Which is more likely to happen - To see a fighter like Fedor in the future or to see a fighter like Jon Jones in the future?

[Ludwig von Mises]

Neither.


Both Jones and Fedor are once in a century fighters.

 

[Dobymick]

Nothing will happen

 

[seanb1979]

Jones fought against past prime legends and ducked his natural weight class of HW to fight much smaller fighters, plus he juices to the neck and eyeballs and had youth on his side.

Fedor fought at HW as a mini HW that modern WW/MW cut from and showed insane speed and power.

They are different breeds, one cheats and picks and chooses, the other doesn’t give a fuck, that being Fedor.

Jones fought plenty of guys who were peaking and in their prime.

 

[SuperNerd]

I think we can see more athletic versions of Jones in the future, who apply similar tactics with similar builds.

I'm not sure anyone is giving EPO to heavyweights in the future, but I really hope so.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Not even a champion yet. Should be, but he is not.

Potentially.

 

[orca]

Fedor had 23 fights in his first 4 years as a fighter and another 30+ fights in full contact combat sambo during that time.

You're one of those clowns who think Jose Aldo was still in his prime at 33 years old.

Imbeciles like you simply don't understand that a fighter who's been fighting as a pro since he was 20 years old isn't the same kind of 33 year old who who started fighting as a pro at 27.

Clowns like you usually never trained a day in their life and don't understand how an athlete ages and accumulates wear and tear. People become dumber after reading your posts.

Strikeforce Fedor in 2011 wasn't 2003-2005 Fedor. That would be like saying Conor of today is the same guy he was in 2016.

Noob low iq posting from noobs who don't know sheet.

fedors resume is kinda like khabibs

90 percent consists of japanese pro wrestlers
biggest wins nog and cro cop
JDS CAIN NGANOU and many more could wipe out the entire pride HW
and still be in prime

sir theres a statistics that prime age of UFC LHW fighters in jones era
was 32 - 33 years old

are you trying to hate facts?
because these are facts
you can hate me
but facts doesnt care about your opinions sir
you should be angry at facts not me sir

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

fedors resume is kinda like khabibs

90 percent consists of japanese pro wrestlers
biggest wins nog and cro cop
JDS CAIN NGANOU and many more could wipe out the entire pride HW
and still be in prime

sir theres a statistics that prime age of UFC LHW fighters in jones era
was 32 - 33 years old

are you trying to hate facts?
because these are facts
you can hate me
but facts doesnt care about your opinions sir
you should be angry at facts not me sir

My thoughts are that you're a third world villager who lives in a place where many don't have access to running water. On top of being an impoverished villager from a third world country where many don't have access to running water, you haven't been watching MMA for long enough to make respectable claims about all time great fighters. You simply lack the knowledge and proper metrics it takes to compare GOATs.

 

[wildchild88]

Fedor is actually from the future.

He was sent back in time from a dystopian super city where slaves and the lower classes are forced to fight to the death in futuristic Arena death matches.

He was the champion in 2099.

 

[Lycandroid]

Fedor didn't need to be as good as Jon Jones is to dominate during his era. So we are much more like to see another Fedor than Jones, infact we have seen multiple Fedors at this point. Nick Diaz actually had a run in with Two Fedors

 

[Gamer2k4]

Jones fought against past prime legends and ducked his natural weight class of HW to fight much smaller fighters, plus he juices to the neck and eyeballs and had youth on his side.

A sizeable chunk of Jones's opponents were former or future heavyweights, and many of them weighed more than he did. And the "youth on his side" argument is just laughable. If he had only ever won against fighters younger than him, you would have complained that he had experience on his side.

 

[Memnok]

Both are incredible athletes and extraordinarily unique.

One is 6'5" with incredible reach and excellent overall skill sets. With a super high IQ.

The other is small in stature but fights like someone 4 x bigger than he is. With incredible speed and power and amazing well rounded skill set.

Can you see a future fighter similar to these extraordinary guys?

Both fighters are a very rare combination of talent and physical abilities. I would however say that we are more likely to see someone with Jones' physical ability, a really tall and strong athlete that can make LHW without totally draining himself. Fedors speed and strenght for his size is much more rare in my opinon, especially considering that he probably would have made LHW instead of competing against the much larger HWs.

Also I would say that Jones has high fight IQ but his actions outside of the cage point to a lack of impulse control, something associated with low overall IQ.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Lmao..

You mean if you let fighters roid like Jones?

What a ridiculous question, imo.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Robelis Despaigne is Jones without wrestling.

Probably you won't see fighters as short as Fedor at HW or LHW.
He has the height of a modern WW.

Maybe Islanders but that's about it

 

[Iroh]

Are we taking about achievements and fighting ability only? or also their controversies and behavior's outside the Octagon and the hate they stir among MMA fans?
If we include both, I don't think we will see someone like Jones

To be fair, then you should also counter it with if the fans will love a hypothetical future fighter as much as Fedor is loved.

 

[moreorless87]

Jones fought against past prime legends and ducked his natural weight class of HW to fight much smaller fighters, plus he juices to the neck and eyeballs and had youth on his side.

Fedor fought at HW as a mini HW that modern WW/MW cut from and showed insane speed and power.

They are different breeds, one cheats and picks and chooses, the other doesn’t give a fuck, that being Fedor.

To be fair I think when you get past the mid 00's your going to be facing some past prime fighters in most divisions, Jones definitely isnt alone in that.

The big advantage I think he did have though is he came along whilst LHW was still a pretty small division. Historically guys who could have made 185lbs like Rashad, Machida and arguably Shogun went to 205lbs instead because the money/fame was greater. Post Jones that really doesnt happen much anymore, even someone like Alex who fought at 185lbs is clearly bigger than guys like Rashad or Machida. This resulted in Jones had BIG size advantage, arguably over 1 divisions difference by todays standards, a massive LHW against normal sized MWs.

I think Jones has been very strongly favoured by the promoter and by judges as well, he's had three fights which were very close and won all of them, Fedor only had one close fight during his run vs Arona and that was months into his career.

The circumstances that led to Jones sucess, that BIG size advantage, getting away with palming peoples faces, the favourable judging and promoting I think is unlikely to be replicated but I think as a fighter its less likely we'll see another Fedor.

For one thing top level(maybe not the very top but top 3 in Russia is pretty elite) Judoka still do not switch to MMA in their prime very often but also I think its very rare such a fighter will both turn out to have great ability as a striker and also that he will be trained in a similar fashion, not in a simplified modern MMA fashion.

You look at the way Fedor fought and really very few fighters do anything that similar, the chained grappling is rare and the amount of head/hip movement is even rarer.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

At the very least it will be a long while before anyone comes close to the sheer length of Fedors win streak, you could even argue no one will ever surpass it due to how MMA matching has changed. Fedor has around 10-12 very good wins, while the rest are padding to an extent against lower level competition as compared to todays standards. He was also a very special athlete with a tough upbringing in 1990's Russia, which experienced the sharpest decline in life expectancy during peacetime in recorded history after the dissolvement of the Soviet Union during that decade.
He once said early in his career that every time he fought he thought of his family and the struggles he went through, and that the man across from him was going to take food out of his family's mouth, and he wouldn't let that happen.

He trained with tires with his brother outside or in parks, not fancy gyms and PI institutes.
He had great respect and sportsmanship but was also a cold killer. His speed at HW is still unmatched although some are close.
He also fought in an org with a ruleset that today's premier org [UFC] doesn't use, and fought in Grand Prix's.

So suffice to say he was a rare and special talent from a specific time in history.
BUT I voted Fedor, because Aspinall while not being as impressive is CLOSE in terms of athletic ability and speed as well as power, and I do think we are starting to see new breeds of HW's.

Ciryl Gane is nothing compared to Fedor obviously, BUT if someone like Cyril Gane trained at a young age and was motivated, hungry, and special, they'd reach near Fedor heights.

Meanwhile LHW is at an all time low even more so then HW, Potan has no one but Ankalaev to face. Potan himself is representative of this decline, a very limited Kick boxing champion with very few MMA fights coming in and dominating.
Even more so then the HW division, LHW just isn't elite enough for a Jon Jones like run. In Fedors time the cream of the crop at HW was more elite then today, but the vast majority of HW's were still brawlers, fat guys etc. LHW was killers all the way down though just before and during Jone's peak. In Jone's era and division you had to be much more of a complete fighter, And Jon Jones is perhaps the most complete fighter of all time.
Lastly Jones had the ability to be much more unorthodox then someone like Fedor. Unorthodox high level fighters are extremely rare, especially in the modern era.

Additionally LHW fights last longer, there's more technique involved, there's more ways to lose .
Yes in HW it's the power, title runs are very short usually, but that also means you can win quick, and if a guy has the speed of Fedor (or close to it) you could absolutely go on a tear against these guys.

I don't think you'll ever quite get someone with the win streak of either in our lifetimes, but you'll see a legendary fighter like Fedor at HW (Aspinall, a Ciryl Gane clone 2.0 ) before you will see a crazy unorthodox talent like Jon Jones at LHW. The man would party with cocaine and then a week later beat a guy like DC, fighters like that are ultra rare.

Very well said.

 

[ForeverYoung]

Fedor had 23 fights in his first 4 years as a fighter and another 30+ fights in full contact combat sambo during that time.

You're one of those clowns who think Jose Aldo was still in his prime at 33 years old.

Imbeciles like you simply don't understand that a fighter who's been fighting as a pro since he was 20 years old isn't the same kind of 33 year old who who started fighting as a pro at 27.

Clowns like you usually never trained a day in their life and don't understand how an athlete ages and accumulates wear and tear. People become dumber after reading your posts.

Strikeforce Fedor in 2011 wasn't 2003-2005 Fedor. That would be like saying Conor of today is the same guy he was in 2016.

Noob low iq posting from noobs who don't know sheet.

Just about every fighter than makes it to the top level has been training and competing their entire lives. Izzy has 100+ fights he didn't completely fall off at thirty like 90% of the guys from Pride. Either those dudes couldn't access the same juice they were on in Japan or the Aliens from SpaceJam randomly came and stole their talent.

 

[ForeverYoung]

To be fair I think when you get past the mid 00's your going to be facing some past prime fighters in most divisions, Jones definitely isnt alone in that.

The big advantage I think he did have though is he came along whilst LHW was still a pretty small division. Historically guys who could have made 185lbs like Rashad, Machida and arguably Shogun went to 205lbs instead because the money/fame was greater. Post Jones that really doesnt happen much anymore, even someone like Alex who fought at 185lbs is clearly bigger than guys like Rashad or Machida. This resulted in Jones had BIG size advantage, arguably over 1 divisions difference by todays standards, a massive LHW against normal sized MWs.

I think Jones has been very strongly favoured by the promoter and by judges as well, he's had three fights which were very close and won all of them, Fedor only had one close fight during his run vs Arona and that was months into his career.

The circumstances that led to Jones sucess, that BIG size advantage, getting away with palming peoples faces, the favourable judging and promoting I think is unlikely to be replicated but I think as a fighter its less likely we'll see another Fedor.

For one thing top level(maybe not the very top but top 3 in Russia is pretty elite) Judoka still do not switch to MMA in their prime very often but also I think its very rare such a fighter will both turn out to have great ability as a striker and also that he will be trained in a similar fashion, not in a simplified modern MMA fashion.

You look at the way Fedor fought and really very few fighters do anything that similar, the chained grappling is rare and the amount of head/hip movement is even rarer.

How are you talking about Jones having a size advantage when half the people Fedor fought at HEAVYWEIGHT would be 185/170 pounders today lmfao. The only real fighters Fedor that were bigger than him in his prime were Big Nog and Semmy Schilt.

 

[ForeverYoung]

We've seen 25,000 Fedors already at this point. Go to a regional MMA show guaranteed you see 5 guys who throw hooks and wrestle just like him.

 

[moreorless87]

How are you talking about Jones having a size advantage when half the people Fedor fought at HEAVYWEIGHT would be 185/170 pounders today lmfao. The only real fighters Fedor that were bigger than him in his prime were Big Nog and Semmy Schilt.

Semmy, Herring, Arlovski, Sylvia, Hunt, Fujita, etc.

Its telling that Fedor beating someone like Lindland gets shit on as a win but the size difference there was significantly less than Jones vs Machida or Rashad.