Who do you believe is the most fascinating historical figure?

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Fedor losing a single fight did not define or tarnish his entire career. By invading Russia, Hitler sowed the seeds of the Third Reich's downfall. The Nazis would eventually have lost WWII anyway once America got off it's ass, but it would have been an even longer and bloodier conflict.

Didn't Russia and Nazi Germany have a treaty not to attack each other for a while...then Hitler broke it by trying to invade Russia?
 
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Jesus for certain. When you read his words it's not immediately apparent that he was highly intelligent and yet he changed the history of the world arguably more than any other human beings in history and to this day people devote their whole lives to his teachings.

The theology around him having two natures, fully divine and fully human combined into one person is also fascinating and profound.
 
Jesus for certain. When you read his words it's not immediately apparent that he was highly intelligent and yet he changed the history of the world arguably more than any other human beings in history and to this day people devote their whole lives to his teachings.

The theology around him having two natures, fully divine and fully human combined into one person is also fascinating and profound.
Yeah but Gohan was half saiyan half human and defeated Perfect Cell.
 
Post some theology around it. I'd love to hear it.
I started on it, truly I did,...but it really is too much to write. Esp considering the crux of the story is over 15 + years.

I will just say that I reccomend you watch all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z up to and including the Cell Saga.

Gohan completing his character arc from sheltered scared boy to...

Well ya just got to see it for yourself!
 
I started on it, truly I did,...but it really is too much to write. Esp considering the crux of the story is over 15 + years.

I will just say that I reccomend you watch all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z up to and including the Cell Saga.

Gohan completing his character arc from sheltered scared boy to...

Well ya just got to see it for yourself!
Honestly man, I've heard enough about those things to think maybe I will check it out.
 
Didn't Russia and Nazi Germany have a treaty not to attack each other for a while...then Hitler broke it by trying to invade Russia?

They did. In fact, the NKVD warned Stalin that the Nazis were building up there forces on the Russian border, but he refused to believe Hitler would attack them.
 
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Fedor losing a single fight did not define or tarnish his entire career. By invading Russia, Hitler sowed the seeds of the Third Reich's downfall. The Nazis would eventually have lost WWII anyway once America got off it's ass, but it would have been an even longer and bloodier conflict.
As a fedor fan I disagree; he gets subbed by Werdum, tko by Bigfoot and then KO by Hendo all in a row? How is that not worse than Stalingrad??
 
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(1) Hitler was not a good general or admiral and did cause problems when interfering there. He was only a corporal after all. But I think his strategic decisions were largely correct. The Axis were major underdogs and they gave us a good scare. Stalingrad and Dunkirk were pretty bad though.

(2) WW1 messenger was a dangerous, important and trustworthy job. You wouldn't give it to a bad soldier. By the way I don't know about now but in the 90s the British infantry still trained you at this, in case the electronic communications were (suspected of) being listened to by the enemy or went down.

At the Nuremberg Trials, two of his former superiors testified that Hitler had refused to be considered for promotion. Hitler was twice decorated for bravery. He received the Iron Cross Second Class in 1914 and the Iron Cross First Class in 1918, an honour rarely given to a lance corporal. Hitler's First Class Iron Cross was recommended by Lieutenant Hugo Gutmann, a Jewish adjutant in the List Regiment. According to Weber, this rare award was commonly awarded to those posted to regimental headquarters, such as Hitler, who had contact with more senior officers than did combat soldiers. Hitler's Iron Cross First Class was awarded after an attack in open warfare during which messengers were indispensable and on a day in which the depleted regiment lost 60 killed and 211 wounded.

During the Battle of the Somme in October 1916 Hitler received a wound in his left thigh when a shell exploded at the entrance to the dispatch runners' dugout. He begged not to be evacuated, but was sent for almost two months to the Red Cross hospital at Beelitz in Brandenburg. Thereafter, he was ordered to the depot in Munich. He wrote to his commanding officer, Hauptmann Fritz Wiedemann, asking that he be recalled to the regiment because he could not tolerate Munich when he knew his comrades were at the Front.

Irony is where something has the opposite from intended outcome.

(2) Here are the Nuremburg IQ scores:

1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
3 Hermann Goering 138
4 Karl Doenitz 138
5 Franz von Papen 134
6 Eric Raeder 134
7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
8 Hans Fritsche 130
9 Baldur von Schirach 130
10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
12 Albert Speer 128
13 Alfred Jodl 127
14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
15 Constantin von Neurath 125
16 Walther Funk 124
17 Wilhelm Frick 124
18 Rudolf Hess 120
19 Fritz Sauckel 118
20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
21 Julius Streicher 106

(3) I can't find a mainstream academic article estimating Hitler's IQ, which is perhaps not surprising considering how politically incorrect it would be to score him highly. The closest I can find are these:
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133 - In an article linked in the above article, 'Pumpkin Person', who specialises in estimating famous people's IQs, estimated Hitler's as 133. The link is dead and the page has been deleted from the Wayback Machine.
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(4) Of course you have to consider that IQ is an overall measure and people can be for instance, good at maths but bad at verbal skills etc. Hitler was top of his class at school. His art was also legit (and if he had stuck at it he would have improved).

(5) Don't do yourselves down, 110 is more intelligent than 75% of White people, and 118 is more intelligent than 88%.

(6) As @SirRealKiller said, while Hitler could not be IQ tested as he was hiding in Argentina dead, considering the IQs of his top guys and the fact that they followed him, and what they said about him, his IQ was probably at least 130. That's conservative, most estimates in people discussing this cluster around 140.

(7) Membership of the Nazi Party maxed out at 8 million, which was about 10% of the German population. Most people weren't Nazis, most people are just NPCs who obey authority.

(8) Over a million foreigners fought with the Germans in WW2. Famously most of the final defenders of the Bunker were French SS.
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An interesting thought, would Hitler still have risen to power if the German people weren't so crippled from WWI?

Very doubtful. He won an election that was a three way pretty even split. If they had a run off with just the top two, I don't think he would have had a chance at winning that.
 
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Very doubtful. He won an election that was a three way pretty even split. If they had a run off with just the top two, I don't think he would have had a chance at winning that.
I thought he lost the election and only became Chancellor once the incumbent died. Hitler had some support in germany, but he wasnt like Reagan in the 80s.

Anyway, Hitler's policies can be seen as moronic. Lavenstraum, Aryan birth policies when he nor anyone in his admin. besides heydrich fit the Aryan look, and eugenics were all moronic and embarrassing. Seemed like a bunch of geeks.

Also most of his victims were white. Slavs, romi, gypsies, jewish, disabled, gays. Intentionally bombing English civilians. conquering and annexing europe. Looting france and the othr nationsm
 
Also in the final days goring and himmler turned on him and people tried to assassinate him for losing the war and his policies. Speer called him a doofus at Nuremburg.

Some things he did:
Conquer Russia for living space for germans.
Encouraged out of wedlock kids from Hitler youth. Told them not to worry about raising rhem, just give the kids to the state.
He was an artists. He wanted to rename Berlin germania contemplated architecure and have witnesses from around the world who he called slave states to marvel at and spread the word.
Killed people for being handicapped, gay, jewish, slav, etc.

If a politician ran on this stuff he'd probably be committed to an insane assylum.
 
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