Where do you rank McGoobers striking?

His striking is elite, Top 3 in the division for sure. In some aspects he's even better than the other elite strikers at FW. He's one of the best strikers in all of MMA (boxing specifically), not just his division. The shit he does is rather amazing, the kind of stuff you'd think you wouldn't see in an MMA match, especially against UFC-level opponents working. For instance, the dude knocked Brimage down with two perfectly placed BOLO punches. The first one wobbled him, the second one put him down. They look like winding, diagonal/slashing uppercuts to those that don't know what they are. It's a type of punch you don't normally see that much of in boxing, save for a few that were great with them over the years, and basically never see in MMA. To not just land them but really make them count, and from an MMA fighter, is impressive.

Before Travis Browne standing elbow KO'd Barnett, a couple years before him even, Conor KO'd a guy in Cage Warriors with standing elbows against the cage while stuffing his takedown attempts. Elbows that were legal and landed to the side of his head. You don't see that shit everyday and everybody went apeshit when Browne did it against Barnett, though Conor did it before him.

The above are just two examples of shit he's pulled off that's been extremely impressive and, in both cases, he basically finished his fights with them (though he landed some extra punches after Brimage was knocked down to seal the deal). There is nobody like him in MMA, he's definitely a unique talent. A very unique fighter.

He calls himself a master of human movement. That's because he understands the importance of the human body being able to move in lots of different ways, both for offense and defense. It confuses his opponents. He'll switch up his tempo from low, mid, and fast as well to remain less predictable and to make it harder to get his rhythm and time his attacks. He'll change striking levels and go low, mid and high with strikes at times too. He leads and counters well, which is really important (fighting off the back and front foot), which most MMA fighters can't do or do well. He's at his best when countering though, at least with his hands that is. All of these things are clear signs of a competent, intelligent striker. His power, great speed (hands and overall), and reflexes definitely make him even more dangerous when applying his skills.

He's dynamic and creative with just about all of his strikes, not just "flashy", which he gets called a lot. He'll do hand trapping, covering the lead hand of his opponents and effectively taking away their jab before attacking. He'll throw "spinning shit", ie. kicks for instance. He'll throw and land standing elbows (which he landed one on Brimage that he stepped in with). He'll throw and repeatedly land straight punches (not just his jab here), ie., his "soft cross", where he doesn't transfer his weight when he throws it (basically just an arm punch to disrupt his opponent's rhythm).

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He'll also throw kicks, ie. high kicks, without loading them up too (not just punches). He'll throw them straight from his stance. He'll sidestep, pivot, hop-step, and circle with attacks and while defending. He makes heavy use of angles when entering range and when exiting. He's always looking to get a clear path to a strike on his opponent and avoid theirs in return. His footwork is phenomenal, his composure is second to none, his posture is second to none, his accuracy, timing and combos are great, his feints are there and very effective, he has subtle yet just enough head movement, great slips, good parrying ability, he'll sway/fade away for evasive defense too (rolling), and he'll occasionally block strikes if he is momentarily squared up or feels that he has to (though he typically tries to evade them entirely or stay on the end of them). The guy does it all. There's been a good number of breakdowns written about his striking game and even a bit on his noticeably improving ground game and they're all highly recommended reads.
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I really like how you mentioned his rhythm or changes in tempo when he almost lulls fighters to sleep. He got that karate kicks and style mixed with great boxing footwork and angles
 
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He got that karate kicks and style mixed with great boxing footwork and angles

Yeah, he definitely does. I'm not a big fan of any Karate style but I do enjoy watching guys like Machida (nowadays at least), Gunnar and McGregor work. McGregor has Kyokushin-esque elements to his kicking game and shares some things in common with Machida's striking. He trains with Gunnar in Iceland and sometimes in Ireland too so I'm sure there's been some Goju-ryu Karate from Gunnar that he's trained and taken to. His use of boxing (his base), footwork and constant taking of angles in particular along with his different types of movement are what I like most about him. He's a really slick, technical fighter in those aspects.
 
Too soon to say he's at the top of the division in striking. That being said you can't blame him for killing who's he's faced so far. A level so far.
 
Too soon to say he's at the top of the division in striking. That being said you can't blame him for killing who's he's faced so far. A level so far.

In terms of proving it against top-level competition, yeah, you could say that it's too early. However, if you break each element of his striking game down as-is and as he's applied them all, you can certainly compare it to the other top strikers in his division and even across the board in MMA. He's a seriously talented striker who seems to grasp everything very well. He's also not going to get worse the more he fights, he's going to get better. Spotting talent isn't difficult if you know what you're watching and looking for in particular, this is what scouting agents do for a living.
 
In terms of proving it against top-level competition, yeah, you could say that it's too early. However, if you break each element of his striking game down as-is and as he's applied them all, you can certainly compare it to the other top strikers in his division and even across the board in MMA. He's a seriously talented striker who seems to grasp everything very well. He's also not going to get worse the more he fights, he's going to get better. Spotting talent isn't difficult if you know what you're watching and looking for in particular, this is what scouting agents do for a living.

Yeah but looking good against Brandao doesn't exactly equate to looking good against say Mendes.

He has gotten hit pretty clean in two of his 3 UFC fights, mistakes like that cost more against guys not named Brimage.

Scouting based on just how someone looks, I'm sure Brandao looked very promising against the tuf guys and Bermudez.
 
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Yeah but looking good against Brandao doesn't exactly equate to looking good against say Mendes.

He has gotten hit pretty clean in two of his 3 UFC fights, mistakes like that cost more against guys not named Brimage.

Scouting based on just how someone looks, I'm sure Brandao looked very promising against the tuf guys and Bermudez.

He's been hit clean, sure, every fighter has. But, he doesn't get hit clean that often. When he does get hit clean it's usually not with full force either. He'll pull back from punches or sway/roll with them, stay on the end of them etc. He strongly prefers evasive defense to the traditional "tight" high guard and blocking defense. His footwork and reflexes are so good that he's able to evade most strikes from his opponents too. When he does get hit clean his posture is always really good so he's better braced for their impact. This is something that Jack Slack wrote about in a piece of his on Conor's defense.
 
To soon to tell.

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Yeah but looking good against Brandao doesn't exactly equate to looking good against say Mendes.

He has gotten hit pretty clean in two of his 3 UFC fights, mistakes like that cost more against guys not named Brimage.

Scouting based on just how someone looks, I'm sure Brandao looked very promising against the tuf guys and Bermudez.

Watch Forrest Griffin vs Anderson Silva. AS got hit pretty clean in that fight.

Watch Chris Leben vs Anderson Silva. Even Leben got a clean shot in.

These are considered the two of the most masterful striking displays in the history of the sport. If you get in the cage with a trained athlete trying to hit you in the face. Chances are that if you are fighting in a way that allows you to achieve a knockout within 5 minutes, you will get hit. In fact, its not a chance, its a statistical near certainty.

Even Flloyd Mayweather gets hit cleanly, and not getting hit is his credo.
 
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Watch Forrest Griffin vs Anderson Silva. AS got hit pretty clean in that fight.

Watch Chris Leben vs Anderson Silva. Even Leben got a clean shot in.

These are considered the two of the most masterful striking displays in the history of the sport. If you get in the cage with a trained athlete trying to hit you in the face. Chances are that if you are fighting in a way that allows you to achieve a knockout within 5 minutes, you will get hit. In fact, its not a chance, its a statistical near certainty.

Even Flloyd Mayweather gets hit cleanly, and not getting hit is his credo.

Yep. If you're always looking for the finish then you're taking more risks yourself. Conor is a finisher, not a guy that wants to gameplan on wearing a guy down for 3 or 4 rounds and finishing in the last. He's prepared to finish a guy right from the start up until the last second of the last round. Floyd did get hit a lot in his last fight against Maidana. Maidana bullied the shit out of him against the ropes, straight bulldogged him.
 
Funny how KZ is left off these lists of fighters with better striking than Connor. He KO'd Mark Hominick in 8 seconds and went 4 rounds with Aldo, breaking Aldo's foot during that time. Too much is made of him getting KO'd by Roop back when he did his zombie fighting mode. He has legit striking and mixed with his grappling he would wipe the floor with Connor McG.
 
Top 5 in the division for sure.

He mixes it up very well on the feet with punches and kicks. His footwork is awesome, he moves his head well, he cuts angles better than almost anybody, his striking is very fluid. He's definitely one of the best strikers in the division.
 
Funny how KZ is left off these lists of fighters with better striking than Connor. He KO'd Mark Hominick in 8 seconds and went 4 rounds with Aldo, breaking Aldo's foot during that time. Too much is made of him getting KO'd by Roop back when he did his zombie fighting mode. He has legit striking and mixed with his grappling he would wipe the floor with Connor McG.

From a technical standpoint, Conor is far ahead of KZ. His footwork is much better and he's very accurate.

KZ is extremely sloppy, but he makes it work. I'm not in any way saying he's a bad striker, he's one of the best in the division as well as Conor. I'd say 'technically,' Conor is a better striker than KZ, but that doesn't mean KZ wouldn't beat him.

Yes, he KO'd Hominick in 8 seconds, but you can blame Hominick for that. In no way does that prove that KZ is a better striker than Hominick, Hominick sloppily jumped in with a left hook and left himself wide open. He leaped in, missed, and basically just stood there as if he's wondering how he missed and then he got dropped and finished immediately.

Also, I'm pretty sure Aldo's foot broke because KZ checked a kick. It could have happened to anybody. Aldo lit KZ up all night, KZ started to push forward and pour it on a little more in the 4th and started to find a little more success, but then he busted his shoulder and lost, very unfortunate.

Your post doesn't really support and argument as to why you believe KZ's striking is better than Conor's. Conor's boxing is far better than Jung's, he mixes it up so much better. I'm not saying that McGregor would go in and easily destroy KZ on the feet, but I believe Conor is the more sound striker than KZ. KZ makes it work though, he's very sloppy and aggressive, but that doesn't mean anything when they're still effective.

Being effective is what matters.

I think McGregor/KZ would be a great stand-up war, but if it hits the mat then I think KZ would blow him out of the water.

Using KZ's ability to go 4 rounds with Aldo as proof that KZ's striking is better than Conor's, as well as knocking out Hominick in 8 seconds doesn't really work. Hominick went 5 rounds with Aldo, does that mean he's a better striker than KZ? Lamas went 5 rounds with Aldo, does that make him a better striker than KZ? McGregor? etc?

Lamas' striking is nothing special, it's definitely good, but not great. Whether someone's a great striker or not, if they're effective, that's all that matters.

Chael Sonnen's striking was never anything special, he wobbled Anderson Silva on the feet, something many other strikers who are 10x better than Chael couldn't do. You never know what's going to happen in MMA.

In short - I think McGregor is technically better than KZ, but KZ is still very, very effective and can definitely beat Conor there. He's a more aggressive/wild striker compared to Conor. Conor is more fluid, his footwork is better, he mixes it up better, his boxing is far better than Jung's is. KZ is a good striker, he's pretty unorthodox in a way. He's not that great of a striker, really, but he's still effective with it.

Hendricks' striking is only just starting to come along now. Before all he would do is spam his left hand, he would beat strikers who are actually better than him in that department. He's improved a lot, but back when his striking wasn't truly that great, he was still effective with it even though technically, he was fucking awful. Sometimes the better striker doesn't always win the striking match, just like sometimes the better grappler doesn't always win.
 
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