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Which win was greater for legacy - GSP's over Bisping, or Jones' over Gane?

Jones by far, and it's embarrassing to suggest otherwise.


Anyone who is honest and actually was watching during that time knows Bisping wouldn't be favored against almost the entire top 10 of his weight class.

Romero would've smoked him
Whitaker would've smoked him
Mousasi would've smoked him
Weidman would've smoked him
Jacare would've smoked him
Luke had already smoked him, and would be heavily favored in a third fight
Anderson fought him tooth and nail in a fight many believe he threw away when he could've easily followed up and finished a dazed and concussed Bisping.
Gastelum retired him easily


This is not to say Bisping wasn't a good fighter, because he was. But the 2017 version of Bisping was a shell of himself and hardly got past Hendo who wasn't even top 10. His championship reign was a miracle, GSP knew this and soundly beat him even coming off a major layoff.

Gane is legitimately a top 3 HW of this era and has only loss to the arguable GOAT UFC HW in Ngannou and the GOAT LHW in Jon Jones. Outside of those two fights he has outclassed every single person he has ever fought. He is a remarkable HW striker and is coming off one of the most dominant HW wins we've seen in years against Spivac, where he shut him out 109 to 11 in strikes. This should not be a debate, Bisping himself would tell you he was a broken fighter in 2017, he couldn't even see out of one of his eyes!!!

The god honest truth is that it's a travesty that Bisping was even allowed to fight in 2017, he himself has admitted he was able to pass vision tests only because of complete negligence from staff. GSP said that he knew Bisping could only see from one side, the whole thing was pretty gross and shady.
 
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Gane was the #1 ranked HW in the UFC and arguably should’ve been champ at the time after his close loss to Ngannou he arguably won and subsequent rebound win.

Bisping was champ while there was an interim and he arguably lost his defence against a 47 year old who was like #14.

People just like downplaying Jones
 
gosuasus said:
DC's win over Stipe is better than both. Penn's over prime Hughes too.

I don't look at these wins as anything significant in Jones' nor GSP's careers.
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What does that say about both those guys who couldn’t beat either then?

Hard to get a better win when you’re the best guy and not 2nd fiddle.

Clown
 
Gamer007 said:
Jones by far, and it's embarrassing to suggest otherwise.


Anyone who is honest and actually was watching during that time knows Bisping wouldn't be favored against almost the entire top 10 of his weight class.

Romero would've smoked him
Whitaker would've smoked him
Mousasi would've smoked him
Weidman would've smoked him
Jacare would've smoked him
Luke had already smoked him, and would be heavily favored in a third fight
Anderson fought him tooth and nail in a fight many believe he threw away when he could've easily followed up and finished a dazed and concussed Bisping.
Gastelum retired him easily


This is not to say Bisping wasn't a good fighter, because he was. But the 2017 version of Bisping was a shell of himself and hardly got past Hendo who wasn't even top 10. His championship reign was a miracle, GSP knew this and soundly beat him even coming off a major layoff.

Gane is legitimately a top 3 HW of this era and has only loss to the arguable GOAT UFC HW in Ngannou and the GOAT LHW in Jon Jones. Outside of those two fights he has outclassed every single person he has ever fought. He is a remarkable HW striker and is coming off one of the most dominant HW wins we've seen in years against Spivac, where he shut him out 109 to 11 in strikes. This should not be a debate, Bisping himself would tell you he was a broken fighter in 2017, he couldn't even see out of one of his eyes!!!

The god honest truth is that it's a travesty that Bisping was even allowed to fight in 2017, he himself has admitted he was able to pass vision tests only because of complete negligence from staff. GSP said that he knew Bisping could only see from one side, the whole thing was pretty gross and shady.
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This was a straight up comparison about a "lower class fighter" moving directly into a single title fight against a "bigger man". This isn't about who else in the division can beat the same champ as the smaller guy who moved up.

And why not do a breakdown on Jones vs. the other top-10 HW's? Jones' chin has never even really been tested at HW, by HW's, so if someone tells me he's the legitimate best HW on the planet, sorry, not buying it. At least Bisping fought at MW and LHW for years, and not just cherry-pick one of 10 HW's.

Absolutely EVERYONE wants to see Jones fight guys his size and against the best, his fans and his haters included. It's only Dana-dickriders and Jones' fans and apologists that try to justify Jon's title fight with Stipe. Every intelligent MMA fan sees it for what it is.

GSP fought a physically bigger, more well-rounded fighter in Bisping than Jones did in Gane. Bisping debuted at LHW and has a who's who of names on his resume. Hell, Bisping has more TKO's alone than Gane does career fights. There was history in training between GSP and Bisping in the past. Bisping didn't like that GSP could outgrapple him even though he was smaller. GSP moved up a weight class, Jones ate some fucking pasta and fought a man his own size.

GSP said for years he was too small for MW, and everyone talked shit about him, saying he was scared of Silva. He takes 4 years off, comes back visibly smaller than Bisping, and still chokes out and finishes the MW champ. GSP has ALWAYS been more aggressive and fought differently as a challenger than he did as a champ.

But a LHW guy who's 6'4" and walks around about 230lbs takes 3 years to get big enough to fight at HW is a fucking hero for beating a cherry-picked opponent? GTFO. Jones won a vacant title, GSP beat the champ. Jones fans can hate facts, but it is what it is.

A Jon Jones-sized version of GSP would smoke Prime Jones all-day every day, and he'd do it without eye pokes, oblique kicks or any special sauce.
 
Bisping was more proven and going from 170 to 185 is more difficult than going from 235(205) to 248
 
About equal.

I guess Bisping was a champion, so maybe a hair higher.

Stipe doesn't count for anything.
 
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Some claim that Gane is a better fighter than Bisping and was closer to conventional prime years. On the other hand, Bisping was the lineal MW champ riding a 5 fight win streak, while Gane was in fact not champ at all and had just lost to the former champ 2 fights ago. Which win do you consider greater for the legacy of either guy?

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Brother it's on different universes. Jon can finish Gane, Stipe and Poatan that it still doesn't compare to that GSP win and it's not close.

GSP proved he was the best MW in the world. Jon doesn't even prove that he is HW 2.

You need to compare Jon Jones win vs Gane to Anderson vs Griffin. That is a comparison. Both guys coming off a loss vs the undisputed champion. Jones legacy at HW is not comparable to any double champion it's on a completely different level and much more similar to Anderson run at LHW.
 
The Bisping hate is unreal. Go back and take a look at his record. Bisping was a way worse match up for GSP than Gane was for Jones.
 
At this point, the subjective bias towards the GSP fans of this forum are so bad, I think you can honestly make a thread "Who is a better finisher and kickboxer: Periera or GSP" and I won't be surprised how many people would say GSP.
 
gosuasus said:
DC's win over Stipe is better than both. Penn's over prime Hughes too.
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Wasn't DC's win over Stipe heavily based on getting a finish off an eye poke? I didn't see it but I've been told something like that
 
The Bisping disrespect is wild. Dude won a title with one eye and never did steroids. + he won the title against the next generation of fighters at the time. Then went back to his generation and avenged his brutal ko loss before Kelvin murked his ass.

Gane hasn't achieved anything. HW is a horrible division. He had 2 cracks at the title and lost against real competition.

GSP beat a real champion. Jon and Gane weren't even champs going into it.
 
Gane isn't even a champ and nearly got KO'ed by Can Tuivasa ffs.

At least Bisping was the legitimate champion
 
GSP because he beat someone who actually won the belt and didn't get the luxury of handpicking a non-champion who was most vulnerable to his strengths.
 
MindGamingMantis said:
GSP beat a real champion. Jon and Gane weren't even champs going into it.
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MGM, good job. Short and simple wording, no other way to see it.​

HW is the worst it's EVER Been in ufc history - Reality is that Dana made it so.

Double speak and shill-speak belongs in Orwell's 1984. Jones is a coward.
 
Neither were impressive wins and neither did anything for their legacy. Jones fought a dude that was playing video games 24/7 while in a world ea sports championship instead of training mma and Bisping was terrible.
 
Honestly, Gane would probably beat tom
 
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