Who is the smallest fighter that you think could beat a UFC heavyweight?

There's plenty of overlap all the way between MW to HW.

Like, Jake Collier, Joey Beltran, Jared Cannonier, Jay Silva, Alexei Oleynik, "Shoeface" Antonio Carlos Jr., Fabio Maldonado etc. are some quick and relatively recent examples of guys who fought at MW, LHW and HW with decent, varying success everywhere.

So, MW beat HWs entire time, not much to discuss here.

Below that, it gets trickier, generally it seems even largest WWs, cutting tonnes of water, aren't build this way, so matches against HWs are rare.

Leonardo Santos, the LW, has a win against Thiago Santos, who had most success as a LHW, for example. Though obviously he was way smaller on TUF.
 
VinceArch said:
I'm not trolling.
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Thing is, Cejudo is too small and even if strong for his weight class thats not enough for guys almost twice his size.
 
pankrat said:
Yo me replantearia mi vida si despues de tanto tiempo invertido aqui creyese que Cejudo tendria chance con un HW, no digamos Ivanov.

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Creo en lo que creo. Si estás de acuerdo o en desacuerdo no es importante.
 
pankrat said:
We have actually seen guys who competed at WW fighting HWs...and beating them.
A WW can easily get to 200+lbs in good shape and beat a low level HW.
Its nothing unseen before, at all.

It would be harder for a LW but there are some who can get to a fit 200lbs too.
FWs would be stretching it.

Lighter than that seems like pushing it, thats why there is a fellow sherbro who said Cejudo could beat Ivanov and he is the laughing stock of this thread.

We are taking about going against low level HWs obviously. Ranked HWs is another story, there are weight classes for a reason.
Still, Rumble beat Arlovski and had competed at WW not long before
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I think the premise of the thread is that they're in their current form though. If they put on a bunch of weight then they become a HW themselves.
 
VinceArch said:
I've seen wrestlers of lesser caliber that were Cejudo's size outwrestle much bigger men. Agree to disagree.
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Were these much bigger men professional MMA fighters who train every day though? I don't doubt Henry could beat an average untrained big dude.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
I think the premise of the thread is that they're in their current form though. If they put on a bunch of weight then they become a HW themselves.
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I didnt understood so based on OP but I could be wrong:

PlasticFishBowl said:
If you let the little guy fight at his walk around weight though, then I actually think Max (who supposedly walks around at 190-200) could probably decision Sherman although the reach might be a problem for him.

Anyone else think any other out of camp FW or maybe even a BW could take a bad HW?
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pankrat said:
I didnt understood so based on OP but I could be wrong:
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Well out of camp/walk around to me would mean that they're just not cutting weight rather than putting on significant amounts of muscle/fat.The guys who fought at HW are generally bigger than their walk around weights at the lower weight class with a few exceptions.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Well out of camp/walk around to me would mean that they're just not cutting weight rather than putting on significant amounts of muscle/fat.The guys who fought at HW are generally bigger than their walk around weights at the lower weight class with a few exceptions.
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If it's just about not cutting weight pre-fight, I dont really get TS making such a big deal about it:

PlasticFishBowl said:
I think Khamzat and Usman could beat these guys. Arguably they could beat them even if they had to weigh in at 170 and those guys got to weigh in at HW. If he was allowed to weigh in at his walk around weight then I think Khamzat could probably get a 1st rd sub on them.
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We went from "arguably could beat these HWs" to "1st rd sub on them" because of it?
If they maintain their current form, would not make that much of a difference imo.

I don't see how current FW Max Holloway can be 200lbs and not being way out of fighting shape.
Funny that TS say his problem would be the "reach" in such case. LOL. Like those extra 20lbs of ¿fat? would be what saved him from anything a HW throws at him.

On topic, we know that fighters about 200lbs in fighting shape are capable of beating HWs.

I don't think we ever saw fighters much lighter than that going up vs pro HW. We'd need to go back to the old days, like Newton vs Beneteau.

I guess in the 180-190lbs range of great fighting shape, not stupidly bloated/fat some could get him done Lee Murray or Hendo style but generally speaking specially as we go lighter, is very unlikely outside of freak moves Minowa style.

I guess some big guys among LW/FW are as low as we can go to pick someone.
I dont think there is a possible way for Cejudo, who has been mentioned in this thread, to put on weight and become competent fighting even low level HWs.
 
Greg House said:
Ok, let's say somehow, someway, Henry with his technique, speed, experience, timing and explosiveness manages to get a takedown on Cyril Gane who since Jon Jones took him down has now become according to sherdog in the heavyweight with the worst take down defense in the history of the universe. Then what? What does he do after? I'm sorry but I'm just struggling to see this picture lol. 5'3'' and 150 pounds Cejudo takes down 6'5'' and 250 pounds Cyrill Gane, and then he is somehow trying to control a dude on the ground 100 pounds heavier than him. Reminds me of this scene from Game Of Thrones:

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And here is what happens after Cyrill Gane sweeps him

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I reckon that is the reason Gane wasn't even defending the choke and was just trying to stand up. A lot of heavyweights seem to do this, they give up their back too, they don't care because once they are up, it doesn't matter. It's because he has been taken down many times by people that weighed 50 pounds less than him (and 50 pounds more than Cejudo btw) and he simply has been able to stand up while they try to sink in a choke in vain or try to keep him in the ground to no avail. Same way as Black Beast stands up doing everything you are not supposed to do and still gets away with it leaving comentators like Cruz and Felder speechless.
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The Mountain also died and they made him a fuckin' zombie or something. Overall, I would score this a draw.
 
VinceArch said:
Christ on a cross lol. I never said Cejudo could be HW champion but to think an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling can't beat someone like Blagoy Ivanov? I suggest you all try to wrestle if you can.
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You pick Ivanov as your example? Okay good, you're clearly trolling.
 
I think a MW like Pereira, without cutting weight and being at his natural weight of 215 pounds can knock out a HW. I do not see anyone below MW beating a HW. That includes Usman or Khamzat who others have mentioned.
 
Any heavyweight who lacks at least one elite martial art would be in trouble against many lightweights and welterweights. A wrestler like DC is going to absolutely destroy smaller guys. Fedor's sambo would break those same guys. Fighter like Werdum could easily use his size and BJJ to manhandle smaller fighters. Jones could pick a half dozen ways to smack little dudes from one side of the gym to the other. However, if the heavyweight is one of these I'm just sort of ok at everything, middling power, and suspect cardio heavyweights then said heavyweight is going to get handled by elite smaller guys. End of story.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Were these much bigger men professional MMA fighters who train every day though? I don't doubt Henry could beat an average untrained big dude.
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Again, I'm not saying Cejudo can hang with the top 10, I never said that.
 
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