Why are people so quick do disbelieve Nate Diaz?

[45ACP]

I'm pretty sure he read that in another post. I swear I read the same thing in another thread. If it was TS that said it o well I'm an idiot.

TS probably stole it from Kenny Florian.

 

[Human Bass]

It will be interesting to see How Conor does when he doesn't have the longer reach and Nate wont have to fear takedowns.

 

[barillas]

Conor will confound Diaz with angles, I can clearly see Diaz eating that uppercut-left-straight combo all day.

 

[barillas]

I don't, I think it's a dangerous fight for Conor. Diaz is certainly the better submission artist.

Not for nothing but 1 thing no one can deny is that Diaz has nothing to lose and capable of trying any crazy stunt.

 

[The Hound]

Conor will confound Diaz with angles, I can clearly see Diaz eating that uppercut-left-straight combo all day.

The only time we've seen McGregor really be successful with uppercuts was vs Marcus Brimage, a tiny dude who was overextending and putting every thing in each punch.

I don't see how he can catch Nate with an uppercut. That's a close range punch.

 

[Drunk Bum]

The people who count out Nate are idiots. Conor fans need to take his nuts from their mouths and look at the big picture of this fight.

Personally I think Nate gets the upset, I can't wait. Regardless it's gonna be an epic fight.

 

[helltoupee]

I'd have loved this fight if Nate had been in a camp preparing for someone. I don't get how many people don't seem to understand that "in shape" and "in fight shape" are two different things. Nate's probably just been rolling in the gym rather than training hard and that's why the catch-weight is so high. He'll probably still have to cut some to get to 170.

If they had picked the guy who was most prepared, they would have gone with Cerrone since he just finished a camp, fought half a round with extremely little damage taken and said he'd cut to LW for McGregor. Either way that fight would have had little room for excuses. This one has built-in excuses both ways. If Conor wins, half the threads will be about >10-days notice Diaz". Should Conor lose, his legion of nuthuggers will be like "Conor moved up two weight classes to fight Diaz, he'd still win at LW". lol
I honestly think the UFC just looked at Nate as the biggest name available who was the least prepared to pull an upset over their golden child.

Have to agree with this. The UFC has built in an excuse should Diaz pull off the upset, although it's highly doubtful. Doesn't matter how good of general conditioning a fighter remains in throughout the year - fight shape is completely different from that. No matter who you are fighting, a full fight camp is always better than a 10 day fight camp.

And while I see Diaz getting his ass handed to him in this fight, I also thought Nick was tailor made to get blasted by Anderson Silva with his slow, plodding flat footedness - which Nick completely switched up and basically became a counter puncher that night, hence the boring fight but at least Nick was able to hang. With that said, I think the Diaz brothers are smarter than people give them credit for. I'm holding on to the hope that the Diaz camp is drilling rudimentary takedowns and comes out and surprises everyone. IMO, Diaz has the best shot of winning on the ground with a sub. High volume low power punches are not going to win him this fight.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Nate has a lot of intangibles that could make this fight very, very interesting and when you look at how well he did against a speedy boxer like MJ it makes me very interested in how this fight will play out. If Conor's smart he'll work his leg kicks HARD early and remain elusive as all hell. The real question I have for this one is if Nate can take Conor down. His takedowns have never been all that hot, but he should be the larger man in this fight and is without question the more accomplished grappler. That guillotine of his could very easily catch McG in a scramble.

This is all contingent on Nate not coming in looking like hell a la his fight with RDA.

 

[barillas]

The only time we've seen McGregor really be successful with uppercuts was vs Marcus Brimage, a tiny dude who was overextending and putting every thing in each punch.

I don't see how he can catch Nate with an uppercut. That's a close range punch.

That's what I predicted, the KO will be similar to the Brimage one. Diaz is just too stationary, has poor footwork.

 

[NILLI]

10 days notice end of story.

 

[The Hound]

That's what I predicted, the KO will be similar to the Brimage one. Diaz is just too stationary, has poor footwork.

Marcus was a shorter fighter who overextended and had to chase Conor down, and got picked apart with counters.

Nate is a longer fighter who never overcommits to punches, he just walks you down and picks you apart from the distance.

How would Nate ever end up in that position? That works great for a shorter fighter who is ducking down, not so much for a guy like Nate.

I don't see how Conor can counter a guy like Nate. He's going to have to pressure him to get the win.

 

[barillas]

Marcus was a shorter fighter who overextended and had to chase Conor down, and got picked apart with counters.

Nate is a longer fighter who never overcommits to punches, he just walks you down and picks you apart from the distance.

How would Nate ever end up in that position? That works great for a shorter fighter who is ducking down, not so much for a guy like Nate.

I don't see how Conor can counter a guy like Nate. He's going to have to pressure him to get the win.

I see Nate eating shots from all angles, he will be lost on the octagon most likely. Who knows, it's just my humble pick.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Have to agree with this. The UFC has built in an excuse should Diaz pull off the upset, although it's highly doubtful. Doesn't matter how good of general conditioning a fighter remains in throughout the year - fight shape is completely different from that. No matter who you are fighting, a full fight camp is always better than a 10 day fight camp.

And while I see Diaz getting his ass handed to him in this fight, I also thought Nick was tailor made to get blasted by Anderson Silva with his slow, plodding flat footedness - which Nick completely switched up and basically became a counter puncher that night, hence the boring fight but at least Nick was able to hang. With that said, I think the Diaz brothers are smarter than people give them credit for. I'm holding on to the hope that the Diaz camp is drilling rudimentary takedowns and comes out and surprises everyone. IMO, Diaz has the best shot of winning on the ground with a sub. High volume low power punches are not going to win him this fight.

I don't think the question is whether or not Diaz can take him down, I think he can. But I think the real question is whether he will even try to. A lot of fighters want to beat Conor at his own game, ie standup. Just look at what RDA was saying, that he would beat Conor in K1 rules. If Diaz makes this a standup fight he loses, if he wants to take him down and look for submissions I think he will win. That being said, I think Nate will try to make it a stand up fight..

 

[BryanTheFighter]

I find this match incredibly interesting in a technichal way, i believe that Nate could most possibly give Conor some trouble for his money.

First, Nate has good boxing, Mcgregor has great hands, even better than nate's, but i believe that his fighting styles could collapse and favor nate in the majority of exchanges.

Conor Mcgregor gives up 5 centimeters in reach to Nate, and Conor has a wide, tall stance. Those factors could only help those super quick popping straight punches that Nate loves to use.

Now for the part that interests me the most, If conor expects to come in with a Counter gameplan, in order to land that left bomb, he might have a realy hard night.

Unlike past conor opponents, Nate will not have to close too much distance in order to hit him, add that to the fact that i have never seen Nate diaz fully commit to the first or second punch in his combinations, he would never lunge in with his head first at anyone. Nate's head movement and slipping is decent, and his head is always out center line when he throws punches.

Plus, Nate likes to throw feints, wich could make that left hand miss a lot more than it is used to.

Conor is certainly more than capable of winning, i preddict he could have a lot of success with his snap kicks and leg kicks. But, he can't rely only on his counter game to win this one.

He might have to bully and stalk a taller and stronger nate diaz, wich does not sound like such an easy task, as most people are describing it to be.

*This thread is considering that Nate Diaz is in at least, a decent shape.

Here is why people won't put their betting money on Nate,


Because we get "fill-in Nate", with an lack of preparation.

Nate is taking a huge risk by agreeing to fight someone as good as Conor with absolutely no training camp.

Camps are important my friend ! It is all about fine-tuning conditioning & tactics, as well as building the muscle memory to react to the specific tendencies of your opponent. So Nate will likely be at a much worse all-around sharper since has not been training for a fight of some sort.

It’s an compelling contrast of striking styles between them. Both with southpaw stance. But Conor has the same advantage here in this fight that he has over everybody and his ability to find that shot that puts people away and execute them. McGregor is to elusive because of the angles he hits, and his proper sense of distance, Conor will run circles around Nate in the direction of Nates choosing, and winning the footwork battle generally means you’re winning the fight.

Nate may become a little predictable with his unsharp footwork, volume punching and stalking boxing for Conor, also because of his slower, and steady, punch-heavy attack and no real threat of takedown shots. It’s undeniable, however, that Conor is an infinitely more polished & smoother striker than Nate. Nate is at a major disadvantage when it comes to fight IQ and implementing game plans. Conor is much more precise with his movement and footwork. Conor is more mobile and always far more aware of where he is in the space of the cage. If Nate tries to pressure him, it will be difficult to pin him against the fence.

Ok, Nate has the reach advantage We can assume that Nate will carry his weight a little bit better in 170, since he has competed at the highest levels inside the UFC at 170, despite having most of his success at 155, Nate is also one of the biggest 155-pounders in the UFC.

 

[El Fernas]

Dislike of Diaz´s, and because he hasnt been looking that good recently (3-3 on last 6).

 

[helltoupee]

I don't think the question is whether or not Diaz can take him down, I think he can. But I think the real question is whether he will even try to. A lot of fighters want to beat Conor at his own game, ie standup. Just look at what RDA was saying, that he would beat Conor in K1 rules. If Diaz makes this a standup fight he loses, if he wants to take him down and look for submissions I think he will win. That being said, I think Nate will try to make it a stand up fight..

Unfortunately I agree with you.

 

[IcemanFan75]

Conor has some of the best pressure in the game. He always takes the center of the cage and brings the fight to his opponents. People act like he fights like Machida or something. He has excellent counter striking, but he definitely doesn't rely on it. He marches straight across the cage and immediately make his opponent fight his fight. He doesn't dance around or stand in front of people waiting for them to throw so he can counter. He throws counters when they present themselves, but he stays busy when they don't and attacks.

 

[Steve08]

Diaz could obviously submit him, but I doubt he can close enough to grapple for as long as he'd need to do that.

The tears as Conor tapped to a Diaz kneebar... one can dream.

 

[lockjaw211]

I posted a comment at this thread that inspired me to create this thread, hahaha

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/n...eating-mcgregor.3179613/page-3#post-113824909

hahaha it was you. i knew i read that before. hahaha my bad.

 

[djacobox372]

Conor fans are going to get a lesson in boxing. If conor hold back and waits to counter, like he has been doing, he'll get busted up due to nate height/reach.

A tall rangey fighter with a good jab is a nightmare matchup for a shorter counterpuncher.