; its decision to amend agency rules regarding mobile broadband; or its adoption of an omnivorous “Internet conduct” standard, the scope of which remains uncertain. oThe FCC cannot rely on President Obama’s YouTube directive to the agency cure these deficiencies.
http://www.fcc.gov/document/pais-legal-summary-president-obamas-plan-regulate-internet
 
LoL. It's 600 pages and only released an hour ago!
I've scrolled through the first fiftish pages and as far as I can tell it's pretty much all just the rationale and justification.
This is what actually matters:
1.Clear,Bright-Line Rules
14.Because the record overwhelmingly supports adopting rules and demonstrates that three specific practices invariably harm the open Internet
 
LoL. It's 600 pages and only released an hour ago

First of all it's 400 pages- not 600- so stop exaggerating. And only 313 pages are the actual order. 87 pages are just comments from the commissioners.

And this is an oft-repeated criticism- "Oh look so many pages!! Too much government regulation!"

But it's a false premise. The original Telecommunications Act of 1996 was also over 300 pages.

This is an amendment to that, so it makes complete sense that it is this length.

A lot of it is legalese to close any loopholes that people will eventually try to use.
 
First of all it's 400 pages- not 600- so stop exaggerating. And only 313 pages are the actual order. 87 pages are just comments from the commissioners.

And this is an oft-repeated criticism- "Oh look so many pages!! Too much government regulation!"

But it's a false premise. The original Telecommunications Act of 1996 was also over 300 pages.

This is an amendment to that, so it makes complete sense that it is this length.

A lot of it is legalese to close any loopholes that people will eventually try to use.
OK there Evelyn Wood, its only 400 pages (of lawful content).
 
OK there Evelyn Wood, its only 400 pages (of lawful content).

Your whole argument against this new set of rules is that it's too many pages of regulation- not the actual content of it.

So you should be honest about how long it is. (and even that's not a valid reason why the new rules are bad)
 
Your whole argument against this new set of rules is that it's too many pages of regulation- not the actual content of it.

So you should be honest about how long it is. (and even that's not a valid reason why the new rules are bad)

the same complaint they had about immigration and health care bills. its too long! whats in it? we dont know?
yes, these things are complicated and a lot of things have to be covered.
i think they would just be happy like this
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It's 8 pages of regulation. Not 400. Not 312.

300 pages of legal reasoning and history. 80 pages of histrionics by Ajit Pai and the other R commissioner - who complained about the 300 page length.
 
OK there Evelyn Wood, its only 400 pages (of lawful content).
Does the typeface hurt your eyes? I'm seriously curious because even a rapid cursory skimming while skipping the footnotes (case references mainly) gets you well past any of the actual regulation and to the background justification really easily.
 
In 2009 McChesney said that “any serious effort to reform the media system would have to necessarily be part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself … to remove brick by brick the capitalist system itself, rebuilding the entire society on socialist principles.” Deriding advertising as “the voice of capital,” he wrote: “We need to do whatever we can to limit capitalist propaganda, regulate it, minimize it, and perhaps even eliminate it.”

“Only government can implement policies and subsidies to provide an institutional framework for quality journalism,” McChesney and John Nichols wrote in March 2009. Asserting that “the media system produces vastly less of quality than it would if corporate and commercial pressures were lessened,” McChesney emphasized that his “radical” goal of developing a “post-corporate” media under “public control” was a matter of considerable “urgency.”

Proclaiming that “the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists,” McChesney in 2009 told the website SocialistProject that “unless you make significant changes in the media, it will be vastly more difficult to have a revolution.” This was “one of the core issues,” he explained, “that any successful Left project needs to integrate into its strategic program.” A campaign “to democratize the media system so that people without property can play a much larger role in the media and in political life,” McChesney added, would likely result in “a marked shift to the political Left.”

The way to achieve meaningful media reform, said McChesney in 2010, would be to make government the chief benefactor of all media and high-tech infrastructure. Toward that end, he advocated a $35 billion annual “public works” program for the press that would include, among other reforms: a “News AmeriCorps” for out-of-work journalists; a “Citizenship News Voucher” to funnel taxpayer funds to struggling media entities; massive subsidies for journalism schools; corporate welfare for newspapers; and government control over the press and its infrastructure. He also called for the creation of a “Public Media Trust Fund,” which would raise money to fund government-run media by imposing steep taxes on Internet connections, mobile phones, and all manner of electronic devices.

For years, McChesney has been a leading advocate of Net Neutrality—a concept whose objective, as pro-free-market policy analyst Phil Kerpen puts it, is “to empower the federal government to ration and apportion Internet bandwidth as it sees fit, and to thereby control the Internet’s content.” For a more comprehensive definition and discussion of Net Neutrality, click here.

“At the moment,” said McChesney in August 2009, “the battle over [N]etwork [N]eutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control.”

The Barack Obama administration, meanwhile, was highly receptive to McChesney's ideas on media reform and Net Neutrality. In 2010, Obama's Federal Trade Commission (FTC) held a workshop series titled “How Will Journalism Survive the Internet Age?” Further, the FTC released Potential Policy Recommendations to Support the Reinvention of Journalism, a 47-page discussion draft that reproduced a number of McChesney's proposals almost verbatim. McChesney himself was invited to deliver a major address at an FTC event on these issues.

McChesney's efforts on behalf of Net Neutrality were buttressed by immense financial support from left-wing charitable foundations. Most notably, between 2000 and 2013 George Soros's Open Society Institute and the Ford Foundation spearheaded an alliance of philanthropies that gave more than $196 million to pro-Net Neutrality groups like Free Press and the Center for American Progress. These efforts and expenditures eventually paid dividends in February 2015, when the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) ruled in favor of implementing Net Neutrality. In the aftermath of that FCC decision, John Fund wrote that “[d]espite his astonishingly radical goals, McChesney’s Free Press group was able to leverage foundation cash and academic 'research' into an influential force behind [N]et [N]eutrality.” For example, Fund noted:

“Julius Genachowski, President Obama’s first FCC chairman, hired Free Press’s Jen Howard as his press secretary. The FCC’s chief diversity officer, Mark Lloyd, has co-authored a Free Press report demanding regulation of political talk radio. The FCC’s National Broadband Plan cited research from Free Press and other left-wing groups backing [N]et [N]eutrality more than 50 times.”


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2227
 
At what point does chicken little wonder whether the sky really is falling?
 
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