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Why Americans sucks in rugby?

Bottom line is if you can't take a hit without pads then you're a pussy. Real men don't wear pads to soften a tackle Lmao

Pads aren't there only to soften the blow. They are there to protect your shoulders and head so that you can hit with much more force. Much like boxing gloves aren't intended to go easier on your opponent's chin so much as allow you to hit harder without breaking your hands.

I do enjoy watching a bit of rugby the few times a match is shown on a sports channel over here.
 
Well I mean it's not rocket science is it. In NFL you wear pads, allowing you to fling yourself around with reckless abandon. In rugby you have no protective gear. In NFL there doesn't seem to be many rules about tackling technique either. When I watch it I often see guys literally just flinging their body/helmet roughly in the direction of the ball-carrier, at the knees, helmet to helmet hits etc. Not to mention you can just annihilate some poor guy in mid-air:
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Extremely tough and great to watch, but not exactly safe. In the interests of not crippling our players rugby has rules about how you can tackle. Ie. you have to make an attempt to wrap your arms and can't take a player out in mid-air. Even in rugby league where you could shoulder charge they recently banned it a few years ago. So obviously when you have to mindful of things like that you aren't gonna see big hits as often.
But really...it's just the way the two sports are different. In NFL the players are all spaced out, means guys can get a run up on someone before the smash them. Then you have the nature of the forward pass ie. safeties can just line someone up and blindside them when they are already coming at speed. Plus you get rest after every play, and there is so little actual game time compared to rugby, obviously guys can go all out.
I'd say NFL is more purely violent than rugby, in general the hits tend to be bigger because of everything I just said. Rugby still has big hits, obviously, but in general is more of a grinding, constant physicality with rucks (or hit-ups in rugby league) and way less breaks.
But if someone is able to read the play perfectly and come out of the line you still get hits like this:
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Great post. Ugh, that whiplash in the rugby gif.
 
I saw a sports science show that compared rugby and football hits - basically the football hits with pads were 4x as violent because defenders are able to launch themselves into ball carriers while holding nothing back. No matter how hard they tried the rugby guys would hesitate just enough prior to impact that it lessened the impact significantly

Pads end up helping the guy delivering the blow exponentially more than the guys on the receiving end

And the NFL is doing just about everything they can to eliminate the most violent hitting. The types of hits that were routinely celebrated only 10 yrs ago are now virtually all flagged and/or fined. I expect suspensions to be part of the mix very soon.
 
And the NFL is doing just about everything they can to eliminate the most violent hitting. The types of hits that were routinely celebrated only 10 yrs ago are now virtually all flagged and/or fined. I expect suspensions to be part of the mix very soon.

Lol I do miss the ESPN segment JACKED UP showing the top 10 hits of the day until I remember they were basically celebrating concussions.
 
Lol I do miss the ESPN segment JACKED UP showing the top 10 hits of the day until I remember they were basically celebrating concussions.

The NFL caught a lot of heat for putting up clips of guys getting jacked up at the same time they were talking about "protecting players". Not a great idea to market injuries when you are getting sued over player safety.

If you look at some of Ray lewis' big hits, they are still legit in that he just plows guys with his shoulder. The big hit that I remember from my youth was Ronnie Lott hitting Icky Woods in the hole in SBXXIII. Completely changed the game. In fact i dont' think Icky Woods was ever the same. It was a clean shoulder into the chest.

 
The NFL caught a lot of heat for putting up clips of guys getting jacked up at the same time they were talking about "protecting players". Not a great idea to market injuries when you are getting sued over player safety.

If you look at some of Ray lewis' big hits, they are still legit in that he just plows guys with his shoulder. The big hit that I remember from my youth was Ronnie Lott hitting Icky Woods in the hole in SBXXIII. Completely changed the game. In fact i dont' think Icky Woods was ever the same. It was a clean shoulder into the chest.



Ronnie Lott was a bad MFer.

Everyone around here always talks about B Dawks hits (and they should he was a beast) but the best lb4lb hitter I ever was the SS Dawk started his career with Tim Hauck.

He absolutely destroyed Mike Alstott in one game. He wasn't the best player but the guy could hit.
 
Ronnie Lott was a bad MFer.

Everyone around here always talks about B Dawks hits (and they should he was a beast) but the best lb4lb hitter I ever was the SS Dawk started his career with Tim Hauck.

He absolutely destroyed Mike Alstott in one game. He wasn't the best player but the guy could hit.

Dawkins was a terror.
 
Lott and Romanowski on that 49ers team... just murderous hits all day long.
 
When I used to be really into NFL I loved watching these top 10 most feared tacklers, I loved John Lynch's one:

 
b/c nobody cares about it here

we dominate literally everything we do care about

It's why our women's soccer team is much better than the Men's, the women have virtually no other pro sport avenues to make money in unless they're tall enough for the WNBA

Why would a great athlete go to Rugby, which has practically zero amateur background here, when they can make millions as a fucking longsnapper in the NFL?
 
Whats the main reason in your opinion, that cause Rugby to be not so popular despite similarity with American Football?

Also I laugh when people saying "but but US are world champion in American Football"

Yes yes you are world champions...because you are the only one playing it lawl

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You're not very smart, are you? I mean rugby is a one off, who cares, isn't this nice for us kinda pursuit here. I know people who've played and I scrimmaged once myself but the people participating the most seriously are athletic cast offs. Honestly this is a stupid opinion for an MMA board when MMA is in the same boat.
 
Over in New Zealand they still have a segment like what that JACKED UP thing sounds like, it's called Smashed 'Em Bro:




Though some of the hits aren't that bad, it's often more of a funny thing.
 
Because its not a popular or lucrative sport whatsoever so it doesnt attract our best athletes.

America's finest athletes are virtually exclusively in the NFL and the NBA.

Most of your NBA athletes would be fucking awful at rugby anyways
 
Everyone's given the obvious answer that top talent goes to other sports in the US. Even if that was the case, with 350 million people in the country and strong school and uni level football, our NFL rejects would be more than athletic enough to field great teams - and why not when you can get paid a couple hundred grand a year easily if you are good?

The real answer is most positions in rugby require enough on the fly thinking, game awareness and diverse skills that it takes many years to develop (with a few exceptions). Potential players in the US don't have access to much of a competitive club scene to develop that experience.

Gridiron with no pads.

That is painful to watch. Having played both codes, you can get away with the highlight reel style facemask to facemasks hits in gridiron, but tackling the same way in rugby will shorten your career and your good years with your brain.
 
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