Social Who or what are the proud boys?

[WarDosAnjos]

Consistent with his troll antics. Not some old candid social media photo, apparently. Also, I can't find a single instance of that symbol linked to the band Skrewdriver anywhere but in this Tweet. A hand with a lightning bolt is a pretty popular icon with no political connotations. Here's one on an American Legion lapel:


Think you've been gullible. After all, if he was into that scene, I'd expect there to be a whole lot more than one photograph (without details) in the closet. If these people were interested in really pinning Gavin down they'd track down whoever took that photograph.

So he went out and bought a shirt from a white power band, helping the band profit in the process, and wore it just to rustle someones jimmies? And to you this is excusable and more logical than him, I don't know, maybe just buying the shirt for himself? What's up with your CSI level reaching to try and show this guy is just a "troll" and not a white supremacist? Are you super invested in him or something? It seems much more logical that everything isn't explainable by some coincidence and that a spade is a spade...

 

[WarDosAnjos]

More muscle? Hmm. Maybe some, but certainly not all. This Proud Boy spent 2 minutes trying to rip a cardboard sign.

THAT VIDEO LOL. I'M DYING

 

[Madmick]

Can you show me an example of where that tattoo (that specific one, fist holding a SINGLE lightning bolt) shows up other than nazi affiliated things? And how likely is that connection given all the other evidence?
Also, marrying a native american doesn't necessarily prove anything, Milo lopoulos fucks black dudes but is best friends with Richard Spencer. "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" does not really count as valid evidence this day and age

I just demonstrated an example of a lighting bolt held in the hand not representing white supremacist ideology, and the burden of proof here isn't on me. Can you even link it to that band? That Tweet doesn't substantiate that anywhere. I can find tons of symbols associated with that band. Not that one.

So he went out and bought a shirt from a white power band, helping the band profit in the process, and wore it just to rustle someones jimmies? And to you this is excusable and more logical than him, I don't know, maybe just buying the shirt for himself? What's up with your CSI level reaching to try and show this guy is just a "troll" and not a white supremacist? Are you super invested in him or something? It seems much more logical that everything isn't explainable by some coincidence and that a spade is a spade...

He founded VICE in 1994. Presumably, and according to him, he was a leftist at the time. He was part of a punk band. It's a very "punk" thing to do to steer into the taboo.

Gavin, mirroring that Proud Boys, but on a longer timetable, has steered further and further into harder right-wing views as he has aged, seemingly, but he is a provocateur, and was from a young age, so it isn't easy to dissociate his satirical commentary from intended sincerity. After all, if I had nothing but a picture of him sticking a dildo up his ass I might be inclined to draw some strange conclusions.

 

[WarDosAnjos]

After all, if I had nothing but a picture of him sticking a dildo up his ass I might be inclined to draw some strange conclusions.

Ah, so now I finally know why you call yourself MadDildo.

To your point I feel stupid now because I always just thought this guy was some alt right e-celeb. Shocked to read about his relationship with Vice. He's a good example of how some people have ever evolving views of the world. Myself included. Free thinkers don't stay in one lane

 

[skold]

I just demonstrated an example of a lighting bolt held in the hand not representing white supremacist ideology, and the burden of proof here isn't on me. Can you even link it to that band? That Tweet doesn't substantiate that anywhere. I can find tons of symbols associated with that band. Not that one.

He founded VICE in 1994. Presumably, and according to him, he was a leftist at the time. He was part of a punk band. It's a very "punk" thing to do to steer into the taboo.

Gavin, mirroring that Proud Boys, but on a longer timetable, has steered further and further into harder right-wing views as he has aged, seemingly, but he is a provocateur, and was from a young age, so it isn't easy to dissociate his satirical commentary from intended sincerity. After all, if I had nothing but a picture of him sticking a dildo up his ass I might be inclined to draw some strange conclusions.

I'm just wondering why despite all the arrows pointing in the same direction, you are so quick to find an unrelated excuse for every single one.
And you know, saying "I am a leftie" or "I was a leftie" is not evidence of anything

Tim Pool and Dave Rubin call themselves "Left" or "Liberal" all the fucking time, yet 99% of their content is pro-right-wing and anti-left-wing.. What someone says is irrelevant if their actions show the opposite

And yes, the difference in the symbol is important

If someone who has neo nazi friends has this tattoo:

You wouldn't go around saying that he probably just likes eagles, templars and has a relative born in 1939 that he wanted to commemorate.. would you?

 

[ElKarlo]

Fair enough. At least I haven't heard them doing so.

Indeed. Yeah I think that's a massive difference. There are videos of people going up and debating them, a d mo violence occurred. Yet with antifa random people are attacked. Which is just bad for all of us

 

[ElKarlo]

Not sure how that disproves or contradicts anything that I said.

Neo Nazi groups are free to make posters for any rally. The Daily Stormer can make posters to attend a Harry Potter movie marathon if they want to.

That doesn't mean the Proud Boys or anyone else had anything to do with the Neo Nazis. Maybe you can point out where the Proud Boys are mentioned on any of those posters?

The left points at Charlottesville like it's a regular occurrence. It happened once and nothing like it has happened again. It's a stupid example at this time

 

[Madmick]

I'm just wondering why despite all the arrows pointing in the same direction, you are so quick to find an unrelated excuse for every single one.
And you know, saying "I am a leftie" or "I was a leftie" is not evidence of anything

Tim Pool and Dave Rubin call themselves "Left" or "Liberal" all the fucking time, yet 99% of their content is pro-right-wing and anti-left-wing.. What someone says is irrelevant if their actions show the opposite

And yes, the difference in the symbol is important

If someone who has neo nazi friends has this tattoo:

You wouldn't go around saying that he probably just likes eagles, templars and has a relative born in 1939 that he wanted to commemorate.. would you?

Don't drag Dave Rubin into this just because you can't stand the idea of a gay white guy who hasn't kowtowed to the radical contemporary Democratic shift.

The reason I am skeptical is because numerologists see cause & correlation rather than coincidence in everything. The symbol of lightning in the hand has long been associated most strongly with Zeus, and that often takes that exact form in a two-dimensional space.

Nevertheless, that is certainly bad given his background and the historical timing (if he indeed got that tattoo at 18 around 1988). So this "White Noise Club" was Skrewdriver's music record label for the National Front (of Britain). They used the White Power fist in many incarnations, but I see that one on their British label newsletter. I can't find any confirmation that was ever distributed in Canada. Remember, this was before the age of the internet. Apparently the wing of this during the pre-88 period was an anti-Communist, anti-Capitalist, anti-American faction including skinheads, and was probably most closely aligned with the "Flag Group" branch. The branch in particular associated with Skrewdriver that was disseminated via mail order abroad was "Blood and Honour". They didn't use that symbol, but they did begin distributing their literature by the summer of 1987:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_&_Honour

It looks like in his youth he was drawn into a musical subculture that maybe he didn't completely understand, but certainly wasn't innocent, and which was stitched from ideas that include some of his more baseless, extremist ideas held today like White Genocide (though also others he has abandoned completely).

Troubling, indeed, and testament to a radical youth similar to Samuel L. Jackson's in the 60's. Nevertheless, there appears to be some problematic baggage that he never abandoned.

 

[Rational Poster]

I was led to believe they sprouted up as a reaction to antifa snowflakes. Media portrays everyone as left of right, but most of us are in the middle. And Antifa has been getting their asses kicked lately....anyone comes near me with a mask and a stick, I’m throwing haymakers.

Nah they started as a Gavin Mcinnes fan club and got a bit out of hand.

 

[Deleted member 263856]

Nah, that's what people like him want you to think, that it's all just a big troll. They hide behind a troll persona but they have actual goals and an ideology.

This is Gavin wearing a Skrewdriver t-shirt. It's a neo-nazi band. There's only one kind of people that wear those t-shirts, you can't just buy them in regular stores.

People defend him by saying "well maybe he didn't know", which is not only incredibly naive but it's also ignoring the fact that he has a neo-nazi tattoo on his arm.

The fists holding the lightning bolt is Skrewdriver's, a white supremacist neo-nazi band, logo. So he not only accidentally buys Skrewdriver t-shirts but also accidentally tattoos their logo on his arm?



Don't be fucking naive. These guys know who they are and they just hide behind disinformation and grifters like Andy Ngo to whitewash their image.

You sound like Alex Jones. And McInnes is married to and has a child with a First Nations lady. White supremacists have gotten very inclusive. Quite the ruse indeed.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Nah they started as a Gavin Mcinnes fan club and got a bit out of hand.

Gavin was one of the co-founders of Vice.... he basically gave that up to lead the Proud Boys.... great financial decision lol

 

[Rational Poster]

Gavin was one of the co-founders of Vice.... he basically gave that up to lead the Proud Boys.... great financial decision lol

Not like Gavin is exactly clean in this mess even stepping away from it.

He's been a peddler of traditional supremacist conspiracies and has flirted with racist ideas for quite some time. He seems more like he's just trying to monetize the sentiment though rather being married to it like some of his converts.

 

[Mr Holmes]

This is disgusting Look at CNN's bias when talking to this Cuban American Proud Boy

Lol, that wasn't an interview. It was as debate and she made herself look like a complete idiot.

 

[tonni]

Consistent with his troll antics. Not some old candid social media photo, apparently. Also, I can't find a single instance of that symbol linked to the band Skrewdriver anywhere but in this Tweet. A hand with a lightning bolt is a pretty popular icon with no political connotations. Here's one on an American Legion lapel:


Think you've been gullible. After all, if he was into that scene, I'd expect there to be a whole lot more than one photograph (without details) in the closet. If these people were interested in really pinning Gavin down they'd track down whoever took that photograph.

You're right, I can't find the skrewdriver connection. It does appear as a white power symbol and it's consistent with his views. I'm wrong here apparently, but if you think anyone who wears a Skrewdriver t-shirt is doing it by accident you're the gullible one. Nobody in punk would wear a fucking Skrewdriver t-shirt.

You sound like Alex Jones. And McInnes is married to and has a child with a First Nations lady. White supremacists have gotten very inclusive. Quite the ruse indeed.

He can think he's superior to his wife, it's not like white supremacist's belief are consistent or logical.

 

[tonni]

I'm just wondering why despite all the arrows pointing in the same direction, you are so quick to find an unrelated excuse for every single one.
And you know, saying "I am a leftie" or "I was a leftie" is not evidence of anything

Tim Pool and Dave Rubin call themselves "Left" or "Liberal" all the fucking time, yet 99% of their content is pro-right-wing and anti-left-wing.. What someone says is irrelevant if their actions show the opposite

And yes, the difference in the symbol is important

If someone who has neo nazi friends has this tattoo:

You wouldn't go around saying that he probably just likes eagles, templars and has a relative born in 1939 that he wanted to commemorate.. would you?

What's wrong with an eagle flying around with what appears to be the partial flag of Madeira?

 

[skold]

He can think he's superior to his wife, it's not like white supremacist's belief are consistent or logical.

Could be a race-fetish thing.. I dont remember which, but there was a porn site that published their viewer stats and turns out red states are highest consumers of interracial porn.. Ironically they were also the highest consumers of cuckold porn

 

[tonni]

Hey guys let's prank everyone and be ambiguous about our white supremacy

 

[tonni]

@skold Kind of reminds me of this

Hey he's just swinging his arms around.

Hey he's just wearing one of the biggest white supremacist bands of the 90's t-shirt. Maybe he just likes tools and misspellings? You can never know.

 

[TheBlondBomber]

Who are the “Proud Boys”?

They are the organization with the gayest name in the history or gays, organizations, or names.

True fact: they got their name from a song in a Disney film.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you think they didn't know where they were getting the name?

 

[TheBlondBomber]

Nah, that's what people like him want you to think, that it's all just a big troll. They hide behind a troll persona but they have actual goals and an ideology.

This is Gavin wearing a Skrewdriver t-shirt. It's a neo-nazi band. There's only one kind of people that wear those t-shirts, you can't just buy them in regular stores.

People defend him by saying "well maybe he didn't know", which is not only incredibly naive but it's also ignoring the fact that he has a neo-nazi tattoo on his arm.

The fists holding the lightning bolt is Skrewdriver's, a white supremacist neo-nazi band, logo. So he not only accidentally buys Skrewdriver t-shirts but also accidentally tattoos their logo on his arm?



Don't be fucking naive. These guys know who they are and they just hide behind disinformation and grifters like Andy Ngo to whitewash their image.

Why would a Nazi have a tattoo of an AK? That seems to be more of a commie thing. And I'm not seeing any Nazi symbol above the AK. Looks like a Chinese symbol to me.