Social Who or what are the proud boys?

There may be some sympathy for WN among members, but they have non white members including their president; Enrique Tarrio - dude is black and cuban. And Tiny is a Samoan. They have a Japanese guy thats pretty well know too.

How did they convince all those "racist" to make a minority their leader?

Ive acknowledged that they make superficial efforts to mask their racism, but the organization depends on soft white supremacy to exist. If you remove the white supremacist messaging, the group as currently constructed would fall apart.
 
You're right, I can't find the skrewdriver connection. It does appear as a white power symbol and it's consistent with his views. I'm wrong here apparently, but if you think anyone who wears a Skrewdriver t-shirt is doing it by accident you're the gullible one. Nobody in punk would wear a fucking Skrewdriver t-shirt.


He can think he's superior to his wife, it's not like white supremacist's belief are consistent or logical.

I hear race mixing goes over very well in white supremacist circles o_O You're grasping at straws and refusing to admit that you're probably wrong. You're either a troll or an idiot and I do hope it's the former. Have a good day.
 
You're right, I can't find the skrewdriver connection. It does appear as a white power symbol and it's consistent with his views. I'm wrong here apparently, but if you think anyone who wears a Skrewdriver t-shirt is doing it by accident you're the gullible one. Nobody in punk would wear a fucking Skrewdriver t-shirt.
Digging deeper there is the connection. This was the main symbol they used when they did use the fist. It didn't have a lightning bolt:
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They used a billion symbols. Here's a few more common ones:
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These were their primary symbols abroad that would have been available in Canada in 1988 (also places like the USA and Australia):
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Nevertheless, the "White Noise Club" used that specific symbol on their newsletter (in the UK) and on banners for local shows during the period:
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I couldn't find anything about that interview where he wore the Skrewdriver shirt other than it took place in Japan in 2004, way later, long after he had left the punk scene, and the shirt looks brand new. At that point it is counterculture kitsch; the sort of thing sold in hipster shops with a sense of irony considering the band's historical distinctions. That's a punk tradition, but one even most punk kids would eschew presently.

Just below that fist, on his arm, which doesn't accompany any other noticeable skinhead tattoos or symbolism, he has a tattoo that asks, "Aren't Thou Bored?" because there is a YouTube video of a cartoon Macho Man Randy Savage saying it, though he actually said, "Art Thou Bored?" He also has one that says, "Tofu", because he says he was into vegetarianism. It's difficult to take his skin art seriously:





Nevertheless, there is a troubling confluence of symbols. Inside the circle are Chinese characters that say "Power" and "Force", which taken together, mean "Authority". The Arabic characters in the red say-- according to Gavin-- "Arm Your Desires" with the AK-47 between them. He jokes this was before Islamic terrorism was a huge threat. Perhaps, but taken in conjunction with the White Noise Club symbol one can easily interpret a synergy of signs:
Arm Your Desires --> White Power --> Authority --> AK-47 (Force of Violence) = Apply the Force of Violence to Establish White Authority

That is set against the same red used by the Nazis which was recycled by Blood & Honour when they took the symbol from the flag of the Afrikaaners, and using color associated with the National Front movement was encouraged by skinheads in that punk scene:
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It is a troubling tattoo.
He can think he's superior to his wife, it's not like white supremacist's belief are consistent or logical.
Race purists who insist on using violence to avoid mixture of cultures and bloodlines don't tend to willfully and openly commit this with their namesake bloodline.

No, I'm afraid his marriage is a mutually exclusive act to this ideology. This isn't a surreptitious tryst with a slave.
 
You're right, I can't find the skrewdriver connection. It does appear as a white power symbol and it's consistent with his views. I'm wrong here apparently, but if you think anyone who wears a Skrewdriver t-shirt is doing it by accident you're the gullible one. Nobody in punk would wear a fucking Skrewdriver t-shirt.

So if Gavin is a WN or Neo Nazi, how would the fourteen words fit in with his nonwhite kids? He wants to secure a future for white children, but not his own kids?
 
Digging deeper there is the connection. This was the main symbol they used when they did use the fist. It didn't have a lightning bolt:
images


They used a billion symbols. Here's a few more common ones:
image

R-1705091-1294586748.jpeg.jpg


These were their primary symbols abroad that would have been available in Canada in 1988 (also places like the USA and Australia):
blood-and-honour-1-2.jpg

blood-and-honour.jpg


Nevertheless, the "White Noise Club" used that specific symbol on their newsletter (in the UK) and on banners for local shows during the period:
skullhead_white_noise.jpg


I couldn't find anything about that interview where he wore the Skrewdriver shirt other than it took place in Japan in 2004, way later, long after he had left the punk scene, and the shirt looks brand new. At that point it is counterculture kitsch; the sort of thing sold in hipster shops with a sense of irony considering the band's historical distinctions. That's a punk tradition, but one even most punk kids would eschew presently.

Just below that fist, on his arm, which doesn't accompany any other noticeable skinhead tattoos or symbolism, he has a tattoo that asks, "Aren't Thou Bored?" because there is a YouTube video of a cartoon Macho Man Randy Savage saying it, though he actually said, "Art Thou Bored?" He also has one that says, "Tofu", because he says he was into vegetarianism. It's difficult to take his skin art seriously:





Nevertheless, there is a troubling confluence of symbols. Inside the circle are Chinese characters that say "Power" and "Force", which taken together, mean "Authority". The Arabic characters in the red say-- according to Gavin-- "Arm Your Desires" with the AK-47 between them. He jokes this was before Islamic terrorism was a huge threat. Perhaps, but taken in conjunction with the White Noise Club symbol one can easily interpret a synergy of signs:
Arm Your Desires --> White Power --> Authority --> AK-47 (Force of Violence) = Apply the Force of Violence to Establish White Authority

That is set against the same red used by the Nazis which was recycled by Blood & Honour when they took the symbol from the flag of the Afrikaaners, and using color associated with the National Front movement was encouraged by skinheads in that punk scene:
main-qimg-10bf97c5f5dff805ae425c9d6a997851

Flag_of_the_Afrikaner-Weerstandsbeweging.svg


It is a troubling tattoo.

Race purists who insist on using violence to avoid mixture of cultures and bloodlines don't tend to willfully and openly commit this with their namesake bloodline.

No, I'm afraid his marriage is a mutually exclusive act to this ideology. This isn't a surreptitious tryst with a slave.


An army buddy of mine had a particular lion tattoo that in my originating country is often associated with skinheads. I asked him if he was one and he said "No, but I used to be". He got the tattoo when he was young and dumb and aligned himself with an ideology that he didn't fully understand. He didn't want to get rid of it because he considered it part of his history. He was dating a black chick to boot back in those army days.
Point is maybe McInnes used to be a white supremacist or maybe not. I'm not going to put that label on anybody unless they truly deserve it. His comments and his mixed race family make me believe that he's not one. Like you said "It's difficult to take his skin art seriously" and knowing McInnes, nobody should.

Btw did you lose an AV bet? Who did you bet on?
 
An army buddy of mine had a particular lion tattoo that in my originating country is often associated with skinheads. I asked him if he was one and he said "No, but I used to be". He got the tattoo when he was young and dumb and aligned himself with an ideology that he didn't fully understand. He didn't want to get rid of it because he considered it part of his history. He was dating a black chick to boot back in those army days.
Point is maybe McInnes used to be a white supremacist or maybe not. I'm not going to put that label on anybody unless they truly deserve it. His comments and his mixed race family make me believe that he's not one. Like you said "It's difficult to take his skin art seriously" and knowing McInnes, nobody should.

Btw did you lose an AV bet? Who did you bet on?
I'm not interested in shifting the goalposts. If someone wants to listen to that podcast episode maybe they'd learn more. I'm not wasting an hour and a half of my life on that.
 
I'm not interested in shifting the goalposts. If someone wants to listen to that podcast episode maybe they'd learn more. I'm not wasting an hour and a half of my life on that.

What podcast?
 
Ive acknowledged that they make superficial efforts to mask their racism, but the organization depends on soft white supremacy to exist. If you remove the white supremacist messaging, the group as currently constructed would fall apart.

What you see as soft racism, I see as jingoism
 
It's funny how they ridicule the wannabe not-sees for the goofs they are but never ridicule antifa for the goofs they are. I have yet to see a right leaning poster embrace anything nazi related. Can't say the same for the lefties and their love of antifa. In fact, they defend them.
Both are as un - American as it gets, yet for some reason (not hard to figure out, really), the leftoid idiots that pollute this place love them some wannabe commies.
It's very revealing.

They're just protestors.

Trying to compare them to violent hate groups is simply ridiculous.
 
What podcast?
Get Off My Lawn episode #21. Apparently he talked about the t-shirt interview. Not sure if he addresses or explains this tattoo in more detail.
 
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Hitler was a vegetarian, so I guess that rules out him being a rightwinger then.

seeing what you want to see. wow.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I call it how I see it.
Friend of yours in that pic with his daughter? Or are you just a Steve King supporter?
 
That demonstrates how the Proud Boys have a tongue-in-cheek initiation ritual. Woven into the fabric of that club is a sense of facetiousness.
To advance in ranks you have to get arrested and/or be in a violent conflict. That’s a gang initiation.
 
To advance in ranks you have to get arrested and/or be in a violent conflict. That’s a gang initiation.
Now you've gone off the deep end, again.
 
Now you've gone off the deep end, again.
Is it not true or is the interpretation too extreme? What else do you call it if a group of people has rules that require you to get arrested and be in a violent confrontation if you want to climb up the ladder? Seems pretty straightforward.
 
It's funny how they ridicule the wannabe not-sees for the goofs they are but never ridicule antifa for the goofs they are. I have yet to see a right leaning poster embrace anything nazi related. Can't say the same for the lefties and their love of antifa. In fact, they defend them.
Both are as un - American as it gets, yet for some reason (not hard to figure out, really), the leftoid idiots that pollute this place love them some wannabe commies.
It's very revealing.
Which poster here defends antifa? Most leftists here mock antifa.
 
So if Gavin is a WN or Neo Nazi, how would the fourteen words fit in with his nonwhite kids? He wants to secure a future for white children, but not his own kids?
He’s breeding house slaves? I don’t know, I don’t trust the guy, he’s a weird antagonizing moron that’s either completely oblivious or is purposefully ambiguous in both what he says and how he acts. He’s also a liar and a grifter.

But maybe I’m wrong about him being literally a neo-nazi.
 
Which poster here defends antifa? Most leftists here mock antifa.

I defend "them" quite a bit.

I mean, its not a structured group so its hard to judge antifa as a single organization. Its just groups people with similar beliefs protesting.

There is no 'membership' or set of rules.

Its a blanket term used to describe left wing activists.
 
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