Which are the arguments to put Miocic under Fedor in HW history?

kingmob6 said:
People tend to discount the age of the sport for some reason and do not have any context. Fedor was dominant during an era when sport was still in it's "childhood" stage. He was GOAT of the era, the same way Joe Louis was GOAT during the 1930-1940s as a HW boxer as 180lb fighter. Fedor was basically a blown up Middleweight fighting roided big men. He started fighting at like 21 at HW, which is a rarity and had an unprecedented 10 year unbeaten streak in the weight class where that's also a rarity.
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bozo take. MMA has not evolved much at the top of the sport, especially at heavyweight. You have a lot more depth but if you put on a pride fight involving Nog Fedor or Cro Cop its higher level than any HW fight you've seen in the UFC in the last 10 years lmao. Not even close.
 
BFoe said:
Oh fine, I’ll play.

Fedor has 7 title fight wins, and that’s not including winning RINGS or PRIDE GP titles (the 7 being Nog x 2, Mirko, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, and Rogers).

Fedor has more ranked wins than Stipe (11-8).

Fedor has more title defenses in one continuous unbeaten streak than Stipe dos in 2 reigns (5-4).

The opponents in the OP seem a bit cherry picked. Like, Ngannou is listed for Stipe but he also got starched by Ngannou. Old JDS is listed for Stipe but he actually lost to a closer-to-prime JDS.

Fedor was dominant under more orgs and more rulesets, including ruleset with a 10 minute first round, where soccer kicks and knees to grounded opponents were legal, he was undefeated far longer, and was far more active than Stipe.

Fedor > Stipe in every significant metric.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
(Literally I guess, since Fyodor means Theodore lol).
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Fedor got stopped 3 times in a row, in his prime. The last one being Dan Henderson, who mostly fought at middleweight and was 6 years older then Fedor.
 
THE PIT VEGAS said:
Fedor got stopped 3 times in a row, in his prime. The last one being Dan Henderson, who mostly fought at middleweight and was 6 years older then Fedor.
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Two of those guys were in Pride but couldn’t get past Nog to even get a shot at the title. It’s almost like Fedor declined by that point and should be judged by the 10 years when honest performances happened.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Miocic has way better resume:
DC > Nog
Ngannou > Mirko
Werdum > Coleman
Overeen> Randleman
JDS > Brett Rogers

Title fight wins:
Miocic - 6
Fedor - 4

In global relevance UFC > Pride

In the imagination of nostalgic fans Fedor is undeniably greater than Miocic due to his "aura" - a totally subjective and not very objective factor
Yes, he was a more iconic fighter, but only because there were no fighters on his level
I don't think that the time of undefeated (beating one-dimensional Japanese fighters 90% of the time) should be such a decisive factor
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You realize you're comparing fighters from different generations ... The only thing you can use are what openants are ranked and how high they are ranked..

You discredit them by being completely biased... Fedor hw run is damn near impossible and unheard of and has never been touched ... 9 years undefeated vs the best hws in the world.. is the reason why..

I just can't explain it any further for you change you're underwear if you sit in you're shit all day you won't be able to use that brain..
 
They are similar. I would rank Fedor higher but I wouldn't fight it if someone makes the argument Stipe is better. I am amazed at how Stipe came so far without a "good" team.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Fedor x Rogers was not a fight title

Accounts WAMMA as an relevant title is laughable. I'm talking about elite events



Recover the title is a bigger feat than defense continuous, I can't understand you logic here



So JDS was old at 33 yr when he was KOed by Miocic but Miocic was at his prime when her lost by Nganou at 38? lol

None of these organizations are harder to dominate than UFC of the modern ERA
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Bro, a title is an arbitrary trinket. Dudes get title shots off losses and shit all the time.

Fedor gas more ranked wins, a far longer streak, and looks far more dangerous and skilled than Stipe.

Stipe at #1 or #2 HW all time is bonkers. Too many losses in his active prime.
 
jeff7b9 said:
Fedor won the most prestigious Hw title in MMA and then won 18 straight with the biggest target in the sport firmly on his back.
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But he had a lot of no names on his record. Here are some of those 18 opponents.

- 2 rematches with Nog (1 NC)
- Egidijus Valavicius
- Fujita
- Goodrich
- Nagata (lol)
- Ogawa
- Koshaka
- Hong Man Choi
- Zulu
- Linland

Coleman, Randlemann and new to MMA Hunt were decent opponents. CroCop, Arlovski and over-the-prime Tiimmy were the best new opponents.


Stipe has finishes over Arlovski (post prime) and Hunt (better than the PRIDE one). He has wins over Werdum, Overeem, JDS and pre-prime Ngannou. Gonzaga, Nelson and Del Rosario (was 11-0 at the time, RIP) were decent opponents too. What really sets him apart is 2 wins over DC who was better than any opponent in PRIDE - look what he did to Barnett. Maldonado is another common opponent - no comments necessary. If it was not the loss to Struve, I would favor his run over Fedor easily.
 
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What a casual take. Fuckin stipe, honestly.
The guy stopped by Struve (when Stipe was 9-0).

<Fedor23><mirkosmile>

By the time Fedor lost,
he was war torn after a decade of animal fights.
Trained/fought in the era pre-smart phone, pre-hd YouTube, pre- 2010's (when things really changed with coaching, nutrition, studying tape/technique). Frankly 2009 was a peak year for UFC fights & the crossing of the guard from Pride to UFC.

Imagine Fedor started in 2010 like Stipe.
With modern coaching, nutrition, tape, etc...
He would've mucked Struve and DC.

Truly the Last Emperor.
 
Claude

Thread 'The fight mileage of Stipe's opponents has been ridiculously high compared to his'

Number of fights and years active at the time they fought:

Arlovski: 36 fights, 17 years active
Stipe: 15 fights, 6 years active

Hunt: 20 fights, 10 years active
Stipe: 14 fights, 5 years active

Gonzaga: 23 fights, 11 years active
Stipe: 11 fights, 4 years active

Werdum: 26 fights, 14 years active
Stipe: 16 fights, 6 years active

Overeem: 56 fights, 17 years active
Stipe: 17 fights, 6 years active.

JDS (2nd fight): 22 fights, 11 years active
Stipe: 18 fights, 7 years active

Except for Ngannou, all of Stipe's ranked wins were over fighters who had been fighting for 10 or...
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jeff7b9 said:
He could just change it to 9 wins over UFC champions, since Fedor beat Coleman and Nog twice each.

<Y2JSmirk>



Fedor actually has a better record and more wins vs UFC champions than Stipe:


Fedor 9-1
Stipe 6-4
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Ok, beating Sylvia, fat retiree Rampage and Randleman has the same weight beating DC (2x), Werdum, Roided Overeen...
 
Nostalgia is theain reason Fedor will be #1 for majority of his fans.

My rare opinion is that Fedor was as elite as anyone phisicaly and mentaly but he was very small. Modern MMA fighters were stronger than him. In Pride half the fights were gimmicks.

Let's just call them both greats. Fedor is more notorious. Stipe is the moder generation of big HW.
 
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