When will the HW division learn...

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  1. FallIntoTheRope**

    FallIntoTheRope** Banned Banned

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    To truly reign in the HW division, you must be well-rounded. It's a fact and last night proved it. You cannot be a specialist and expect to dominate HW. Fedor is the perfect example of it. He had great striking, submissions, grappling, and cardio. That's why he was so untouchable for all those years, he had way more tools than anyone else at HW.

    Last night's fight actually reminded me a lot of Fedor/Cro Cop in the sense that Cain beat the most feared striker at HW standing and managed to grapple-grind him to a dominant decision win.

    Big fan of JDS and Cain though, really hope their next fight is as shocking as their last two.
     
  2. Thunder Tiger

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    Agree 100% with TS. I believe Cain will be champion for a long time.
     
  3. JDawg9

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    Jds just didn't respect cain's stand up enough, next time they fight he doesn't let Cain hit him as much as he did in r1, stuffs cain's tds again and ko's him.

    Also this isn't early 2000's, it's more than their "skills", it wasn't cain's wrestling or striking that did it for him, it was his pace and aggression not allowing jds to get into his groove and get off his offence.
     
  4. Davey J

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    Cain executed his game plan perfectly and neutralized JDS's biggest weapon. He put constant forward pressure and smothered JDS not allowing him to strike the whole fight, and JDS could do very little in the clinch to create space. I think JDS is much better than what he showed last night, but that one overhand right in the 1st round took him out of the fight and he never recovered. Props to Cain, his performance was scary last night.
     
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    SUPERCHARGED Black Belt

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    Overeem will have the UFC HW belt in 2013 and he will keep it for a very long time. Cain doesnt have what it takes to beat Overeem.
     
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    FlowWithTheGo23 Black Belt

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    Not sure what you're getting at...Cain is far less well rounded than JDS.
     
  7. FallIntoTheRope**

    FallIntoTheRope** Banned Banned

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    Yup, pretty much how I felt about it too. Cain is a beast and is a fighter that shouldn't be underestimated because of a flash KO.
     
  8. LordStanleysCup

    LordStanleysCup Purple Belt

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    Pretty much agree with this.
     
  9. LordStanleysCup

    LordStanleysCup Purple Belt

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    Still, a pretty good thread for a white belt. They're not all bad. Just 99% of them.
     
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    FallIntoTheRope** Banned Banned

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    JDS is one of my favorite fighters but that is just not true at all.
     
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    grapplemonkey White Belt

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    Agreed... defend the JDS love all you guys like... last nights outcome showed some of the holes in his game.
     
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    Im basically saying that last night didn't mean Cain is superior to Jr, simply that he came in better prepared

    a lot of people were saying things like;

    'thats how the first fight would/should have gone'
    'Jr got beat by a far better fighter'
    'Jr should drop to 205'

    and none of it is true, they are on the same level and they have the ability to beat each other.
     
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    Welcome NOOB
     
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    FallIntoTheRope** Banned Banned

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    Yeah... right :icon_lol:
     
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    Draggin99Si Blue Belt

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    Cain vs. THE REEM, make it happen!
     
  16. Dustin925

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    Bahahaha. Getting outstruck, outwrestled, and out-lasted makes him MORE well rounded? The guy can take a punch, and has KO power, but that's about as much as he's ever shown. He took down Carwin twice, who both times immediately got up and had JDS's neck in his arms. Not exactly well rounded.
     
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    Kumason MMA freak!

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    I agree
     
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    I am not a fan of either, but I definitely agree with you.

    Striking: Cain has actually shown some good striking, and more versatile striking. JDS is far too one-dimensional with his striking (Like Diaz, but Sherdog loves both as "boxers" for some dumb reason)

    Striking defense: This fight was nothing out of the ordinary. JDS tends to pull a Diaz and get busted up on the feet with other strikers. Remember the Crocop fight, where a washed-up old man busted him up all fight on the feet? (And Crocop is one of my favorite fighters of all-time, but I'm honest about his recent plights). He gets by only by being the harder-hitting or better-suited to taking damage guy in those scenarios.

    Cardio: It's not like we havent seen JDS gas by the end of the 3rd round before, right?

    Grappling: Well, the clinch game didnt pan out for JDS, where Cain has shown excellent progression in that aspect of his game. And the vaunted BLACK BELT of JDS that everyone was clamoring about pre-fight (Oh, JDS will submit Cain when IF Cain can get him down)

    TDD: This is the first time we've seen JDS fight someone who was willing to take him down, and though he did pop right back up from a lot of takedowns, he didnt do much of defending the takedowns.

    Power: JDS still has this one under wraps, as Cain has never shown serious KO power before this fight, where JDS has.

    Footwork/movemenet/technique: Well, standing theyre both pretty equal. On the ground you give it to Cain.
     
  19. Sosua

    Sosua Yeah nah

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    Cain could get some advice from Shogun and Little Nog on secrets to defeat Overeem.
     
  20. hiyah

    hiyah Banned Banned

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    Word. Cain is the closest thing to Fedor right now.
     

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