Who's the greatest WMMA fighter of all-time?

[JKS]

Nunes

 

[IIIIIIII]

FYI jokes are supposed to be funny

i laughed (insert shrug emoticon) lol

 

[Ares Black]

i laughed (insert shrug emoticon) lol

Please explain why it's funny. Thanks, I must have missed it.

 

[BigMuffler]

Ken Norton beat Muhammed Ali, but Ali was the greater fighter.
I guess my point is, just because Cyborg lost to Nuñes doesn't mean Nuñes is the overall better fighter.

Sure, in the UFC (only) Nuñes accomplished more than Cyborg did, but again Cyborg has the better overall MMA record, win %, KO %, and overall list of accomplishments .... not to mention the fact Nuñes never gave Cyborg a return match.

As far as my respect for each fighter, I've never seen Cyborg look like a total quitter, as Nuñes looked against Peña. That was a flat-out gutless quit, whereas Cyborg absolutely went out on her shield when she lost to Amanda.

In the end, I personally respect Cyborg as a fighter 100x more than Nuñes — who also panic-wrestled on the second fight with Germaine de Randamie, when Germaine was piecing Amanda up in the clinches.

Cyborg is closer to being Tyson than being Ali lol.

 

[wwkirk]

Nunes beat Cyborg at her own game. Essentially, Cyborg used her typical supper aggressive approach. Well, Nunes' power was too much.

Since then, Cyborg has been fighting much more tactically, different from most of her past fights. From an entertainment perspective I personally like can crushing spectacles, so I don't really like Cyborg 2.0. But I'm positive she wouldn't get KO'd in the first round in a rematch, and could very well win.

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

Laughable.

Cyborg crushed Cat Zingano, who broke Amanda Nunes. Cyborg also beat a better Holly Holm, so they share a common opponent.

At nearly 40 years old, Cyborg just beat Larissa Pacheco, who had beaten Kayla Harrison, in a higher weight division.

I think Pacheco would whip Nunes and already has whipped Harrison.

That's a hell of a win.

Cyborgs record overall is more impressive, and she holds more WMMA wins, KOs, has less losses, and just proved she is still Champion-quality against the best women in MMA, while being three years older than Nuñez.

Pacheco LOST twice to Harrison

 

[Clark Rogers]

Greatest talent, or greatest success?

Two vastly different answers there, imo.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Laughable.

Cyborg crushed Cat Zingano, who broke Amanda Nunes. Cyborg also beat a better Holly Holm, so they share a common opponent.

At nearly 40 years old, Cyborg just beat Larissa Pacheco, who had beaten Kayla Harrison, in a higher weight division.

I think Pacheco would whip Nunes and already has whipped Harrison.

That's a hell of a win.

Cyborgs record overall is more impressive, and she holds more WMMA wins, KOs, has less losses, and just proved she is still Champion-quality against the best women in MMA, while being three years older than Nuñez.

So because Cyborg beat a far more washed Zingano than the version that beat Nunes, we just forget that Nunes knocked Cyborg the fuck out in under a round?

Edit, my bad, under a minute.

Olympic level mental gymnastics there.

 

[BigMuffler]

Greatest talent, or greatest success?

Two vastly different answers there, imo.

Who's the greatest talent? Are you thinking someone like Rose or a more unexpected answer?

 

[Clark Rogers]

Who's the greatest talent? Are you thinking someone like Rose or a more unexpected answer?

Just clarifying what kind of greatness we're looking at.

On talent, I think Nunes.

On success, and I'm talking big picture success including money, titles, defenses, outside MMA recognition, and impact, I don't think anyone holds a candle to Ronda... yet.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

So because Cyborg beat a far more washed Zingano than the version that beat Nunes, we just forget that Nunes knocked Cyborg the fuck out in under a round?

Edit, my bad, under a minute.

Olympic level mental gymnastics there.

Nunes quit 2-3x, lost 5x, and retired at 36.

Cyborg just won her 5th title, at age 39, over the only woman to beat Kayla Harrison ... showing grit and resolve.

Yes, I call the woman who has won more, has competed longer, has won more belts, accolades ... in every platform ever made ... over a more-sustained career ... GREATER than a woman who repeatedly quits, who hasn't won as many fights, but lost more, and "retired early" ... just because the latter had a good night (but refused a rematch).

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Pacheco LOST twice to Harrison

During the early stages of their careers ... what is telling is that, in their most recent fight (reflecting their skill levels), Pacheco BEAT Harrison ... and the 39 year old Cybog just beat Pacheco.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Nunes quit 2-3x, lost 5x, and retired at 36.

Cyborg just won her 5th title, at age 39, over the only woman to beat Kayla Harrison ... showing grit and resolve.

Yes, I call the woman who has won more, has competed longer, has won more belts, accolades ... in every platform ever made ... over a more-sustained career ... GREATER than a woman who repeatedly quits, who hasn't won as many fights, but lost more, and "retired early" ... just because the latter had a good night (but refused a rematch).

To each their own i suppose.

But, dying on the "common opponents" hill when the two in question have head to head results is silly imo.

I reckon you prob spend a good bit of time talking about asterisks on careers like Jones while ignoring Cyborg's history with that, too.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[BFoe]

1. Nunes
2. Schev
3. Ronda
4. Joanna
5. Cyborg

 

[BFoe]

Laughable.

Cyborg crushed Cat Zingano, who broke Amanda Nunes. Cyborg also beat a better Holly Holm, so they share a common opponent.

At nearly 40 years old, Cyborg just beat Larissa Pacheco, who had beaten Kayla Harrison, in a higher weight division.

I think Pacheco would whip Nunes and already has whipped Harrison.

That's a hell of a win.

Cyborgs record overall is more impressive, and she holds more WMMA wins, KOs, has less losses, and just proved she is still Champion-quality against the best women in MMA, while being three years older than Nuñez.

Seems like like a lot of MMA math.
Cyborg has a lot of accolades, but her resume has very few true WFWs. It’s full of WBWs and WFLWs, and a lot of them are not particularly elite. Additionally, she’s a 2-time PED cheat. It seems pretty pointless to say “wow, look what she can do at 40” when she’s a known PED user.

 

[DougieJones]

Gina

 

[BigMuffler]

Just clarifying what kind of greatness we're looking at.

On talent, I think Nunes.

On success, and I'm talking big picture success including money, titles, defenses, outside MMA recognition, and impact, I don't think anyone holds a candle to Ronda... yet.

Oh I see, so Ronda is "greater" in the same way Conor would be greater than Anderson.

 

[Bork Neslar]

It doesn't matter.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Oh I see, so Ronda is "greater" in the same way Conor would be greater than Anderson.

Anderson and Conor get a little more murky.

Anderson is GOAT tier imo. Had a shit ton of title defenses, but nowhere near the income, popularity, crossover appeal, etc, that Conor had. Conor wasn't near as talented.

Ronda had a ton of defenses across Strikeforce and UFC, by far the biggest crossover WMMA star, and is largely the reason WMMA is in the UFC... But she's objectively not as talented as the other candidates.

 

[Khaosan]