Whose mistake? Jon or his "nutrition" ppl?

[mudrubble]

Let's assume that lots of MMA fighters are on PEDs. Let's assume Jon is only one of these fighters and is part of a majority or at least a large number of fighters who, by and large, are passing their tests.

1 - Do you think this is more a scenario where whoever is running Jon's drug program was in full possession of all the facts of Jon's usage and did not calculate correctly in order to hide or mask it, exposing Jon to USADA and the media and losing him 10-20 MILLION dollars over the next two years?

Or

2 - Do you think that Jon neglected to give full disclosure to whoever is running his drug program (he forgot or neglected some dates and drugs involved and they didn't know they had to cover him for that), in which case it's Jon's error, not the error of whoever was supposed to be administering his drug program?

I think it's fair to assume Jon is not running, supervising and administering his own drug program. I'm assuming he must be relying on someone. I'm assuming most pro fighters who are on such a program have someone who is charge of covering up their tracks. I'm also aware that a fighter is the one who is ULTIMATELY responsible for what's in his/her body.

But I'm not talking about ultimate accountability here. I'm more asking, do you think his ppl were supposed to cover this and failed or do you think he didn't give his team the info they needed to help him pass his test?

Yes, this is pure speculation at this point, I know.

 

[the can]

no mistake. pure intention to cheat.

 

[CernRed]

Both scenarios imply that Jon has a large drug program whereby people actively manage his steroids intake?

the fuck? I vote neither.

 

[Roca]

Holy fuck that's a lot of assumptions man what's even the point

 

[MMA since 1993]

I believe him yo, i dont know why but i do.

 

[neil_totally]

if he's legit taking steroids or straight up PED's, it's his mistake.

if he got a tainted supplement without knowing it, it's whoever deals with his supplements' fault. He hired them, so that makes it his mistake too.

 

[mudrubble]

Holy fuck that's a lot of assumptions man what's even the point

True, but c'mon, I think these are fair assumptions. That top athletes in every sport dope at a large percentage. That they are not their own doctors and don't assure themselves of how they'll do in their bloodwork but have some go to ppl who advise or administer their drug program.

From the documentaries I've seen these are fair and basic assumptions that are usually true. I mean, they're not far fetched assumptions.

This is professional sports, right? If the guy next to you might be cheating you might be wise to might be cheating yourself.

I'm not saying it's ok, good, bad or otherwise. I'm simply saying is is as much a fact of life as sun and rain. Athletes dope, especially at the highest levels of sport.

The real question is "should Jon be hanging one of his team members off a balcony for not doing their job or do you think he's so careless he made it impossible for them to do their job of hiding his usage?"

 

[WallyBear]

Dude, I was one of the Jones supporters on this page but come on, he is responsible for what he puts in his body.

 

[mudrubble]

if he's legit taking steroids or straight up PED's, it's his mistake.

if he got a tainted supplement without knowing it, it's whoever deals with his supplements' fault. He hired them, so that makes it his mistake too.

If he and a bunch of athletes are taking these and they hire ppl and pay them specifically to have them pass their tests, I'd think Jon would want to beat a man's ass to the tune of 10-20 million dollars right now though.

Just talking real life, not so much the moral philosophy of it, but just "what was intended vs what happened?"

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I believe him yo, i dont know why but i do.

I think it's because you're gullible.

 

[Money509]

I have a feeling its that new new ZIA strength coach, had no problems before he hired his ass. I could be wrong though

 

[mudrubble]

Dude, I was one of the Jones supporters on this page but come on, he is responsible for what he puts in his body.

True, I'm not talking ulitmate responsibility here. But you are correct on that front.

I'm just asking a different question - do you think he was relying on someone who dropped the ball or didn't' do their job well?

But I'm NOT asking if anyone is responsible for him DOING drugs. Just responsible for his PASSING TESTS.

I recognize the decision to TAKE the drugs is on Jon. But the science of PASSING TESTS might be someone else's responsibility on his team, as far as what they're paid to do. Not morally, mind you. Just in terms of doing their job.

 

[Sampsonsimpson]

 

[mudrubble]

Basically, I'm wondering if Jon is locked in a room with someone on his team who assured him he would pass, and is trying his best to beat 10 million dollars out of their skin.

Pure speculation but if I paid a man to pass a test that OTHERS ARE PASSING and my man gives me advice that has me fail and lose 10 - 20 mill, I'd want to put a hit out on that man.

Is Jon on the phone with hitmen right now? 20 million dollars lost is enough to kill a town of ppl....

 

[neil_totally]

If he and a bunch of athletes are taking these and they hire ppl and pay them specifically to have them pass their tests, I'd think Jon would want to beat a man's ass to the tune of 10-20 million dollars right now though.

Just talking real life, not so much the moral philosophy of it, but just "what was intended vs what happened?"

He should have hired a better, more trustworthy staffer for that, then.

I mean you're right, if he's paying someone to vet that shit, it should be properly vetted, but obviously (if it turns out this IS the mistake he made) it wasn't, and this is what happens when you hire people who can't do their job.

 

[BostonToughGuy]

To play devil's advocate, I think there's a legitimate chance that Jon fell for the old 'they don't even test for this shit,' and as a result, is now facing an uncertain future. It happens all the time. Even on an Olympic level.

 

[Coconut Joe]

He should have hired a better, more trustworthy staffer for that, then.

I mean you're right, if he's paying someone to vet that shit, it should be properly vetted, but obviously (if it turns out this IS the mistake he made) it wasn't, and this is what happens when you hire people who can't do their job.

 

[mudrubble]

To play devil's advocate, I think there's a legitimate chance that Jon fell for the old 'they don't even test for this shit,' and as a result, is now facing an uncertain future. It happens all the time. Even on an Olympic level.

I don't doubt it but I hope he's getting advice from ppl he's paying who have an economic duty to give him better advice. If he paid them, he can beat them to an inch of their life and they can't be mad. It's 20 million....

If he's just taking free advice he's a f'n moron.