Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[pankrat]

Got it. Basically my counter argument to that would be that this feat is impressive in and of itself; competing at a high level in the premier org and getting that kind of run means something on its own. How many top ten wins he got I would categorize as another argument entirely.

I don’t know how many times I need to say that I’m not biased here, but apparently at least one more lol. I hold Silva in the highest possible regard, and there are a lot of arguments I see against his greatness that I do think are based on bias. Downplaying his win over Forrest, for instance, is a big one. Jumping on him popping hot in his 40s after breaking his leg is another.

I see the same sort of thing directed at GSP. Tapping to strikes, fighting “undersized” opponents, beating one dimensional fighters. I don’t think any of these types of arguments serve us well as fans of this sport. I’m of the mind that both should be celebrated for their greatness, and we need not tear down the other in order to do that. I’m making the most objective possible argument to support my position because that’s what I’m basing my position on; not the other way around. That would be bias.

We simply happen to disagree about the best methodology for this particular test, and hence disagree about the results.

Fitch's body of work was 13-3-1 (8-0 in UFC)

Okami's body of work was 27-5 (10-2 in UFC) with more ranked wins on it.


You saying Fitch was "easily" better only because this number is higher than this other number without addressing actual quality of competition behind those numbers is biased/dishonest. Period. And you know it.

Jeremy Horn was 30-2 with several ranked wins when he faced Anderson Silva. Do you hype him up around the "accumulation"? No, you don't. You didnt even mention him when listing Silva's wins, not even in Tier 4 .
That's bias, mate

- Okami had more ranked wins in his run than Fitch.
- You say ranked wins dont matter.
- I tell you ok, forget about the rank attached to their name. Let's address actual quality of competition regardless of the rank.
- Then you come up with Burkman as a legit win while labelling Swick as "journeyman at best"

Dude, the bias is all over the place. Please be honest.

 

[pankrat]

He fought those fights @205lb’s does the name Mike Pyle LHW fighter of many years. The dude is massive. He downed prime Bigfoot in a HW fight. Talk about just looking shit up and not having any understanding.

This guy confuses Mike Kyle with Myke Pyle while accusing people of "looking shit up and not having any understanding"

Dude, have a bit of respect for yourself, get a hobby or ar a woman and stop pretending you know shit in a mma forum

 

[pankrat]

People forget how good Diego used to be. Those fights with Karo and Nick are classics.

Nobody forgets that
It happens that some of you remember it fondly, while at the same overlook that Okami UD Nate Marquard in a tittle eliminator.

Marquardt who had KOed Maia, Kampmann, Palhares as well as beating Misaki among others, and then went to KTFO Woodley.

Marquardt was higher ranked than Sanchez (this is not an opinion, it's what it is) and at least a comparable opponent to Sanchez by any measure. And UD > SD

Nobody is discrediting Fich here. It's some of you fanboys just writing off Okami and all his accomplishment to suit your narrative.

 

[HavokHarmon]

Fitch's body of work was 13-3-1 (8-0 in UFC)

Okami's body of work was 27-5 (10-2 in UFC) with more ranked wins on it.


You saying Fitch was "easily" better only because this number is higher than this other number without addressing actual quality of competition behind those numbers is biased/dishonest. Period. And you know it.

Jeremy Horn was 30-2 with several ranked wins when he faced Anderson Silva. Do you hype him up around the "accumulation"? No, you don't. You didnt even mention him when listing Silva's wins, not even in Tier 4 .
That's bias, mate

- Okami had more ranked wins in his run than Fitch.
- You say ranked wins dont matter.
- I tell you ok, forget about the rank attached to their name. Let's address actual quality of competition regardless of the rank.
- Then you come up with Burkman as a legit win while labelling Swick as "journeyman at best"

Dude, the bias is all over the place. Please be honest.

Dont know if you r a GSP fanboy or a Silva hater or anything. Maybe you just liked Fitch for some reason or just disliked Okami. Or simply like to stubbornly keep your stance disregarding the facts presented to you. Either way, your arguments, as exposed in this and previous posts, scream bias all over the place.

I feel like I’ve explained this a few different times in a few different ways, but I can go ahead and do it again if you’d like: I’m a huge fan of both GSP and Silva. I see them both as the gold standard for champions, and their respective reigns were the golden age of mma for me.

I remember watching Silva come in and absolutely destroy Chris Leben when he was n his way to a title shot. My cousin and I watched it together and after it was over we just looked at each other with our jaws on the floor, like “what the fuck did I just watch?”. I remember being at the bar to watch his fight with Forrest and hearing the entire place boo him during his walkout and cheer Forrest during his. After getting absolutely crushed the entire place was so quiet you could hear a pin drop, while I just smirked to myself and thought “whelp, that’s watcha get”. I think it was around the time of the Bonnar fight when it really dawned on me that I was incredibly lucky just to get to be a fan during his run as champion, and that I really needed to soak in every moment of his time at the top because I may not ever get to witness anything like this ever again.

So no, I’m definitely not a Silva hater. If anything I’m a longtime fan. And as such I’ve tried to be as objective and charitable as possible when dealing with your arguments. Subjectively? I think you’re out of your damn mind to argue that Okami has similar value as a win to Fitch. I think it’s a thinly veiled attempt to either elevate a win of Silva’s artificially so that you can make the case that he has better wins than GSP, or its an attempt to downplay the value of GSPs win over Fitch in order to accomplish basically the same goal. Or it might be both.

However, I can’t read your mind anymore than you can read mine, so in the context of our conversation I’ve refrained from passing such judgement and subsequent aspersions with respect to your take on the matter. And ultimately I respect your attempt to make a coherent argument out of it.

 

[pankrat]

I feel like I’ve explained this a few different times in a few different ways, but I can go ahead and do it again if you’d like: I’m a huge fan of both GSP and Silva. I see them both as the gold standard for champions, and their respective reigns were the golden age of mma for me.

I remember watching Silva come in and absolutely destroy Chris Leben when he was n his way to a title shot. My cousin and I watched it together and after it was over we just looked at each other with our jaws on the floor, like “what the fuck did I just watch?”. I remember being at the bar to watch his fight with Forrest and hearing the entire place boo him during his walkout and cheer Forrest during his. After getting absolutely crushed the entire place was so quiet you could hear a pin drop, while I just smirked to myself and thought “whelp, that’s watcha get”. I think it was around the time of the Bonnar fight when it really dawned on me that I was incredibly lucky just to get to be a fan during his run as champion, and that I really needed to soak in every moment of his time at the top because I may not ever get to witness anything like this ever again.

So no, I’m definitely not a Silva hater. If anything I’m a longtime fan. And as such I’ve tried to be as objective and charitable as possible when dealing with your arguments. Subjectively? I think you’re out of your damn mind to argue that Okami has similar value as a win to Fitch. I think it’s a thinly veiled attempt to either elevate a win of Silva’s artificially so that you can make the case that he has better wins than GSP, or its an attempt to downplay the value of GSPs win over Fitch in order to accomplish basically the same goal. Or it might be both.

However, I can’t read your mind anymore than you can read mine, so in the context of our conversation I’ve refrained from passing such judgement and subsequent aspersions with respect to your take on the matter. And ultimately I respect your attempt to make a coherent argument out of it.

I dont think you are a Silva hater. Maybe you just liked Fitch or disliked Okami. I dont know. I dont make any assumption in that regard.
I point out bias in your arguments and I back up such accusation. Simple as that.

From the examples of Jeremy Horn and Burkman/Swick, to your refusal to take the Joslin or Shields fights for what they were, to the different measure stick when assessing quantity > quality, etc, are clear examples of it.
If you do it because you are fanboy/hater of somebody I dont know but I dont accuse you of it anyways.

Saying a win over Okami has similar value than Fitch, especially at the moment of the fights and considering the referee had to actually to stop on fight and not the other, is certainly reasonable

It's reasonable according to any objective criteria you want to look at: rankings, records, and odds. Even most of the posters who shared your stance acknowledged that is close and debatable.

You can say "Im out of my damn mind arguing that Okami had similar value than Fitch" but when every objective measure refflects that it was, at the very least, certainly arguable, your hyperbole statement (out of your damn mind for even sugges it) only shows again how heaviliy biased you are here, dont make mistake

 

[HavokHarmon]

I dont think you are a Silva hater. Maybe you just liked Fitch or disliked Okami. I dont know. I dont make any assumption in that regard.
I point out bias in your arguments and I back up such accusation. Simple as that.

From the examples of Jeremy Horn and Burkman/Swick, to your refusal to take the Joslin or Shields fights for what they were, to the different measure stick when assessing quantity > quality, etc, are clear examples of it.
If you do it because you are fanboy/hater of somebody I dont know but I dont accuse you of it anyways.

Saying a win over Okami has similar value than Fitch, especially at the moment of the fights and considering the referee had to actually to stop the fight, is certainly reasonable

It's reasonable according to rankings, records, and odds. And even most of the posters who share your stance acknowledge that is close and debatable.

You can say "Im out of my damn mind arguing that Okami had similar value than Fitch" but when every objective measure refflects that it was, at the very least, certainly arguable, that's hyperbole statement (out of your damn mind to for even sugges it) only shows again how heaviliy biased you are here, dont make mistake

Nope. Not either of those. I just measure it differently. You’re looking for reductio ad absurdums in my logic where they don’t exist. Try steel manning instead of straw manning and I think you’ll find yourself closer to my actual argument than you currently find yourself.

 

[pankrat]

Nope. Not either of those. I just measure it differently. You’re looking for reductio ad absurdums in my logic where they don’t exist. Try steel manning instead of straw manning and I think you’ll find yourself closer to my actual argument than you currently find yourself.

I would tell you to stop with the vague generalizations and point out whats false in what I said

And yeah, you saying "Im out of my damn mind arguing that Okami had similar value than Fitch" when every objective measure refflects that it was, at the very least, certainly arguable, makes your hyperbole statement yet again another clear example of you not being objecive nor unbiased.

 

[Fioretti]

Got it. Basically my counter argument to that would be that this feat is impressive in and of itself; competing at a high level in the premier org and getting that kind of run means something on its own. How many top ten wins he got I would categorize as another argument entirely.

I don’t know how many times I need to say that I’m not biased here, but apparently at least one more lol. I hold Silva in the highest possible regard, and there are a lot of arguments I see against his greatness that I do think are based on bias. Downplaying his win over Forrest, for instance, is a big one. Jumping on him popping hot in his 40s after breaking his leg is another.

I see the same sort of thing directed at GSP. Tapping to strikes, fighting “undersized” opponents, beating one dimensional fighters. I don’t think any of these types of arguments serve us well as fans of this sport. I’m of the mind that both should be celebrated for their greatness, and we need not tear down the other in order to do that. I’m making the most objective possible argument to support my position because that’s what I’m basing my position on; not the other way around. That would be bias.

We simply happen to disagree about the best methodology for this particular test, and hence disagree about the results.

The "competing at a high level in the premier org" part is a bit of a stretch when he's not competing against the top guys. He was competing at a mediocre level in the premier org, and only won 50% of his fights against higher level (top 10) opponents. I understand and agree that a 16 fight streak is impressive, no doubt, but I guess I have to say it again....context matters. 14 straight unranked wins, 1 top 10 win, and then another unranked win to get a title shot is context that actually matters. How would top 10 wins be categorized as another argument when we're talking about the quality of opponent he was at the time of his title shot? Since we are comparing a 7 minute flawless KO to a lopsided 5 round decision, the only argument to be made for the Fitch win being "better" or "more impressive" is that Fitch was such a higher caliber opponent that decisioning him eclipses knocking out Okami half way through the second round. That's literally the premise of the thread. To show how much better Fitch was than Okami, in terms of quality, to justify it being not only a better win, but a better overall performance. In order to properly evaluate or assess these two fighters' "quality", top 10 wins has to be considered. How else do you gauge this in MMA? Win streak only? A selective portion of their careers before and after the fight? No, man. You look at where each guy was when they got their title shot, what their records were, what they had accomplished at that point, who they beat, and how often they were finished. Since Okami had over 50% more experience than Fitch at the time, we can also look at where each guy was at in both points of their career (Okami when he was 22 fights in, Fitch when he was 32 fights in) - I did all of that a while ago in this thread, look back if you need to. There's no case for Fitch. I like this part: "making the most objective possible argument to support my position". Well, there's a few things wrong with that sentence. First, it appears you're trying to justify your position by carefully selecting a portion of Fitch's career and then use targeted phrasing to intentionally mislead others believe your position is valid or true. Second, I don't believe it's objective. He was 19-2 with 1 NC when he faced GSP. He was on a 16 fight win streak where he faced only one top 10 guy and won by split decision, then beat an unranked fighter making his UFC debut to win his title shot. He had been finished in 100% of losses and wasn't even a ranked fighter himself for a full year yet. That, my friend, is facts. That is an objective and non-biased assessment of where Fitch was at in his career when he fought GSP for the title. Most importantly, the fact that you're "making an argument to support a position" (your own words) means you're biased. A proper, objective, and non-biased assessment doesn't require an argument to support a position. It requires objective facts to support the outcome. I hope you can understand the difference.

 

[Fioretti]

Nobody forgets that
It happens that some of you remember it fondly, while at the same overlook that Okami UD Nate Marquard in a tittle eliminator.

Marquardt who had KOed Maia, Kampmann, Palhares as well as beating Misaki among others, and then went to KTFO Woodley.

Marquardt was higher ranked than Sanchez (this is not an opinion, it's what it is) and at least a comparable opponent to Sanchez by any measure. And UD > SD

Nobody is discrediting Fich here. It's some of you fanboys just writing off Okami and all his accomplishment to suit your narrative.

To say that Diego Sanchez is "comparable" to Nate Marquardt is very generous. Let's not forget that when Fitch beat Sanchez by split decision, he was coming off a loss to an unranked Koscheck. The fact that Diego was ranked #5 to begin with is kind of a joke. Kos was 9-1 at the time and a relative newcomer to MMA. Diego did have impressive fights against Riggs and Kao, for sure, but he was also greased to the gills against Diaz not long before that. The fact that he was coming off a loss to an unranked fighter when Fitch beat him hasn't really been mentioned here too often. Seems to be overlooked.

Marquardt, on the other hand, fought Okami in his 42nd professional MMA fight, and had been ranked top 5 for quite some time. Multi-time, multi-weight champion in many different orgs, and a UFC title contender with a fairly high finishing rate. He was coming off a win over Paul Harris when he fought Okami, and was the first guy to stop that lunatic in a fight. Nate was by far the better and more accomplished win, yet I do agree that Diego was to be taken more seriously at that particular point in time than he is now.

 

[pankrat]

Honestly, they're close. I'm biased towards GSP and voted for him.
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I voted Silva but I appreciate that you acknowledge it's debatable.
Many dishonest posters around here pretending isnt even a discussion.

Honestly, they're close. I'm biased towards GSP and voted for him.

If you look at it from the fights alone, I'd say Silva. Okami came at him aggressive in round 1 and could do literally nothing, with Silva showing him who was the boss by rocking him bad at the end of the round. Then he finished him in round 2.
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Okami indeed went out aggressively (landed the same amount of strikes in 7 minuts than Maia/Leites in 50 minuts combined) and managed to force the clinch.

The most impressive aspect of the fight imo was the way Silva handled Okami's clinch.
There was a moment when Yushin got to lock his hands in that over-under tie, his strongest position, a position where - according to Sonnen, Boetsch, Muñoz, Swick among many others - Okami was extremely strong and hard to deal with, yet Anderson quickly broke his grip, made him pay with a solid knee to the body forcing Okami to break the clinch.

From that point, I knew Slva was going to put a master piece.

GSP vs Fitch showed how deep his skillet was in literally everything. It highlighted how far ahead he was of the division in every way. But it didn't have the same impact to me as Silva's did.
i.

It was an all-around awesome performance by GSP, where Fitch also showed to be as tough as they come.
Fitch himself admitted that he was not fully prepared at the time, with still almost no standup training at that point in his career, according to him.
I obviously dont think he would win a rematch but I do think he would have offered a bit more than toughness had he gotten a rematch some years down the road.

The reason I go with GSP was the longevity of Fitch after that fight. Fitch went years without another loss. And even after that, he still put some solid wins together late in his career. Fitch likely would have been champ if GSP wasn't in that division. Idk of I'd say the same for Okami.

In my opinion Fitch, even if he was arguably slighty superior caliber of opponent than Okami, it wasnt by any means by a large margin, especially at the particular time they fought for the tittle.

Therefore I voted Silva because I reward Anderson's ability to finish fights, which is a product of him willing to take risks in order to put opponents in positions where he can apply a finihing technique AND his superior ability at succesfully applying finishing techniques, at range, clinch or the ground

I do think Silva had a clear edge over GSP under these two fundamental aspects of fighting, even though he was inferior in some others.

Said that, I respect your stance and I think i's reasonable. Even if you admit to be biased towards GSP, I appreciate a solid, honest post

 

[AB234]

Fact: Jeff Joslin was unranked. Fitch tapped to a submission, ref broke the fight then restarted it in one of the most gross referee mistakes in the history of the sport. It was still a highly controversial split decision when it wento to the judges

Narrative of this fanboy: Jeff Joslin was game but he got his ass beat by Jon Fitch in their fight.



This only talks about how ignorant and dishonest you are.
Go bed, fanboy.

You're being an emotional bitch and making up random bullshit from your imagination. I'd suggest going and punching your mother in the face for not loving you enough to stay with your father and raising you, as a single mother, to be a little cunt.

Freedom Fight was a Canadian promotion out of Ontario, Canada. The Jon Fitch card in question was their first show and they were still using a ruleset which allowed 8 second standing counts. The controversy over the Fitch was not a tap out to a submission, it was a request for time-out at a time when the two fighters were not engaged. Joslin was game. He got robbed in the Jonathan Goulet fight and should have gone into the Fitch fight undefeated.

If you're trying to say that unknown promotions don't occasionally have game fighters show up at their organizations and put on great fights, you're an idiot.

Furthermore, you emotional delusions have caused you to call me ignorant and dishonest for calling Okami a good fighter. But you, yourself, called Okami a good fighter. You make absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

 

[pankrat]

Fitch likely would have been champ if GSP wasn't in that division. Idk of I'd say the same for Okami.

That's an interesting approach but, apart from speculation, your conclussion it's higlly arguable considering Okami beat more ranked fighters in his division than Fitch did in his, and that Okami beat more former or eventual tittle contenders in such division

 

[pankrat]

You're being an emotional bitch and making up random bullshit from your imagination. I'd suggest going and punching your mother in the face for not loving you enough to stay with your father and raising you, as a single mother, to be a little cunt.

Freedom Fight was a Canadian promotion out of Ontario, Canada. The Jon Fitch card in question was their first show and they were still using a ruleset which allowed 8 second standing counts. The controversy over the Fitch was not a tap out to a submission, it was a request for time-out at a time when the two fighters were not engaged. Joslin was game. He got robbed in the Jonathan Goulet fight and should have gone into the Fitch fight undefeated.

If you're trying to say that unknown promotions don't occasionally have game fighters show up at their organizations and put on great fights, you're an idiot.

Furthermore, you emotional delusions have caused you to call me ignorant and dishonest for calling Okami a good fighter. But you, yourself, called Okami a good fighter. You make absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

Joslin was game - you just need to watch his fight with Fitch to know it - but the comparison in this discussion is not with some random guy who beat up people in the regionals.

We are comparing him with a long time UFC tittle contender who had MORE RANKED WINS THAN FITCH, at the moment of their tittle shot and taking his whole UFC stint. Fact.

Do you realize this? Of course yo do. It just hapenns that you are a dishonest, pretending fanboy.

1. Joslin vs Fitch was - even ignoring the time-out BS when Fitch was getting battered - a HIGHLY controversial decision in which Fitch took lot of damage.
Okami vs Shields, which happened around that time, was an extremly close fight vs an elite opponent (not just a "game" one) which commentators, an official judge, and the people in attendance that booed the decision, thought Okami won.

What will do a typical dishonest POS in front of these facts?

Hyping up Joslin and saying he "got his ass beat by Fitch (which even you know is false)", while at the same time completely ignoring Shields vs Okami and saying "meh, he got overhyped for a DQ win". Like a lil bitch

2. Okami had more ranked wins than Fitch. At the moment of their tittle shot and taking their whole UFC stints.

What will do a typical dishonest POS in front of these facts?

Hyping up as much as he can Fitch's run and particularly his only top ranked win coming off to this tittle shot (#5 Sanchez by SD)

....while downplaying Okami's accomplihments saying "his biggest plug was a DQ win" (could you get more dishonest, POS?) and of course not even mentioning that Okami actually won not one but two UFC tittle eliminators (2008 and 2010) including a win over #3 Marquard by UD, who is at the very least a comparable good win than Sanchez by SD, if not more.

You even said "hype machine was overselling Okami"....a guy who was notorious for being relegated to the undercard and one of the most underpromoted long time contenders in UFC's history.
Yet you with a straight face say "the hype macine was overselling him"....while saying "Joslin got his ass beat by Fitch"

You just cann't get more dishonest. That's your style, feel proud.

3. Im saying Fitch and Okami were very comparable caliber of opponent, especially at the moment they both fought for the tittle.
So im not discrediting Fitch. It's you making a meme of the other fighter with void, biased and dishonest arguments.

4. Finally, you call me emotional while referencing the mother of an unknown guy in the internet, which is like the lowest shit a man can do in a forum. What a POS

 

[Shaddows]

Joslin was game - you just need to watch his fight with Fitch to know it - but the comparison in this discussion is not with some random guy who beat up people in the regionals.

We are comparing him with a long time UFC tittle contender who had MORE RANKED WINS THAN FITCH, at the moment of their tittle shot and taking his whole UFC stint. Fact.

Do you realize this? Of course yo do. It just hapenns that you are a dishonest, pretending fanboy.

1. Joslin vs Fitch was - even ignoring the time-out BS when Fitch was getting battered - a HIGHLY controversial decision in which Fitch took lot of damage.
Okami vs Shields, which happened around that time btw, was a extremly close fight vs a top5 opponent (not just a "game" one) which commentators, an official judge, and the people in attendance, thought Okami won.

What will do a typical dishonest POS in front of these facts?

Hyping up Joslin and saying he "got his ass beat by Fitch (which even you know is false)", while at the same time completely ignoring Shields vs Okami and saying "meh, he got overhyped for a DQ win". Like a lil bitch

2. Okami had more ranked wins than Fitch. At the moment of their tittle shot and taking their whole UFC stints.

What will do a typical dishonest POS in front of these facts?

Hyping up as much as he can Fitch's run and particularly his only top ranked win coming off to this tittle shot (#5 Sanchez by SD)

....while downplaying Okami's accomplihments saying "his biggest plug was a DQ win" (could you get more dishonest, POS?) while of course not mentioning Okami actually won not one but two (2008 and 2010) tittle eliminators including a win over #3 Marquard by UD, who is at the very least a comparable good win than Sanchez by SD, if not more.

You even said "hype machine was overselling Okami"....a guy who was notorious for being relegated to the undercard and one of the most underpromoted long time contenders in UFC's history.
And you with a straight face say "the hype macine was overselling him"....while saying "Joslin got his ass beat by Fitch"

You just cann't get more dishonest. That's your style, feel proud.

3. Im saying Fitch and Okami were very comparable caliber of opponent, especially at the moment they both fought for the tittle.
So im not discrediting Fitch. It's you making a meme of the other fighter with void, biased and dishonest arguments.

4. Finally, you call me emotional while referencing the mother of an unknown guy in the internet, which is like the lowest shit a man can do in a forum. What a POS

I was amazed this thread is still going.

I admire your patience, but you should know that those emotionally invested GSP fanboys always resort to lies.... and I came to the conclusion that, because they repeated it so many times over the years, they came to believe their lies as facts, and as such, they will not bulge.

Let it be, bud. They will not see the light even if you blind them with it!

 

[GroundNPouter]

I am surprised this thread has so many posts. Jon Fitch was a monster that beat every other fighter besides GSP. It's like Jones wins over Cormier except his fight with gsp wasn't nearly as competitive.

 

[pankrat]

I was amazed this thread is still going.

I admire your patience, but you should know that those emotionally invested GSP fanboys always resort to lies.... and I came to the conclusion that, because they repeated it so many times over the years, they came to believe their lies as facts, and as such, they will not bulge.

Let it be, bud. They will not see the light even if you blind them with it!

You are absolutely right. But I still enjoy dismantling the myth/memes instigated by the many GSP fanboys in these boards, while working on my English skills

You might be right that these guys dont even lie on purpose, they have come to a point where they truly believe this BS. Right below your comment we have yet another example:

I am surprised this thread has so many posts. Jon Fitch was a monster that beat every other fighter besides GSP. It's like Jones wins over Cormier except his fight with gsp wasn't nearly as competitive.

> Cormier has plenty of top ranked wins in his career. He beat three LHW tittle contenders and about as many in the HW division as well.

> Fitch has only two top ranked wins in his career, and the only one coming into his fight with GSP was #5 Sanchez by Split Decision.
The only WW tittle contender from GSP era that Fitch beat was Alves.

> Okami had more ranked wins than Fitch, at the moment of their tittle fight and also taking their whole UFC stints.
Okami also beat more former or eventual title contenders in his division than Fitch did in his.

....yet you see a guy saying "Fitch was like Cormier except his fight with gsp wasn't nearly as competitive"....I mean, WTF

 

[Fioretti]

I am surprised this thread has so many posts. Jon Fitch was a monster that beat every other fighter besides GSP. It's like Jones wins over Cormier except his fight with gsp wasn't nearly as competitive.

Yeah....no. 1 top 10 win (Diego Sanchez) prior to his title shot is not "beating every fighter besides GSP". Not even remotely close. Fitch was 3-2-1 in top 10 fights over his UFC career. One of those wins was Paulo Thiago, who was ranked for only 5 months in his professional career. He has a 50% win rate against top fighters. This is not Cormier-esque in accomplishments. Try again.

 

[pankrat]

Yeah....no. 1 top 10 win (Diego Sanchez) prior to his title shot is not "beating every fighter besides GSP". Not even remotely close. Fitch was 3-2-1 in top 10 fights over his UFC career. One of those wins was Paulo Thiago, who was ranked for only 5 months in his professional career. He has a 50% win rate against top fighters. This is not Cormier-esque in accomplishments. Try again.

I guess the two losses were vs GSP and Hendricls but wasn't Maia ranked when he beat Fitch as well?

 

[Shaddows]

You are absolutely right. But I still enjoy dismantling the myth/memes instigated by the many GSP fanboys in these boards, while working on my English skills

You might be right that these guys dont even lie on purpose, they have come to a point where they truly believe this BS. Right below your comment we have yet another example:



> Cormier has plenty of top ranked wins in his career. He beat three LHW tittle contenders and about as many in the HW division as well.

> Fitch has only two top ranked wins in his career, and the only one coming into his fight with GSP was #5 Sanchez by Split Decision.
The only WW tittle contender from GSP era that Fitch beat was Alves.

> Okami had more ranked wins than Fitch, at the moment of their tittle fight and also taking their whole UFC stints.
Okami also beat more former or eventual title contenders in his division than Fitch did in his.

....yet you see a guy saying "Fitch was like Cormier except his fight with gsp wasn't nearly as competitive"....I mean, WTF

Hahaha
Don't forget, people's perception (and how UFC chose to sell those fights).
Fitch, they made it seems like he was an unbeaten monster "who beat everyone but GSP". So that is what stuck with people.
As for Okami, most of their hype was "he is a durable, game opponent".

They did not want Okami, especially because he did not speak English... and they desperately wanted to get someone who might have a chance against GSP... they had hope Fitch could take GSP down and dominate him... or at least make it competitive, so they sold him that way.

UFC is biased. and their hype VERY suspicious. Always been.
But like you, people should check before just accepting what guys like Rogan claims.
heh, don't forget, he claimed Ronda's striking was "out of this world" and people believe him!!! Ronda included

 

[Topher]

That's an interesting approach but, apart from speculation, your conclussion it's higlly arguable considering Okami beat more ranked fighters in his division than Fitch did in his, and that Okami beat more former or eventual tittle contenders in such division

It’s highly probable. Fitch won 14 UFC 170lb fights in a row removing GSP Okami had his streak snapped every three fights and is still 11-3 UFC 185lbs in 14 fights. Okami didn’t face Vitor, Maia, Wandy, Hendo, Bisping and some others that likely beat him either. It’s pretty fucking simple.

Okami was getting tripped up with losses much more than Fitch. So Fitch would potentially be 14-0 and have a strong chance of beating contenders consistently and Okami would be 11-3 and have to face contenders that he never faced and would likely beat him. Fitch has a stronger chance to win and maintain a title and Okami has a better chance of accumulating more losses here. Odds favor Fitch here.

Now fling some insults and say some spazzy autistic shit.