Who was more impressive against Mosley?

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Mayweather landed 208 of 477 and got hit 92 times

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...osley-compubox

While Pacquiao landed 224 of 727 and got hit 66 times

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...osley-compubox


Pacquiao also landed 30 more power shots.

It's worth noting that there are two different sets of punch stats floating around for the fight so it might not be prudent to present either as definitive yet; one set has Mosley landing 82 of 260 which ironically is the number boxingscene uses in it's article on the compubox numbers... when the links to the numbers themselves have the 66 figure.
 
I'm not even a big boxing fan, but it seems many people here are trying to imply that somehow comparing the fights vs Mosley, are acting as if this has any serious indications about a Pac vs PBF fight... The reality here is that styles make fights...

From my perspective, Manny is a fast, volume puncher, with great power, who typically relies on offensive pressure and relentless momentum/pace to dominate people and prevent them from being offensive.

PBF, every fight I've seen him in, fights very defensive, with lightning fast counters.

Mosley strikes me as someone who depends on his speed, something booth Manny and PBF surpassed him in.

The nature of the matchups, put Mosely on offense coming at PBF , and defense vs Pacqiao. Mosley was barely able to put together solid offense on PBF (after the near early round stoppage) and was tooled in Mayweather's game the entire rest of the fight. Pac, kept Mosley in his game the entirety of the fight.

The only things that can really be taken out of this fight is that:

-Fighting defensively did frustrate Pac's offense, even if Mosley was too slow to capitalize on it. That might mean Mayweather has a decent chance to impose his will.

-Mosley was unable to really get anything going offensively, and historically Manny's toughest fights have been against people who can come at him, like Marquez. That might mean Pac-man simply overwhelms Mayweather, with constant pressure and doesn't give him a chance to fire back

-Mosley, was able to badly hurt Mayweather early, until PBF got his timing down. Manny is faster than Mosley, could very well hit as hard, if not harder than him too...

Ultimately tho, both fighters can provide something that the other fighter hasn't yet seen, or been able to fight. They are both likely to be each other's fastest opponent. Mayweather's defensive skills are likely to frustrate Pac even more than Mosley, the question is whether or not PBBF will be quick enough to effectively counter Pac. On the other hand, Pac's offensive pressure, volume, and power are are something that Floyd hasn't had to deal with yet, but is it enough to shut down Mayweather's offense as well as it shut down Mosley's?

There are lots of unanswered questions about a potential Pac/MW fight, and that's part of what makes the fight so compelling. Let's hope they finally make the bout happen.

Finally, as far as answering the OP, without making insinuating about how that affects a potential superfight, I think they where both damn impressive wins. Mayweather came back from early adversity, and fought a brilliant fight after that. Paquiao took Mosley so far out of his game that Mosley never had a chance... both wins where amazing to watch.
 
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Mosley was outclassed by mayweather and couldn't keep up with his speed and superb defense (except for that lucky punch that wobbled mw)..mosley kept up with pac man pretty well
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IDIOT. Mosely kept up with Pac man pretty well by running away. IDIOT.. Where you watching the same fight as us last night?
 
I'm not even a big boxing fan, but it seems many people here are trying to imply that somehow comparing the fights vs Mosley, are acting as if this has any serious indications about a Pac vs PBF fight... The reality here is that styles make fights...

From my perspective, Manny is a fast, volume puncher, with great power, who typically relies on offensive pressure and relentless momentum/pace to dominate people and prevent them from being offensive.

PBF, every fight I've seen him in, fights very defensive, with lightning fast counters.

Mosley strikes me as someone who depends on his speed, something booth Manny and PBF surpassed him in.

The nature of the matchups, put Mosely on offense coming at PBF , and defense vs Pacqiao. Mosley was barely able to put together solid offense on PBF (after the near early round stoppage) and was tooled in Mayweather's game the entire rest of the fight. Pac, kept Mosley in his game the entirety of the fight.

The only things that can really be taken out of this fight is that:

-Fighting defensively did frustrate Pac's offense, even if Mosley was too slow to capitalize on it. That might mean Mayweather has a decent chance to impose his will.

-Mosley was unable to really get anything going offensively, and historically Manny's toughest fights have been against people who can come at him, like Marquez. That might mean Pac-man simply overwhelms Mayweather, with constant pressure and doesn't give him a chance to fire back

-Mosley, was able to badly hurt Mayweather early, until PBF got his timing down. Manny is faster than Mosley, could very well hit as hard, if not harder than him too...

Ultimately tho, both fighters can provide something that the other fighter hasn't yet seen, or been able to fight. They are both likely to be each other's fastest opponent. Mayweather's defensive skills are likely to frustrate Pac even more than Mosley, the question is whether or not PBBF will be quick enough to effectively counter Pac. On the other hand, Pac's offensive pressure, volume, and power are are something that Floyd hasn't had to deal with yet, but is it enough to shut down Mayweather's offense as well as it shut down Mosley's?

There are lots of unanswered questions about a potential Pac/MW fight, and that's part of what makes the fight so compelling. Let's hope they finally make the bout happen.

Finally, as far as answering the OP, without making insinuating about how that affects a potential superfight, I think they where both damn impressive wins. Mayweather came back from early adversity, and fought a brilliant fight after that. Paquiao took Mosley so far out of his game that Mosley never had a chance... both wins where amazing to watch.

Great analysis.

Comparing their performances is just not enough to judge from.

Too many distortions are present, for example Mosley's state in either fight and just the nature of combat and how different styles impose different problems.

It does tell me however that both Mayweather and PBF are at a point where they transcend everybody else.
 
man mayweather fans always crack me up. lol.

mosley was fucking terrified of pac after the third. nuff said.
 
I'm not even a big boxing fan, but it seems many people here are trying to imply that somehow comparing the fights vs Mosley, are acting as if this has any serious indications about a Pac vs PBF fight... The reality here is that styles make fights...

From my perspective, Manny is a fast, volume puncher, with great power, who typically relies on offensive pressure and relentless momentum/pace to dominate people and prevent them from being offensive.

PBF, every fight I've seen him in, fights very defensive, with lightning fast counters.

Mosley strikes me as someone who depends on his speed, something booth Manny and PBF surpassed him in.

The nature of the matchups, put Mosely on offense coming at PBF , and defense vs Pacqiao. Mosley was barely able to put together solid offense on PBF (after the near early round stoppage) and was tooled in Mayweather's game the entire rest of the fight. Pac, kept Mosley in his game the entirety of the fight.

The only things that can really be taken out of this fight is that:

-Fighting defensively did frustrate Pac's offense, even if Mosley was too slow to capitalize on it. That might mean Mayweather has a decent chance to impose his will.

-Mosley was unable to really get anything going offensively, and historically Manny's toughest fights have been against people who can come at him, like Marquez. That might mean Pac-man simply overwhelms Mayweather, with constant pressure and doesn't give him a chance to fire back

-Mosley, was able to badly hurt Mayweather early, until PBF got his timing down. Manny is faster than Mosley, could very well hit as hard, if not harder than him too...

Ultimately tho, both fighters can provide something that the other fighter hasn't yet seen, or been able to fight. They are both likely to be each other's fastest opponent. Mayweather's defensive skills are likely to frustrate Pac even more than Mosley, the question is whether or not PBBF will be quick enough to effectively counter Pac. On the other hand, Pac's offensive pressure, volume, and power are are something that Floyd hasn't had to deal with yet, but is it enough to shut down Mayweather's offense as well as it shut down Mosley's?

There are lots of unanswered questions about a potential Pac/MW fight, and that's part of what makes the fight so compelling. Let's hope they finally make the bout happen.

Finally, as far as answering the OP, without making insinuating about how that affects a potential superfight, I think they where both damn impressive wins. Mayweather came back from early adversity, and fought a brilliant fight after that. Paquiao took Mosley so far out of his game that Mosley never had a chance... both wins where amazing to watch.

Great post.
 
All those who spout this "Mayweather never put the fear of God into Mosley the way Pacquiao did" crap must've forgotten the several "walks of shame" Shane had going back into his corner with a look on his face like he had a piece of his soul taken. Mayweather broke Mosley's spirit with repeated right hand counters that made Shane look like a bobble head.

Even a year later, haters are still hating on Mayweather's masterful performance against Mosley.

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All those who spout this "Mayweather never put the fear of God into Mosley the way Pacquiao did" crap must've forgotten the several "walks of shame" Shane had going back into his corner with a look on his face like he had a piece of his soul taken. Mayweather broke Mosley's spirit with repeated right hand counters that made Shane look like a bobble head.

Even a year later, haters are still hating on Mayweather's masterful performance against Mosley.

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yep.

and lol at all this "fear of God into Mosley crap". I rewatched the fight this morning. Mosley was uninterested in fighting from the opening bell. He looked like a man looking to collect a paycheck.

Pacman knocked Shane down but looked unimpressive from that point forth.
Mayweather got rocked by Shane but came back and made Shane look foolish.



I hate how Pacman fans feel the need to use last night's fight in an effort to deride Floyd's performance.
Styles make fights. Pacman and Floyd beating Shane offers no indication of how a Pac/Floyd fight would go.
 
yep.

and lol at all this "fear of God into Mosley crap". I rewatched the fight this morning. Mosley was uninterested in fighting from the opening bell. He looked like a man looking to collect a paycheck.

Pacman knocked Shane down but looked unimpressive from that point forth.
Mayweather got rocked by Shane but came back and made Shane look foolish.



I hate how Pacman fans feel the need to use last night's fight in an effort to deride Floyd's performance.
Styles make fights. Pacman and Floyd beating Shane offers no indication of how a Pac/Floyd fight would go.

I don't like it either, but have you seen any Boxing Forums lately? Most posters are hating on Pacquiao which isn't deserved. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao looked impressive against Mosley, in their own way they dominated the fight.
 
They both looked fantastic against Mosley in their own distinct way. However, speaking on the Pacquiao fight, after Mosley got knocked down in the 3rd, he this had dejected look on his face like "did a cinder block just fall on my head?". The fight had a perceptible change after that. It's not very often you see Sugar Shane Mosley regress to fighting in a defensive manner for more than half the fight, especially in the last couple rounds where he was in full retreat mode. That in itself is amazing. Shane's always been the type of fighter who loves going toe-to-toe, that mentality quickly changed once he tasted Pacquiao's power.
 
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Who would you be more afraid to fight with? Someone who your brother had almost knocked out but then came back and kinda hurt him or someone who knocked your brother on his ass and continued to have him run to the principal's office?

Currently the 1st kid won't fight the 2nd kid by the way.

Sorry I had to use school yard fighting metaphors for Mayweather fans, but it's the only way they may understand.
 
Who would you be more afraid to fight with? Someone who your brother had almost knocked out but then came back and kinda hurt him or someone who knocked your brother on his ass and continued to have him run to the principal's office?

Currently the 1st kid won't fight the 2nd kid by the way.

Sorry I had to use school yard fighting metaphors for Mayweather fans, but it's the only way they may understand.

:icon_arro Sometimes you have to put the jelly on the bottom shelf so the little people can reach it. Well done.
 
mosley wasnt badly hurt because he is just running away all the time. he is really scared of pacquiao. while on the mayweather fight he is the one pressing the fight during the earler rounds and he is getting countered all the time. if mosley was more aggressive and pressing the fight more he will get KO'ed instantly by pacquiao and i think it could be more damaging compared to mayweather.

I disagree. I agree with him backing off, out moving Pacquiao who couldn't cut off the ring. He didn't bring the pace of the rd 3 where he pushed Mosley with flurries that led to a knock down. I disagree about Mosley getting KO'd instantly. LOL the guy has fought bigger punchers and had never been badly hurt to the point he was stopped. He got rocked by Vernon Forrest. He finished the fight. The guy has never been stopped before. Likely, he could have got stuck on his stool like De La Hoya or a ref stoppage. Not KTFO. Mosley may have won in his prime.
 
I disagree. I agree with him backing off, out moving Pacquiao who couldn't cut off the ring. He didn't bring the pace of the rd 3 where he pushed Mosley with flurries that led to a knock down. I disagree about Mosley getting KO'd instantly. LOL the guy has fought bigger punchers and had never been badly hurt to the point he was stopped. He got rocked by Vernon Forrest. He finished the fight. The guy has never been stopped before. Likely, he could have got stuck on his stool like De La Hoya or a ref stoppage. Not KTFO. Mosley may have won in his prime.

He's never been stopped because he holds when he is hurt... not because of his chin or heart.. in this case.. and in the Mayweather fight.. Mosley held and took minimal risks.. which limited his opponents opportunities.
 
Shane is mentally fragile. It's not difficult to break him, hell Vernon Forrest broke him for like 5 years for one right uppercut.

Mayweather was far more impressive. Mayweather gave Shane every advantage in the book and Shane couldn't even come close to pulling the trigger.

Pacquiao reminds me of Tito. Very, very one-dimensional. Pacquiao looked like Tito did in the last 4 rounds of Tito - DLH. Lost, confused and just throwing punches to throw punches.

In my opinion, Mayweather tools, schools and stops him.
 
Shane is mentally fragile. It's not difficult to break him, hell Vernon Forrest broke him for like 5 years for one right uppercut.

Mayweather was far more impressive. Mayweather gave Shane every advantage in the book and Shane couldn't even come close to pulling the trigger.

Pacquiao reminds me of Tito. Very, very one-dimensional. Pacquiao looked like Tito did in the last 4 rounds of Tito - DLH. Lost, confused and just throwing punches to throw punches.

In my opinion, Mayweather tools, schools and stops him.

I don't agree Mosley rocked Mayweather and was standing in front of him for most of the fight. But Pacquiao dropped Mosley, he hardly got hit and had him on the retreat. Pacquiao can box,swarm and punch if he fights Mayweather he can beat him by a decision or late round stoppage.
 
Shane is mentally fragile. It's not difficult to break him, hell Vernon Forrest broke him for like 5 years for one right uppercut.

Mayweather was far more impressive. Mayweather gave Shane every advantage in the book and Shane couldn't even come close to pulling the trigger.

Pacquiao reminds me of Tito. Very, very one-dimensional. Pacquiao looked like Tito did in the last 4 rounds of Tito - DLH. Lost, confused and just throwing punches to throw punches.

In my opinion, Mayweather tools, schools and stops him.

Looks like we can add one more title to PAC's growing list of accomplishments. ALL TIME GREATEST ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER. He is so good he only needs to do one thing to beat everyone. Throw fast and hard punches by the hundreds and game over.
 
Mayweather only lost a round when he was caught (it happens), whereas Pacman was outboxed in 3 of the 12 rounds IMO.
 
So we have two guys at welterweight that absolutely blow out every other fighter who gets in the ring with them. Wow they should fight each other! What a brilliant idea I just had!

Comparing common opponents won't do the trick. And although Mosley looked awful against both I don't think there is anyone at welterweight or 140 who would be able do do much against Mayweather or Pacquiao. Maybe someone could make a more exciting fight against Pacquiao, but not Mayweather.
 
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