When Anderson would drop his hands and invite his opponent to punch him in the face….

[NikLuk]

That sh** is legend and was super effective at captivating an audience at the bar. I remember when Anderson would do this during a fight and everyone at the bar would just be glued to the tv screens. You could hear a pin drop.

I disliked Silva back in those days because of all his antics.

 

[moreorless87]

Were there fans who bought into hype/myth? Sure. There were with Fedor or anybody else too, who also went denial when losses came.

A formidable opponent in Weidman was getting the better of a 38 years old Anderson regardless of any showboating. So what?
Why do you stick to it to discredit/downplay what he did to his opponents prior to that. It's not like opponents used to get the better of him and Anderson showboated in reaction to it.

That's like the MartinGibsons and other 'tards around here using Fedor's losses - at 33 btw, not at 38 - to prove a point:
You see? Fedor's GnP from guard wasnt so effective as his fans wanted to believe when he met a grappler not fazed by Fedor's aura. It was all hype
You see? Fedor's clinch and escapes from the bottom weren't so effective when a big boy who knew how to grapple as Antonio was in front of him
lol, he lost to a MW in his 40s... ho ho.
Same vibes.

It seems to be that you are the one who had the problem with this, raging into the thread insulting me for that reading of the Weidman fight, I said nothing about it having a negative effect on Silva's legacy, I don't think thats at all similar to trolls just posting Gif's of latter day Fedor defeats as a counter to arguments.

I'm not really seeing a case that Nog was "phased by Fedor's aura" in the first fight, I think he fought with an open guard looking for sweeps which made it easier for Fedor to land the GnP on him that he did(and didnt nearly as much in the 2nd and 3rd fights were Nog used a tighter guard) but I'm not really seeing that as equivalent to the Forrest match. The idea that Silva using showboating to draw Forrest into coming forward with some sloppy offence and then countered him, is that really so outrageous? I think the majority of people would agree to that.

I'd agree Silva's peak was probably more towards the start of his UFC title run than the end of it, really what your arguing against is more the UFC's own hype which I think was the reverse, stronger at the end than the start.

 

[NikLuk]

yes but we only count when it works

We ignore when it failed - that way we can keep Anderson as the MW goat

No, he is still the MW GOAT despite when it failed. And I was hoping for somebody to get him for a long time. I never could stand his antics.

 

[pankrat]

It seems to be that you are the one who had the problem with this, raging into the thread insulting me for that reading of the Weidman fight, I said nothing about it having a negative effect on Silva's legacy, I don't think thats at all similar to trolls just posting Gif's of latter day Fedor defeats as a counter to arguments.

I'm not really seeing a case that Nog was "phased by Fedor's aura" in the first fight, I think he fought with an open guard looking for sweeps which made it easier for Fedor to land the GnP on him that he did(and didnt nearly as much in the 2nd and 3rd fights were Nog used a tighter guard) but I'm not really seeing that as equivalent to the Forrest match. The idea that Silva using showboating to draw Forrest into coming forward with some sloppy offence and then countered him, is that really so outrageous? I think the majority of people would agree to that.

I'd agree Silva's peak was probably more towards the start of his UFC title run than the end of it, really what your arguing against is more the UFC's own hype which I think was the reverse, stronger at the end than the start.

You are the one bringing up Silva's loss to Weidman at 38 years old, not me.
Im not bringing up Fedor's loss to Werdum and onwards at 33 years old when assessing his career. Because Im not a MartinGibson nor a moreorless type.

You are attributing Silva making oppponents miss and making them pay with a wide array of devastating techniques as a product of "auras" or "psychological war fares" when not Xanax.

I didnt see Belfort "phased" by any aura when he was trying to take Silva's head off with his punches. No more no less than Nog vs Fedor. If he was fazed by anything is by the way Silva was slipping his punches and the threat that Silva pulled off some devatating unorthodox strike with any of his limbs...as he actually did. PERIOD. Cut your obscene psyhco BS dude, for real.

Im not the one who takes weight off the skill side to put it on a vague "psycho" realm. That's you, mate. Not me.

And Forrest was badly struggling to find his range before any showboating from Silva. If Anderson was able to read and slip Vitor's punches, why the fuck you need to cling into paranormal activities to understand why he was able to make Forrest's slow hands look clumsy?
It's hard to look goofier than Sylvia looked vs Fedor but I dont read you referencing to any aura which caused Sylvia to fight like that, nor to any of his documented mental, medical issues.
Cut the BS, mate.

 

[moreorless87]

You are the one bringing up Silva's loss to Weidman at 38 years old, not me.
Im not bringing up Fedor's loss to Werdum and onwards at 33 years old when assessing his career. Because Im not a MartinGibson nor a moreorless type.

You are attributing Silva making oppponents miss and making them pay with a wide array of devastating techniques as a product of "auras" or "psychological war fares" when not Xanax.

I didnt see Belfort "phased" by any aura when he was trying to take Silva's head off with his punches. No more no less than Nog vs Fedor. If he was fazed by anything is by the way Silva was slipping his punches and the threat that Silva pulled off some devatating unorthodox strike with any of his limbs...as he actually did. PERIOD. Cut your obscene psyhco BS dude, for real.

Im not the one who takes weight off the skill side to put it on a vague "psycho" realm. That's you, mate. Not me.

And Forrest was badly struggling to find his range before any showboating from Silva. If Anderson was able to read and slip Vitor's punches, why the fuck you need to cling into paranormal activities to understand why he was able to make Forrest's slow hands look clumsy?
It's hard to look goofier than Sylvia looked vs Fedor but I dont read you referencing to any aura which caused Sylvia to fight like that, nor to any of his documented mental, medical issues.
Cut the BS, mate.

Lets look at what I posted....

"Although I think Weidman's camp clearly had done the work to counter it, Chris didnt plant his feet and star throwing he carried on moving until he was squared up then he throws in that little backfist to mess up Silva's timing.

I would say as well that was a bit of a desperation move by Silva in that fight as well, normally he saved the showboating until he knew his opponent was beaten mentally and woudl react badly to it in a way he count potentially counter."

You disagree with that? were do I make negative claims about Silva, I actually do the reverse responding to someones post that Silva "looked silly" by saying I think Weidman had him well scouted and countered his showboat well, I even say that I think Silva generally knew when to showboat without taking excessive risk.

It seems its you who has the problem here throwing insults and strawmen my way, maybe you might like to compare yourself to certain other trollish posters here rather than comparing me, I mean look at the way you've posted in this thread rushing in looking for a fight throwing insults based on very little.

 

[pankrat]

Lets look at what I posted....

"Although I think Weidman's camp clearly had done the work to counter it, Chris didnt plant his feet and star throwing he carried on moving until he was squared up then he throws in that little backfist to mess up Silva's timing.

I would say as well that was a bit of a desperation move by Silva in that fight as well, normally he saved the showboating until he knew his opponent was beaten mentally and woudl react badly to it in a way he count potentially counter."

You disagree with that? were do I make negative claims about Silva, I actually do the reverse responding to someones post that Silva "looked silly" by saying I think Weidman had him well scouted and countered his showboat well, I even say that I think Silva generally knew when to showboat without taking excessive risk.

It seems its you who has the problem here throwing insults and strawmen my way, maybe you might like to compare yourself to certain other trollish posters here rather than comparing me, I mean look at the way you've posted in this thread rushing in looking for a fight throwing insults based on very little.

Oh c'mon dude.

This is the post where I quoted you and what the discussion was about:

I'd say he was clearly the fighter who used phycological warfare more than any other, some guys like say Crocop did have a fear factor around them which I think could help damage opponents performances but Anderson really played on it, especially in the latter half of his UFC title run.

The Weidman reference from you came later, in one of your replies to me, not to anybody else.
Let's cut the pretending.
BTW no bad blood mate, respect. Just telling it like I see it.

 

[moreorless87]

Oh c'mon dude.

This is the post where I quoted you and what the discussion was about:

The Weidman reference from you came later, in one of your replies to me, not to anybody else.
Let's cut the pretending.
BTW no bad blood mate, respect. Just telling it like I see it.

One of us rushed into the thread and insulted the other and started making a load of references to previous threads, wasn't me.

Never made though this will be the last time you ever get a response from me.

 

[Spath]

 

[DkMacaw]

to think Izzy fans are annoying, this thread reminds me how insufferable Anderson fans will always be.

easy to look great when your only challenges are against the Chris Leben's of the world.

Not only he was old when he fought Weidman, there were more than enough hours of tape to watch and to adjust. And the only caliber wrestler he fought before that was Chael Sonnen who was well known to be mediocre at defending subs.

 

[knock_you_out]

That shows arrogance and good reflexes, not skill. It works until you make a mistake and/or your reflexes slows down, which occurs with age.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

What makes you think Silva would even acknowledge some worthless drunk?

He will have to because I am not a worthless drunk. I am a belligerent drunk!!! FYI you seem a little touchy defending Anderson when I was being fairly clearly tongue in cheek about it. It was a shitty move by Anderson (Leites fight followed by the Maia fight) and he certainly isn't a saint. Great fighter when he wanted to be but he was a major dick head at that time in his career.

 

[ColombianFist]

well, that looked great when most of his opponents were awful strikers, and those who were good got caught or injured during the fight. once he faced GOOD strikers everything crumbled.

 

[Adamant]

That sh** is legend and was super effective at captivating an audience at the bar. I remember when Anderson would do this during a fight and everyone at the bar would just be glued to the tv screens. You could hear a pin drop.

It was stupid and cost him the fight against Weidman.