Social Why are evangelicals against sex ed?

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Please tell me you don't believe this.

If you did, I would feel legitimately sorry for you. That is no way to live.

Keeping sex within marriage, avoiding sexual perversion, and avoiding porn are a very healthy way to live.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I'll humor you that much: the couple getting married give their spouse consent before quite a bunch of witnesses, one of whom is God. It's not possible to rape a consenting partner - therefore "marital rape" is an oxymoron and to not understand that is to have no idea of how logic works.

Logic works like this. You entered into matrimony and your spouse has the expectation of intimacy. If at some point they revoke that consent then you can divorce that person but you don't have the right to force them. That's not the way to treat someone you love.

 

[Teppodama]

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Logic works like this. You entered into matrimony and your spouse has the expectation of intimacy. If at some point they revoke that consent then you can divorce that person but you don't have the right to force them. That's not the way to treat someone you love.

Well said.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

It's never right to force yourself on someone but if your spouse "never" wants to be intimate I do think that is valid grounds for divorce.

he didn't say never, he said at all. Like if a women wants to say no to sex when the man wants it, that in his mind is wrong and that woman should not consider being married if she occasionally wants to say no to her partner.

i.e. in an extermist marriage, if the woman says "nah im tired as shit, going to bed" the man will say it is gods will you give yourself to me" and force her to have sex with him and she will lay there like a dead fish out of fear of fiery hell. oh and even if they are struggling to make ends meet and already have 4 kids it is against his religion to pull out

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Yep. We went over this specific point some time prior to entering the marriage covenant. She is well aware that this is a Christian marriage, despite her not being one.


What?


I will, of course, make sure that when my daughter is to be married, she fully understands the responsibilities she will be taking on. I will also make sure I won't have a son-in-law who mistreats my daughter. That red dot around his chest is simply my way of saying 'hello'.

So if your daughter ever refused sex he would be justified in divorcing her, yeah?

 

[curryjunkie]

for all its embarressing brexit bullshit, the UK looks at the religous nuts in the states and thinks...what century is it again?

 

[Falsedawn]

Well I hope that at least some of the folks here who are against sex ed realize they hate abortion more and dont actively try and suppress sex ed policy in school.

Come on, you know better than that lol.

 

[panamaican]

Cliffs on that:
1) Marriage vow includes consent. So married folks have the permission to have sex with each other. To revoke that consent is to break the contract and thus end the marriage.
2) I got attacked with reductio ad absurdum, stating that I'd force my wife to have sex with me despite her not wanting to.
3) I noted that while that would be my right, I happen to love my wife and do not think demanding my right to have her in a situation she isn't into it is not wise, I would rather choose to not exercise that right. That does not mean that I don't have it.
4) My opponents will not understand that I use discernment, and so decided that I was a "wife rapist" because she had given consent she could not take back and stay married.
5) I'm still happily married.

Make of it what you will.

I'll make of it that you believe that a man can simply force sex on his wife for saying no because marriage vows are considered permanent irrevocable consent.

However, you, in your munificence don't force her, not because it's wrong, but because you've decided that the act of forcing sex on that woman isn't worth the headache of her bitching about it later.

I'm not sure that you're being mis-characterized here.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I think this is more of an issue of the Christian dating pool having already been sexually corrupted by the world. Even if a young person abstains from sex they are still bombarded with such sexual content and imagery that I can imagine it warps ones view of what sex is and what it's supposed to be before they ever even have it.

Sexual frustration within marriages is nothing new and something I imagine has gone on since antiquity. However only relatively recently has sexually gratification within a marriage been so important, and the bar for sexual contentment been set so high, that it actually ends so many marriages.

I don't know if the solution is to teach Christians how to be sexual stallions and give their partners better and greater orgasms but rather teach them to keep a proper perspective on what sex is and what it's for. I believe we're supposed to enjoy sex as Christians but I'm not sure if we should be indulging in such lust that our Christian women, even our wives, should be orgasming so hard they begin contorting their faces and growling like demons lol. Maybe that's not a good thing.

I actually mostly agree with this one. People might have different ideas of what sex is really for but educating your children can keep them from being corrupted or taken advantage of. Sex by itself is empty in a marriage without love but you should try to get your partner moaning and trembling. It doesn't make them "demonic" sounds.

 

[franklinstower]

I actually mostly agree with this one. People might have different ideas of what sex is really for but educating your children can keep them from being corrupted or taken advantage of. Sex by itself is empty in a marriage without love but you should try to get your partner moaning and trembling. It doesn't make them "demonic" sounds.

Demonic sounds is quite a stretch that is for sure. The sentiment underneath it -- that intense sexual pleasure is bad is the culprit and lies behind most of the pain I have seen in Christian marriages. Mind you I have never heard any worry about demonic sounds but plenty of people have not taken the time to figure out what works for the woman to reach orgasm due to thinking there is something wrong with seeking that out or even talking about it.

Seeing as how around 70% of women cannot reach orgasm through penetration (due to the position of the clitorous in proximity to the vaginal canal) there are a ton of Christian women who have unsatisfying sexual lives.

Also the preconception that there is only one ideal way to achieve sexual satisfaction leads to other problems for certain couples.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Trolling as a mod is low. Can't put you on the ignore list as another useless bubber despite considering you one.

Laughing at you isn't trolling. That's when you don't even take what you're saying seriously and are just trying to elicit a response.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

he didn't say never, he said at all. Like if a women wants to say no to sex when the man wants it, that in his mind is wrong and that woman should not consider being married if she occasionally wants to say no to her partner.

i.e. in an extermist marriage, if the woman says "nah im tired as shit, going to bed" the man will say it is gods will you give yourself to me" and force her to have sex with him and she will lay there like a dead fish out of fear of fiery hell. oh and even if they are struggling to make ends meet and already have 4 kids it is against his religion to pull out

I think it's pretty silly to argue your spouse must make themselves available at your every whim. When whining, begging, and cajoling don't work then man up and go rub one out. It's a pretty childish excuse to claim your marital vows are broken when your wife has a "headache".

 

[LangfordBarrow]

So if your daughter ever refused sex he would be justified in divorcing her, yeah?

It seems he believes he can force her to submit without any moral repercussions.

 

[7437]

Cliffs on that:
1) Marriage vow includes consent. So married folks have the permission to have sex with each other. To revoke that consent is to break the contract and thus end the marriage.
2) I got attacked with reductio ad absurdum, stating that I'd force my wife to have sex with me despite her not wanting to.
3) I noted that while that would be my right, I happen to love my wife and do not think demanding my right to have her in a situation she isn't into it is not wise, I would rather choose to not exercise that right. That does not mean that I don't have it.
4) My opponents will not understand that I use discernment, and so decided that I was a "wife rapist" because she had given consent she could not take back and stay married.
5) I'm still happily married.

Make of it what you will.

Where in the bible is any of that? Cause it sure as hell isnt in the law.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Just imagine how awful this country would be if evangelicals ruled over it.

Everything would absolutely Fn suck. Nothing would be fun and everything would be banned. Music, movies, tv, dancing, fun of any nature would be unacceptable.

 

[MikeMcMann]

They want as many uneducated people as possible to fall for their phony religion.

They also want numbers.

Church want followers and the more the merrier and they know the best way to control and build a population for the church is by keeping them pregnant.

More numbers = more money = more power.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Keeping sex within marriage, avoiding sexual perversion, and avoiding porn are a very healthy way to live.

Sure

Having sex outside marriage, engaging in consensual sexual "perversions", and enjoying porn can also be very healthy ways to live.

Agree?

 

[spamking]

Just imagine how awful this country would be if evangelicals ruled over it.

Everything would absolutely Fn suck. Nothing would be fun and everything would be banned. Music, movies, tv, dancing, fun of any nature would be unacceptable.

So . . . like Utah?

 

[MikeMcMann]

And I love the "No True Scottsman" fallacy both @Thurisaz and @TheComebackKid have to engage to dismiss the data that shows that as you increase the numbers and concentration of Catholics and Evangelicals in a population the more divorces and babies out of wedlock you get. But of course those were not the good or proper religious people'.



The rest of us however know that the more religious people you get and more importantly the more religious they are, the more hypocrisy and bs and deviants you get. You suppress human urges instead of letting them out in healthy ways and they come out in all sorts of bad ways.

There is no group I would want to avoid leaving my kids with more than Priests. Imagine that. Devoted to GOD and yet the least trustworthy group out there. I honestly think the kids would generally be safer with inmates. Good ole religion!

 

[spamking]

Sure

Having sex outside marriage, engaging in consensual sexual "perversions", and enjoying porn can also be very healthy ways to live.

Agree?

How can enjoying porn be healthy? I mean . . . I'm not saying I never have, but I don't know that I have ever thought it was a healthy part of life or anything.