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Who is the Greatest MMA fighter of all-time?

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I hate this question because everyone of those guys has a case they could make except cruz imo. Even though im not a fan, i got to go with jones. I know the roid allegations and all that so it makes it hard for me, but all in all I’d say jones. My favorite of all those guys was fedor hands down. I’d say he isn’t far behind jones. And what I would have loved to have seen was 2004 fedor vs 2013 jones. That would have been a hell of a fight. Gsp is close to those guys. Throw in the spider and you got your Mount Rushmore.
 
T4 is Cruz?

I like it Dom! Hang in there!

Chael should get a secret account and troll the shit out of this place. Do it man!
 
BFoe said:
He was obviously super dominant, but I think Khabib only has like 5 ranked wins. His overall resume is pretty thin, and literally every other divisional GOAT has at least double (or more) the number of ranked wins that Khabib does. I actually rank every single fighter mentioned in this poll above Khabib.
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Sure, it’s my opinion. I feel strongly about it, but this topic re-circulates over and over again, so I'm very well aware of most the talking points and opinions contrary here. I recognize all these aforementioned fighters as great fighters, and great champions so please understand I’m not saying any of them weren't or aren't, when I say what I’m about to say.

Gsp’s competition was of its time. I don’t see it as being anywhere near the level of fighter we are seeing right now at welterweight. As far as lesser blemishes go, he’s definitely the man. Aside from hard times with Bj Penn briefly, the Serra shocker, and the beating Hendricks put on him that scared him shitless, GSP was extremely dominant and probably twice cleared his weightless. The Bisping win is cool and all. It was an interesting fight, but we all know he didn't come back to fight the best Middleweights in the world. It is what it was: a good win, an exclamation point on an already great career. Cool. But I can't see GSP being able to dominate like that in the talent pool of Welterweight present. Those were much more shallow times as far as depth goes.

Fedor still has a very relevant case in his early work, as the Heavyweight landscape hasn't much grown since then. It's his post-Pride career that hurts his legacy for me. Not saying I think less of those great performances in hindsight. It's just incredibly weird how one-dimensionally he went on to perform over in Bellator. He suddenly became this under-sized, chinny, brawling headhunter looking for one-punch KOs. And we all know how poorly that worked out for him. So, that for me really just wasn't worth it for the big picture. I don't think less of him personally for it. He wanted the money or he wanted to just go brawl like a maniac. Who knows? But that was not GOAT shit is all I can say. I love Fedor. If he had retired after killing all the ex-UFC heavyweight champs in Strikeforce, he might be the man on top still, but he didn't.

And then Jones. Jones is just so incredibly talented and so troubled with every kind of problem otherwise. The drug cheat tests, the sloppy shitshow fights with light heavyweights who, on paper, really didn't even belong in the cage with him. So Jones is probably as great as Khabib ever was, if not better on his best day, but there's just so much bullshit clouding his claim that with a more consistent body of work and no real flaws, Khabib being as talented perhaps is the more outstanding option for me.

I don't care that much that he only cleaned out the division the once and then shut it down. They weren't competitive fights. And he was so damn good he even was able to build a protege who could step in and hold it down while he chilled at home. I don't think Khabib fought a weak schedule and his performance against the best that he faced showed that he was just really on a different planet from the lightweight division. There was no challenge left for him there. Those rematches weren't going to be interesting. He did the right thing. He always did the right thing, and lightweight had long been considered to be the most contentious division in the sport, just teeming with killers. I don't think it is anymore, but probably cause Khabib crushed it just that damn hard. He's still the lightweight king and he doesn't even have to fight.
 
A thread that's sure to cause no debate or controversy. Thanks for asking this like the 5,944th time, TS.
 
Loyoto Machida. Dude went the furthest with the physical attributes he had. Could you imagine Jon Jones with Machida's body? Never would have made the UFC
 
JoeRowe said:
Greatest = resume & accomplishment. Khabib doesn't even belong in the conversation as he simply didn't put in the same amount of high-level work.

The other 6 are definitely in the top pantheon level & hard to distinguish. I went Jones but I could make a case for the other 5 as well.
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Dom really shouldn't be there either. Hughes honestly has a better arguement than Khabib too.
 
filthybliss said:
Dom Cruz, Jose Aldo, and Khabib really should not be options.
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I think if we are gonna debate GOAT, any fighter that’s the GOAT of their division is in the discussion. I don’t think most people think Cruz or Aldo is the overall GOAT (people sleep on Cruz big time), but some think Khabib is. They all at least belong in the discussion.
 
BFoe said:
I think if we are gonna debate GOAT, any fighter that’s the GOAT of their division is in the discussion. I don’t think most people think Cruz or Aldo is the overall GOAT (people sleep on Cruz big time), but some think Khabib is. They all at least belong in the discussion.
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fair enough, I personally think Volk is better than Aldo at FW but for the time being Cruz is the goat at BW, though I think Omalley could surpass him.
 
filthybliss said:
fair enough, I personally think Volk is better than Aldo at FW but for the time being Cruz is the goat at BW, though I think Omalley could surpass him.
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When it comes to those kind of fantasy fights, we’ll never know unfortunately. For that reason, I try to rank on overall resume and accomplishments.

I think Cruz was so frequently injured and inactive that a lot of people don’t know or remember how good he was. Cruz at his bestbreally was masterful, so explosive, mixed wrestling in with such great timing.

 
filthybliss said:
he's a badass but nowhere in this convo.
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Depends what your criteria is. If you're allowing anyone under HW to be the best MMA of all time, which would objectively be based on wins, then you are imposing a handicap for the smaller fighters. Why shouldn't Machida get a handicap for having elite skill in an average body. If Jon Jones had Machida's physical attributes he wouldn't have sniffed the UFC.
 
Captain Herb said:
Depends what your criteria is. If you're allowing anyone under HW to be the best MMA of all time, which would objectively be based on wins, then you are imposing a handicap for the smaller fighters. Why shouldn't Machida get a handicap for having elite skill in an average body. If Jon Jones had Machida's physical attributes he wouldn't have sniffed the UFC.
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even then, I feel like there are fighters more well rounded than Machida in those domains. Bj Penn lasted 3 rounds with him despite being a lw...I think thats more impressive.
 
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