Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Topher]

Friend, you have not even 1000 posts in 15 years in this forum...and one of those is this one. Yawing or not, it seems you care enough

Okami was a similar caliber of opponent Fitch was at the time they fought for the tittle. According to rankings, record, performances vs top comeptition, odds, or just about any objective measure you want to look at. Yawn.

Rotf.

Okami was soundly beaten by Franklin and Sonnen he was a contender by process of elimination. He barely beat Munoz.

Fitch was like 15-1 and his only loss was the champion, gtfo.

I wasn’t aware Okami had Conor IQ fans that been posting for 15 years.

 

[pankrat]

Rotf.

Okami was soundly beaten by Franklin and Sonnen he was a contender by process of elimination. He barely beat Munoz.

Fitch was like 15-1 and his only loss was the champion, gtfo.

I wasn’t aware Okami had Conor IQ fans that been posting for 15 years.

As expected, you further prove you are a white belt who doesnt know what is talking about.

You didnt watch Okami vs Franklin. Period.

Two very close rounds, the 2nd being a flip coin, followed by a dominant round by Yushin in which mounted and almost submitted Franklin. Okami barely took damage throught the fight.

You didnt watch Muñoz fight neither, nor know about who Cecil Peoples is. You are fooling nobody, kid

Textbook underaged white belt, parroting what he has read in sherdog forum or sherdog fight finder.

Cold fact: Okami had more ranked wins coming into his tittle shot than Fitch had

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

Have they signed to fight each other in Triller yet....

 

[AB234]

Fitch was looking unstoppable. Okami was winning but the hype machine was over selling him.

 

[mirko>anyone]

Silva did it in more impressive fashion but GSP beat the better fighter imo, so I voted for GSP. It’s a silly argument though.

 

[pankrat]

Fitch was looking unstoppable. Okami was winning but the hype machine was over selling him.

Fact:
> Diego Sanchez, despite undersized, gave Fitch a extremely tough fight to a Split Dec.
> #5 Diego Sanchez was the only ranked win in Fitch career at the time ehe fought GSP.
> Fitch was submitted by unranked Joslin in his very last fight out of UFC, which stands as a W in his record due to a gross referee mistake. Yes, this is also a fact.

Narrative:
> "Fitch was looking unstoppable"

....

Fact:
> Okami had more ranked Ws than Fitch at the moment of the fight, had beat more former or eventual tittle contenders and had won more tittle eliminators himself (2008 and 2010)
> Okami's Ls included extremely or even controversial decision with top5ers Shields and Franklin. Fights not much different than Sanchez vs Fitch
> Okami didnt lose to an inferior caliber of fighter as Joslin.
> Okami was in a similar level than Fitch going by rankings, record vs top competition, odds, or any other objective measure you want to look at

Narrative:
> Okami was winning but the hype machine was over selling him...

...says the guy who sells Fitch as "unstoppable" despite being way less tested vs ranked competition and actually having less ranked wins. Watch the bias.

 

[Topher]

As expected, you further prove you are a white belt who doesnt know what is talking about.

You didnt watch Okami vs Franklin. Period.

Two very close rounds, the 2nd being a flip coin, followed by a dominant round by Yushin in which mounted and almost submitted Franklin. Okami barely took damage throught the fight.

You didnt watch Muñoz fight neither, nor know about who Cecil Peoples is. You are fooling nobody, kid

Textbook underaged white belt, parroting what he has read in sherdog forum or sherdog fight finder.

Cold fact: Okami had more ranked wins coming into his tittle shot than Fitch had

Hurr durr white belt blah blah.

Fitch was a first rate contender and Okami was a at best s fourth rate for a brief stint.

 

[Iroh]

Fitch. Okami wasn't near the dominant force Fitch was.

 

[pankrat]

Hurr durr white belt blah blah.

Fitch was a first rate contender and Okami was a at best s fourth rate for a brief stint.

Feel better with that void statement with no back up whatsoever.
You've just been slapped with facts and being exposed for talking about fights you only know from fight finder. Go find another hobby, kid

 

[Topher]

Feel better with that void statement with no back up whatsoever.
You've just been slapped with facts and being exposed for talking about fights you only know from fight finder. Go find another hobby, kid

Hendo, Franklin, Vitor and Sonnen (probably even Bisping) were better than Okami when he was a contender. And he left after Jacare raped him. Imagine if he had to face the SF talent and the LHW’s turned MW (Machida etc).

Quit comparing a long term #1 contender to fucking Okami of all people.

Guys FW Ricardo Lamas was a better contender than LW Porier.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Just admit that you never watched GSP vs Fitch.

Friend, you have not even 1000 posts in 15 years in this forum...and one of those is this one. Yawing or not, it seems you care enough

Okami was a similar caliber of opponent Fitch was at the time they fought for the tittle. According to rankings, record, performances vs top comeptition, odds, or just about any objective measure you want to look at. Yawn.

Lies.

Shields was ranked in the top 10 p4p, fighting in a stacked competition. You can't compare the divisional rankings of a weak division vs a stacked division. I've explained that so many times but you can't grasp the concept of demographics. Also it's been pointed to you NUMEROUS times that the reason Okami was #2 is because Silva beat Sonnen which bumped him down.

 

[Topher]

This dude was drinking the Dana kool aid back then “Okami is the best fighter to ever come out of Japan” bahahahahaha.

Yes Okami was a process of elimination contender he swung in and out of that spot while Fitch was a constant #1 behind GSP.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Feel better with that void statement with no back up whatsoever.
You've just been slapped with facts and being exposed for talking about fights you only know from fight finder. Go find another hobby, kid

You sound like a little boy who just learned a new word. In this occurrence : Void. How many times have you posted that word today? Calling everyone's arguments "void" even if theyre complete facts.

 

[pankrat]

Lies.

Shields was ranked in the top 10 p4p, fighting in a stacked competition. You can't compare the divisional rankings of a weak division vs a stacked division. I've explained that so many times but you can't grasp the concept of demographics. Also it's been pointed to you NUMEROUS times that the reason Okami was #2 is because Silva beat Sonnen which bumped him down.

So Shields was ranked top10 p4p yet Okami beat him in the eyes of most observers, an official judge, and the American people in attendance who booed the decision in favour of the American fighter.

Meanwhile, Fitch's best win coming into his fight with GSP was #5 WW Sánchez by SD, in about as close decision as Okami vs Shields was.

You basically made my point. You being a fight finder rat like some other kiddos in this same page of thread did it unpurposedly but thanks anyways

 

[pankrat]

You sound like a little boy who just learned a new word. In this occurrence : Void. How many times have you posted that word today? Calling everyone's arguments "void" even if theyre complete facts.

This is literally the 40th time you have replied me all over different threads. Me initiating a reply with you? Zero
Keep crying, nerdyboy

 

[pankrat]

This dude was drinking the Dana kool aid back then “Okami is the best fighter to ever come out of Japan” bahahahahaha.

Yes Okami was a process of elimination contender he swung in and out of that spot while Fitch was a constant #1 behind GSP.

Reading fight finder and pretending to have a clue in a mma forum. Go find another hobby

 

[Fioretti]

You’re not understanding. I was giving his record during that time frame. Not overall. Hope that clears it up.

EDIT: Actually you’re right, he won 21 fights during that time. Not 19. My bad. I downplayed his record.

So between Dec 2002 and Dec 2011 Fitch won 21 fights and only lost to GSP. And yes, you’re right, he had a nc during that period. I didn’t give his record in a format which would include that figure, so while that point in no way renders my stats inaccurate, I’ll give it now in order to avoid any further confusion: during the aforementioned 9 year run Jon Fitch went 21-1-1 with his only loss to GSP and a nc to Hutchinson.

You're wrong. He lost to Wilson Gouveia in December 2002. He lost to Mike Pyle in July 2002. He was 3-2 on December 13th 2002, then had a NC in his next fight, making him 3-2 1 NC. He lost to Hendricks December of 2011. He was 24-4-1 with 1 NC on December 30th of 2011. Are you just trying to discard his first two losses? 2 losses in a 5 month span?

He went undefeated from July 2003 through August 7th 2008. He faced one top 10 opponent in that time frame, and won by split decision. He also had a very fucky match against Joslin in July of 2005, right in the middle of that streak, where he actually lost the fight, but somehow pulled out a split decision victory because the ref was incompetent.

The fuck you tryin to do here with your selective, yet incorrect, bullshit? Be real, homie.

 

[Fioretti]

This dude was drinking the Dana kool aid back then “Okami is the best fighter to ever come out of Japan” bahahahahaha.

Yes Okami was a process of elimination contender he swung in and out of that spot while Fitch was a constant #1 behind GSP.

Okami was top 5 for at least 2 years, top 10 for at least 4, had 4 top 10 wins, and won 2 title eliminators. Fitch had 1 top 10 win and was ranked for less than a year.

Facts.

 

[Topher]

Reading fight finder and pretending to have a clue in a mma forum. Go find another hobby

Says the guy constricting cherry picked arguments

You're wrong. He lost to Wilson Gouveia in December 2002. He lost to Mike Pyle in July 2002. He was 3-2 on December 13th 2002, then had a NC in his next fight, making him 3-2 1 NC. He lost to Hendricks December of 2011. He was 24-4-1 with 1 NC on December 30th of 2011. Are you just trying to discard his first two losses? 2 losses in a 5 month span?

He went undefeated from July 2003 through August 7th 2008. He faced one top 10 opponent in that time frame, and won by split decision. He also had a very fucky match against Joslin in July of 2005, right in the middle of that streak, where he actually lost the fight, but somehow pulled out a split decision victory because the ref was incompetent.

The fuck you tryin to do here with your selective, yet incorrect, bullshit? Be real, homie.

Selective bullshit goes both ways. Fitch only lost 1 170lb fight in nearly a decade.

He fought those fights @205lb’s does the name Mike Pyle LHW fighter of many years. The dude is massive. He downed prime Bigfoot in a HW fight. Talk about just looking shit up and not having any understanding. Mike Kyle would have also wrecked Okami in his first 4 fights.

 

[Sgt Smith]

GSP fitched Fitch.