Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

Whos win was better?

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Khabib Khanate said:
Fitch is a better win than Okami but Silva's win over Hendo is a better win that Fitch and most of GSP's wins except for maybe Shields and Hughes.
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Its like you are making a ranking based on name value and rating wins based exclusively on that. Ignoring context and HOW the fight was actually won. Just name on paper.

Saying a dull decision over Shields is a better win than the KO of the year (or of the decade) of Silva vs Belfort is ridiculous.

Especially looking at the dubius decision over Kampann Shields got to earn his tittle shot, compared to the dismantling or Rich Frankln that Vitor did to get his.

Similar logic applies to Okami/Fitch.
I won't even argue who was better or worse, but what Im 100% sure is that they were very comparable caliber of competition under any measure you want to look at, and if they both were matched up back in the day, odds would be extremely close even at 170, let alone at 185 where would probably favour Okami.

So based on that, saying a decision - as dominant as it was - is a better performance than a 7 minute flawless KO seems biased af.
 
pankrat said:
Its like you are making a ranking based on name value and rating wins based exclusively on that. Ignoring context and HOW the fight was actually won. Just name on paper.

Saying a dull decision over Shields is a better win than the KO of the year (or of the decade) of Silva vs Belfort is ridiculous.

Especially looking at the dubius decision over Kampann Shields got to earn his tittle shot, compared to the dismantling or Rich Frankln that Vitor did to get his.

Similar logic applies to Okami/Fitch.
I won't even argue who was better or worse, but what Im 100% sure is that they were very comparable caliber of competition under any measure you want to look at, and if they both were matched up back in the day, odds would be extremely close even at 170, let alone at 185 where would probably favour Okami.

So based on that, saying a decision - as dominant as it was - is a better performance than a 7 minute flawless KO seems biased af.
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You're not wrong that context and finishes matter but in my defense Shields was on something like a 15 fight win streak and considered one of the top p4p guys without a UFC belt at the time. And honestly I don't rate Vitor that highly, I think he's always been overrated and his peak was after the Silva loss when he went on that TRT tear. But fair enough to say the Vitor win is comparable to Shields, both guys are legends in the sport.
 
pankrat said:
Its like you are making a ranking based on name value and rating wins based exclusively on that. Ignoring context and HOW the fight was actually won. Just name on paper.

Saying a dull decision over Shields is a better win than the KO of the year (or of the decade) of Silva vs Belfort is ridiculous.

Especially looking at the dubius decision over Kampann Shields got to earn his tittle shot, compared to the dismantling or Rich Frankln that Vitor did to get his.

Similar logic applies to Okami/Fitch.
I won't even argue who was better or worse, but what Im 100% sure is that they were very comparable caliber of competition under any measure you want to look at, and if they both were matched up back in the day, odds would be extremely close even at 170, let alone at 185 where would probably favour Okami.

So based on that, saying a decision - as dominant as it was - is a better performance than a 7 minute flawless KO seems biased af.
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You know theres more to fighting than the comparison between a decision VS a finish.

You gotta be simple minded to post shits like "decision > finish" without looking at contexts.

And about the context of this very thread. You have no idea what went on during those years because you started following mma only 5 years ago.
 
ThunderStruck said:
You know theres more to fighting than the comparison between a decision VS a finish.

You gotta be simple minded to post shits like "decision > finish" without looking at contexts.

And about the context of this very thread. You have no idea what went on during those years because you started following mma only 5 years ago.
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There is more to fighting than that indeed, which is caliber of competition, that's why I made an argument proving that Fitch Okami were very comparable caliber of opponent under any measure you want to look at.

The last part of your post is you running out of arguments, and pretty embarrassing
 
Although Okami was ranked #2 at the time this is somewhat deceiving as we were already a ways into Silva’s reign and as such the best in the division had already been cleared out. Fitch was GSPs first title defense after recapturing the belt and was ranked highly due to his run, not on account of other contenders losing.

Frankly I don’t even think it’s that close, I’d put Okami maybe a notch or two above Hardy but below Condit in terms of value.
 
HavokHarmon said:
Although Okami was ranked #2 at the time this is somewhat deceiving as we were already a ways into Silva’s reign and as such the best in the division had already been cleared out. Fitch was GSPs first title defense after recapturing the belt and was rented highly due to his run, not on account of other contenders losing.

Frankly I don’t even think it’s that close, I’d put Okami maybe a notch or two above Hardy but below Condit in terms of value.
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Thats a strongly biased way to look at it when the fact is that Fitch's only ranked win coming into his tittle shot was over #5 ranked Sanchez by SD...

.. while Okami had more ranked wins under his belt at the time, including an UD over #3 ranked Marquardt, and a very controversial decision with Shields

Okami had already gotten a tittle shot in 2008 btw, which missed by injury
 
Khabib Khanate said:
You're not wrong that context and finishes matter but in my defense Shields was on something like a 15 fight win streak and considered one of the top p4p guys without a UFC belt at the time. And honestly I don't rate Vitor that highly, I think he's always been overrated and his peak was after the Silva loss when he went on that TRT tear. But fair enough to say the Vitor win is comparable to Shields, both guys are legends in the sport.
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Both are big legends of the sport, for sure, but I'd say Belfor tearing through the likes of Lindland or Franklin in his way to the tittle show was fairly impressive too.

For the record, the toughest fight in that mytical 15 winning streak of Shields was actually Yushin Okami, in ROTR at 175lbs. It doesnt happen very often that a decision in favour of the American fighter gets booed by the American audience in attendance, but that's what happenned in that fight.
 
pankrat said:
There is more to fighting than that indeed, which is caliber of competition, that's why I made an argument proving that Fitch Okami were very comparable caliber of opponent under any measure you want to look at.

The last part of your post is you running out of arguments, and pretty embarrassing
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Fitch gets more than double the votes, by peoples who actually watched mma back then. The fact you feel the need to reply to EVERY SINGLE posts that votes for Ftich is amusing.
 
pankrat said:
Thats a strongly biased way to look at it when the fact is that Fitch's only ranked win coming into his tittle shot was over #5 ranked Sanchez by SD...

.. while Okami had more ranked wins under his belt at the time, including an UD over #3 ranked Marquardt, and a very controversial decision with Shields

Okami had already gotten a tittle shot in 2008 btw, which missed by injury
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More ranked wins in a division twice as shallow. Context my son, context.
 
pankrat said:
Both are big legends of the sport, for sure, but I'd say Belfor tearing through the likes of Lindland or Franklin in his way to the tittle show was fairly impressive too.

For the record, the toughest fight in that mytical 15 winning streak of Shields was actually Yushin Okami, in ROTR at 175lbs. It doesnt happen very often that a decision in favour of the American fighter gets booed by the American audience in attendance, but that's what happenned in that fight.
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MW vs WW. The size difference was blatant.
 
Vitor better win than Shields?

Yeah I agree. I also think Forrest is a bigger win than beating BJ or Hughes. He was da ultimate fighter after all and he done NEO'd that shit.

Ok Sarcasm over.....
 
Juzie said:
Vitor better win than Shields?

Yeah I agree. I also think Forrest is a bigger win than beating BJ or Hughes. He was da ultimate fighter after all and he done NEO'd that shit.

Ok Sarcasm over.....
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Yes, the KO of the decade is better win than a dull 48-47 decision. No sarcasm needed, just common sense. As if Shields had not looked extremely beatable by Kampmann in his fight before
 
pankrat said:
Yes, the KO of the decade is better win than a dull 48-47 decision. No sarcasm needed, just common sense. As if Shields had not looked extremely beatable by Kampmann in his fight before
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KO of the decade means jack shit. My fight of that decade happened in Sengoku. Does that mean those 2 are better than Andy?
 
pankrat said:
Marquard by UD > Sanchez by SD.
So go away with your dishonest, fake argument and let adults discuss.
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100% disagree. You weren't there at the time during Sanchez unbeaten streak. He was much, much much highly regarded than Nate.

You keep confirming the fact that you only started following mma 4 years ago.
 
Juzie said:
KO of the decade means jack shit. My fight of that decade happened in Sengoku. Does that mean those 2 are better than Andy?
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Oh so quality of performance means shit? Only the result on paper matters......holly shit with these GSP fanboys.

You mean Santiago and Misaki, right?
You pretend to compare them with Belfort.... are there limits to your dishonesty?

Belfort was coming off destroying Lindland and Franklin among others, and after being posterized and knocked unconscious by Silva, continued his destruction ways wih Akiyama and Rumble.

Shields was coming off a controversial decision with Kampmann, and got decisioned by GSP in a very dull fight where barely took damage.
If GSP had obliterated Shields, there would be a case it was a superior win than Silva's, but that didn't happen, at all.
You can make a meme of Belfort comparing with some guy in the regionals though while saying "uuuh a win is a win dude"
 
pankrat said:
Both are big legends of the sport, for sure, but I'd say Belfor tearing through the likes of Lindland or Franklin in his way to the tittle show was fairly impressive too.

For the record, the toughest fight in that mytical 15 winning streak of Shields was actually Yushin Okami, in ROTR at 175lbs. It doesnt happen very often that a decision in favour of the American fighter gets booed by the American audience in attendance, but that's what happenned in that fight.
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I would say his toughest fight in that streak was Hendo almost splattering his brains all over the Strikeforce canvas but otherwise fair enough.
 
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