Which are the arguments to put Miocic under Fedor in HW history?

Mohawk Banditó said:
Judging by his other posts, this dope actually thinks losing your title and gaining it back is bigger than never losing it in the first place. I don't think he can be responded to in good faith anymore, just laughed at.
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So Fedor never lost since he got his Pride belt? lol
 
Fedor beat three K-1 World Champions (Cro Cop, Semmy Schilt, Hunt)
Fedor beat two ADCC World Champions (Jeff Monson & Ricardo Arona)
Fedor beat two Judo World Champions (Satoshi Ishii & Naoya Ogawa)
Fedor beat seven UFC champions (Nog, Randleman, Coleman, Arlovski, Sylvia, Rampage, Mir)

Of those UFC champions, he beat two of them twice.


Fedor has proved that he can stand in front of either the best kickboxers of all time, the best grapplers of all time, and the best MMA fighters of all time and he will still beat them.
 
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kingmob6 said:
Fedor beat three K-1 World Champions (Cro Cop, Semmy Schilt, Hunt)
Fedor beat two ADCC World Champions (Jeff Monson & Ricardo Arona)
Fedor beat two Judo World Champions (Satoshi Ishii & Naoya Ogawa)
Fedor beat eight UFC champions (Nog, Randleman, Coleman, Arlovski, Sylvia, Rampage, Rizzo, Mir)

Of those UFC champions, he beat two of them twice.


Fedor has proved that he can stand in front of either the best kickboxers of all time, the best grapplers of all time, and the best MMA fighters of all time and he will still beat them.
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Incredible stats but the last one should be 7. Rizzo never won the title.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
And magically all of Fedor's super opponents were crushed when they went to the UFC. But most Fedor's resume fighters didn't even sign with the UFC because they didn't have the quality for it.
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Speaking of magic, I wonder what kind of voodoo Nog used to later win gold in the UFC, since he was a low quality can skill-wise. Or like Randleman who, by most people's scores, should have been UFC champ over Bas. And Coleman, Sylvia, and Arlovski were all UFC champs. Sylvia didn't wash out or anything, he was fresh off his UFC title fight. Arlovski also left for contract and not skill reasons, as he was still in the top tier when he fought Fedor, having a measly 3 UFC winstreak right after losing his belt, then left and beat such shitty names like Rothwell and Roy Nelson before fighting Fedor.

Just speaks to that low quality of his streak that those bunch of cans made up 8 of those fights.

DanDragon Machi said:
So Fedor never lost since he got his Pride belt? lol
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Irrelevant question cuz it has nothing to do with losing and regaining belts. You see, he never lost the belt. That's the point.

Why is it that, in your seeming opinion, the hypothetical of being a 3 time champ with no successful defenses would be better than a champ with 3 defenses? Lol about that stupidity for a while
 
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People tend to discount the age of the sport for some reason and do not have any context. Fedor was dominant during an era when sport was still in it's "childhood" stage. He was GOAT of the era, the same way Joe Louis was GOAT during the 1930-1940s as a HW boxer as 180lb fighter. Fedor was basically a blown up Middleweight fighting roided big men. He started fighting at like 21 at HW, which is a rarity and had an unprecedented 10 year unbeaten streak in the weight class where that's also a rarity.
 
since TS is a curmudgeon who is just doubling down rather than discussing, i would like to get some opinions from those in the thread. you dont need to explain your reasoning if you dont want to.

between the two, who had the better:

Chin
Handspeed/Boxing
Kick speed/Kicks
Muay Thai/knees and elbows
Wrestling
Fight IQ
Defense
Grappling/submissions
Aura
Personality


My answers:

Chin - Stipe
Handspeed - Fedor
Boxing - Stipe
Kick speed/Kicks -Fedor
Muay Thai/knees and elbows - Stipe only because i dont remember Fedor using knees or elbows too much
Wrestling - Fedor
Fight IQ - Stipe
Defense - Stipe
Grappling/submissions - Fedor
Aura - Fedor
Personality - Stipe
 
Blastbeat said:
Stipe doesnt do submissions. he dont need em!

as for "technical sequences that make your jaw drop" - look no further than his performances vs Nelson, Mark Hunt and the 1st Ngannou fight. excellent boxing, footwork and great game planning. icing Maldonato in about 35 seconds is pretty cool too, especially since Fedor fought Fabio to a draw.

but Stipe was never a flashy guy or fighter. very meat-and-potatoes. which is great, because Fedor and Stipe occupy 2 sides of the GOAT discussion. one; the near-mythical figure with the speed and skill to do it all, and the other a workhorse that carved out a fantastic legacy despite no one thinking that they would.

any true MMA fan should have hespec for these 2
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I have hespect for the Stipe and he does have an argument no doubt

He beat the next best HW too, also and one of my favorite fighters in black Fedor



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Blastbeat said:
since TS is a curmudgeon who is just doubling down rather than discussing, i would like to get some opinions from those in the thread. you dont need to explain your reasoning if you dont want to.
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I’ll give it a go.

Chin— in their primes, equal

Handspeed/Boxing—Fedor

Kick speed/Kicks—Fedor. Neither wre super prolific kickers, but Fedor’s kicks are underrated.

Muay Thai/knees and elbows—Equal overall. Fedor didn’t use elbows at all, Stipe has the edge there. Fedor did have great knees, especially from the clinch.

Wrestling—pure wrestling would be Stipe

Fight IQ —Fedor. In his prime, his game planning was masterful.

Defense—Fedor pretty handily. I decided to get nerdy and look up the stats as listed on the UFC website. Stipe’s striking defense was 52%, Fedor’s was 63%. Stipe absorbed 4.01 strikes per minute, Fedor just 1.0.

Grappling/submissions—Fedor of course.

Aura—Fedor

Personality—equal depending on your preference. Fedor can actually be funny AF sometimes.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Miocic has way better resume:
DC > Nog
Ngannou > Mirko
Werdum > Coleman
Overeen> Randleman
JDS > Brett Rogers

Title fight wins:
Miocic - 6
Fedor - 4

In global relevance UFC > Pride

In the imagination of nostalgic fans Fedor is undeniably greater than Miocic due to his "aura" - a totally subjective and not very objective factor
Yes, he was a more iconic fighter, but only because there were no fighters on his level
I don't think that the time of undefeated (beating one-dimensional Japanese fighters 90% of the time) should be such a decisive factor
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lmfao
 
I’m imagining TS saying Pele was overrated, he only played in Santos and freaking NY Cosmos, only fanboys can compare him to a guy like Cristiano Ronaldo.

Also, this is a highly original thread, a rarity on Sherdog. Makes you wonder how nobody thought of it before.
 
Blastbeat said:
since TS is a curmudgeon who is just doubling down rather than discussing, i would like to get some opinions from those in the thread. you dont need to explain your reasoning if you dont want to.

between the two, who had the better:

Chin
Handspeed/Boxing
Kick speed/Kicks
Muay Thai/knees and elbows
Wrestling
Fight IQ
Defense
Grappling/submissions
Aura
Personality


My answers:

Chin - Stipe
Handspeed - Fedor
Boxing - Stipe
Kick speed/Kicks -Fedor
Muay Thai/knees and elbows - Stipe only because i dont remember Fedor using knees or elbows too much
Wrestling - Fedor
Fight IQ - Stipe
Defense - Stipe
Grappling/submissions - Fedor
Aura - Fedor
Personality - Stipe
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Chin - Fedor. Was rocked once by Tokada in his prime. Stipe was KO'd by Struve.
Handspeed - Fedor
Boxing - Stipe
Kicks - Fedor
MT - Maybe Stipe, he used more elbows, neither really showed much MT. Fedor had some Thai blocks
Wrestling - Stipe
Throws/Judo - Fedor
Fight IQ - Equal. Fedor had amazing fight IQ, when he slowed down he became more of a headhunter. Stipe has very underrated fight IQ
Defense - Stipe on basis of just being larger with better headmovement
grappling - Fedor and it isn't close
Aura - THE LAST EMPEROR
Personality - Both. Fedor is a very humble, enjoyable person to listen to the rare times we hear him talk. Stipe is the king of the midwest.

I added throws/judo for fedor, as stipes pure wrestling was better ('Murica) but Fedor was definitely better at getting guys to the ground when he wanted with a variety of throws.

TL;DR TS is gay
 
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Actually having more than ONE win over a HW in their prime.

Stipe's record is shit.
 
Yeah the same Stipe that got slept by Stuvre in his prime, and was nicknamed poor man's crocop and bizarro crocop in this forum.
 
Its two different list honestly. You can't compare fedor to anyone in the UFC, or vice versa. Not the biggest fedor fan but the guy was a tank, was down to bang, and beat a lot of guys before he lost. The problem was his life was controlled by the Russian mob or whoever the fuck it was, and he never came to the states. It is what it is. But regardless of all that you can't talk about the best heavyweights ever without talking about Fedor.
 
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