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Crime White Supremacist Rally V.3 Aftermath

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Lowmanproblems said:
I don't understand why so many on the right are trying to place blame on the left. Yes Antifa and BLM tend to be violent, but you can't come out and condemn Neo-Nazis?

I lean center right and am far away from the current republicans, the hound man who ran his car into the crowd had no justification to do so. It doesn't matter if Antifa people were violent first. Fuck that guy and his white nataionalist friends. ANYONE attacking someone for their point of view is a shit bag.

If Antifa is being funded to disrupt the free speech of others and cause property damage, then the people paying them to do so should be held accountable for the damages.

Everyone in the middle needs to denounce all extremists movements. Don't let these idiots continue to drive a wegde between us with the extreme views.
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These people want to place blame on the left because they're racists. They like the Neo Nazi's and KKK members roaming the streets so they try to divert attention away from the real problem. That's the truth.
 
CargoKing said:
There we go, you finally got there. Now you can stop generalizing an entire group of people to criticize them for generalizing an entire group of people. Because it was spectacularly stupid and lacking in self awareness.
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If you got that from the first post then that was not what I intended.
 
Rational Poster said:
<TrumpWrong1>

I'm not taking it personally, just being honest.

You didn't correct anything.
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Actually I did. You stated that National Socialism is not the same as Socialism, and I pointed out that it had numerous socialist policies.

They believed national and social interests replaced market theories of supply and demand and were anti-capitalist. Their healthcare was single payer, they used a socialist model for education as well.

If you compare some of his other policies (gun control, pro choice, wage control), he had more in common with Bernies platform than Hillary or Trumps.
 
Edison Carasio said:
What scenario do you mean exactly by people getting hit at Trump rallies? Do you mean a counter protester getting hit at a Trump rally? Were they counter protesting across the street, or did they go up and physical invade a Trump supporter's face and scream in it? If a anti-Trumper goes and gets into a pro-Trumper's personal space screaming and beratign them then that is not right and they shouldn't do it. If the Trump person hits the anti-Trumper than I would put more responsibility on the anti-Trumper for physically invading the pro-Trumper and being hostile to them.

See, all of this isn't just black and white, right and wrong. It is a gray area where judgement might not be able to totally say this person is 100% right, or a 100% wrong.
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You guys are so willingly obtuse when it becomes convenient.

The humans who are caught up in politics should be adults and not drive cars into people or get into fights with people simply because they get agitated by them. Someone being a dick and protesting you doesn't lessen the responsibility of the violence they inflicted.
 
jrams said:


You guys are so willingly obtuse when it becomes convenient.

The humans who are caught up in politics should be adults and not drive cars into people or get into fights with people simply because they get agitated by them. Someone being a dick and protesting you doesn't lessen the responsibility of the violence they inflicted.
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So you're saying its fine to go places and do things simply for the purpose of provoking a negative reaction of someone. Cool.
 
Edison Carasio said:
So you're saying its fine to go places and do things simply for the purpose of provoking a negative reaction of someone. Cool.
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On public property, yes. That is a right that we are given as Americans. We do not hold the right to have retribution through violence.
 
BruceLeeOnTRT said:
Actually I did. You stated that National Socialism is not the same as Socialism, and I pointed out that it had numerous socialist policies.

They believed national and social interests replaced market theories of supply and demand and were anti-capitalist. Their healthcare was single payer, they used a socialist model for education as well.

If you compare some of his other policies (gun control, pro choice, wage control), he had more in common with Bernies platform than Hillary or Trumps.
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<Cage33>
 
jrams said:
On public property, yes. That is a right that we are given as Americans. We do not hold the right to have retribution through violence.
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You still won't address my question about blame and responsibility for unpleasant situation. No one is questioning right to assemble peacefully to protest a grievance.
 
jrams said:


You guys are so willingly obtuse when it becomes convenient.

The humans who are caught up in politics should be adults and not drive cars into people or get into fights with people simply because they get agitated by them. Someone being a dick and protesting you doesn't lessen the responsibility of the violence they inflicted.
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"take a look at this guy waving to the crowd"...as he sticks up both middle fingers.
 
Edison Carasio said:
You still won't address my question about blame and responsibility for unpleasant situation. No one is questioning right to assemble peacefully to protest a grievance.
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I've already said in the context of violence, the violent ones are the responsible party and hold the blame if all the other side is doing is just being a dick. We are Americans and being able to say things, no matter how mean, is our right.

Again, you are willfully obtuse when it becomes convenient.
 
Devout Pessimist said:
"I'm not exactly sure what is going on there, but guessing from previous Antifa behavior that is a group of Antifa scumbags beating up on an elderly man. What is with Antifa and beating up on old people?
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Yes, it's antifa attacking the nationalists, and it's not just one man being attacked. Look at the guy in back who clubs the guy in the back of the head and then runs away like a bitch.


...buts libs are butthurt that Trump condemned violence "on all sides."
 
Lucifer Alpha said:
Yes, it's antifa attacking the nationalists, and it's not just one man being attacked. Look at the guy in back who clubs the guy in the back of the head and then runs away like a bitch.


...buts libs are butthurt that Trump condemned violence "on all sides."
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How have you managed to avoid being banned all these years? Seriously, your trolling is blatant and, worst of all, not funny.
 
Armbars said:
so some messed up weird loner kid obsessed with the nazi's gets kicked out of the military. Took some sort of anti-psychotic drugs. (What sort of doctor prescribes shit like this to a kid?) - as a young adult hes now off the drugs? joins far-right groups end up ploughing a car into a crowd of people, killing at least one and injuring dozens more.

Where do you start with this, what a mess.
sounds like a messed up kid that never had any decent guidance, fed drugs by the doctors and failed by those around him.
It's always sad that when we start looking into the life of these extreme people there's usually neglect or abuse.
Who's monitoring people like this if they are prescribed anti-psychotic drugs? Sounds like an area that has no accountability. anti-psychotic drugs for young people never sounds like a good idea.
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There was a real push on the right a few years ago to blame mass shootings on anti-psychotic drugs. When people really looked at the numbers it turned out not to be true.
 
HomerThompson said:
How have you managed to avoid being banned all these years? Seriously, your trolling is blatant and, worst of all, not funny.
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Your response is almost as strange as that dude who brought up Mighty Mouse. I guess you realize there's no defending the actions in that gif so you have to go straight to the name calling.

If only you had real principles...
 
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