What's Your Next Purchase? V5

[Gregolian]

I was just looking at legacy sports website and they have all sorts of howa 1500 (Same action as the weatherby) rifles and packages. Some good deals to be had and lots of options. Check it out.

Just saw you can get a howa 1500 with an ID green hogue over old stock and a zeiss terra scope for about 1,000 dollars. It's more than the weatherby but would be a cool set up.

Will do sir. The Weatherby at Gallery is ~$850 or so before tax, transfer fee and such

 

[ironwolf]

@ironwolf

Agreed, fuck .375 Ruger, I don't chase unicorns. What attracts me to .375 H&H, aside from the performance, is the popularity of the cartridge. What good is (insert high performance, low availability cartridge here) if you can't find it to shoot? Better stock up on dies and components of that's the case.

Yeah I mean if I was living in a big city with several gun shops and a big sportsmans warehouse like when I was back in Albuquerque, I'd consider it but that's not the plan so I need to avoid ammo I can't find. My dad has time to load cartridges and shoot them, I don't have as much time as he does and personally, while I can reload and do on occasion, it's not something I love. It's more of a chore honestly.

 

[jlagman]

Yeah I mean if I was living in a big city with several gun shops and a big sportsmans warehouse like when I was back in Albuquerque, I'd consider it but that's not the plan so I need to avoid ammo I can't find. My dad has time to load cartridges and shoot them, I don't have as much time as he does and personally, while I can reload and do on occasion, it's not something I love. It's more of a chore honestly.

My point is, there are certain cartridges which are ubiquitous, available virtually anywhere and are therefore, better options to look at. I remember reading Rinella's book where he's talking about hunting shotguns and says something to the effect of, "While this may piss off the purists, 12 and 20 gauge are the only ones worth talking about. While 16s may have their vocal supporters..." basically, good luck finding that shit.

 

[ironwolf]

My point is, there are certain cartridges which are ubiquitous, available virtually anywhere and are therefore, better options to look at. I remember reading Rinella's book where he's talking about hunting shotguns and says something to the effect of, "While this may piss off the purists, 12 and 20 gauge are the only ones worth talking about. While 16s may have their vocal supporters..." basically, good luck finding that shit.

Yeah man, I totally get your point and agree 100%. There's some cool stuff out there that I avoid because you just can't get ammo. We have a 450 Marlin and it's an amazing cartridge but I'm moving back to 45/70 simply due to ammo availability. For the 450 is either 1 load made by hornady or high end buffalo bore...or reloading. It's lame.

 

[Gregolian]

Fucking dad

"Why do you need a 30-06? There's a .243, .300 Savage, 30-30, and .300 WinMag. Isn't a 30-06 a bit redundant?"

Mentally
"Well dad, those are all YOUR guns and the Savage and 30-30 Winchester don't have optics... Ssssooooo"

Ggggrrrrr, I'll keep looking and get it soon I am sure

 

[ironwolf]

Fucking dad

"Why do you need a 30-06? There's a .243, .300 Savage, 30-30, and .300 WinMag. Isn't a 30-06 a bit redundant?"

Mentally
"Well dad, those are all YOUR guns and the Savage and 30-30 Winchester don't have optics... Ssssooooo"

Ggggrrrrr, I'll keep looking and get it soon I am sure

No rush. Keep researching, looking around, pricing stuff out and save a bit of $$$ here and a bit there.

But at the same time I'm with you. My mom was/is always like "why do you need more guns, toys, etc,etc".....me: "because". And the main problem is that gun forums who are full of assholes like me who tell everybody to do the opposite and buy it.

 

[Gregolian]

No rush. Keep researching, looking around, pricing stuff out and save a bit of $$$ here and a bit there.

But at the same time I'm with you. My mom was/is always like "why do you need more guns, toys, etc,etc".....me: "because". And the main problem is that gun forums who are full of assholes like me who tell everybody to do the opposite and buy it.

Yup. I hold you responsible.

I also have to finish my AR-10... the fucking Rainier Arms Match grade barrel and Geissele trigger have been sitting there since Black Friday. FUCK, PUT YOUR SHIT ON SALE MEGA!

As to "exotic" type rounds there are two I would love to own someday:
-.300 Weatherby Mag
-.338 Lapua
Anything past that i think is just, well, ridiculous. Pistol I will probably stop at .45 ACP

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Fucking dad

"Why do you need a 30-06? There's a .243, .300 Savage, 30-30, and .300 WinMag. Isn't a 30-06 a bit redundant?"

Mentally
"Well dad, those are all YOUR guns and the Savage and 30-30 Winchester don't have optics... Ssssooooo"

Ggggrrrrr, I'll keep looking and get it soon I am sure

Do you want it just to have it? TBH I kind of agree with him.

Honestly .308 is probably enough for anything and 300 win mag is if you had any doubts.

With the new powders people are hand loading 175gr bullets at around/over 2800 fps(over 3k fpe at muzzle and 1k fpe at 800 yards).

Tbh and I might get some hate, to me the 30-06 is kind of a dead caliber.

So .308 short action, lighter weight, etc but with new powders people are getting close to 30-06 numbers.

Then long action you have 300 win mag and .30-06 however 300 wm is substantially more powerful than 30-06. So to me depending on what you are going for you determine short action or long and the .30-06 doesn't make much sense imo.

 

[jlagman]

Fucking dad

"Why do you need a 30-06? There's a .243, .300 Savage, 30-30, and .300 WinMag. Isn't a 30-06 a bit redundant?"

Mentally
"Well dad, those are all YOUR guns and the Savage and 30-30 Winchester don't have optics... Ssssooooo"

Ggggrrrrr, I'll keep looking and get it soon I am sure

There is something to be said of having something of your own. You don't have to ask permission, you take responsibility for all the dings and scratches you eventually put on non-safe queens, etc.

Don't worry man, I get it and if you can only have one, .30-'06 is a great cartridge to be "stuck" with.

 

[jlagman]

Do you want it just to have it? TBH I kind of agree with him.

Honestly .308 is probably enough for anything and 300 win mag is if you had any doubts.

With the new powders people are hand loading 175gr bullets at around/over 2800 fps(over 3k fpe at muzzle and 1k fpe at 800 yards).

Tbh and I might get some hate, to me the 30-06 is kind of a dead caliber.

So .308 short action, lighter weight, etc but with new powders people are getting close to 30-06 numbers.

Then long action you have 300 win mag and .30-06 however 300 wm is substantially more powerful than 30-06. So to me depending on what you are going for you determine short action or long and the .30-06 doesn't make much sense imo.

My hunting rifle is a .308, I'm a short guy with short arms and tend to prefer a short action. I also don't take long shots; bench rest and long range precision aren't my thing. I agree that .308 can do most of what .30-'06 can. But calling it dead? I don't know. Maybe if it falls into complete obsolence and becomes hard to find on shelves, I'll concede. But I wouldn't hold my breath, it's popularity is still very, very strong.

 

[Gregolian]

Do you want it just to have it? TBH I kind of agree with him.

Honestly .308 is probably enough for anything and 300 win mag is if you had any doubts.

With the new powders people are hand loading 175gr bullets at around/over 2800 fps(over 3k fpe at muzzle and 1k fpe at 800 yards).

Tbh and I might get some hate, to me the 30-06 is kind of a dead caliber.

So .308 short action, lighter weight, etc but with new powders people are getting close to 30-06 numbers.

Then long action you have 300 win mag and .30-06 however 300 wm is substantially more powerful than 30-06. So to me depending on what you are going for you determine short action or long and the .30-06 doesn't make much sense imo.

I kinda have been hung up on the 30-06 because as a family it's the one main hunting caliber we don't have. And the other thing is, when I finally move out.... well, the only guns I'll have is 2 1911s, a Glock, an AR-15 that I can't seem to get to shoot straight, and then two parts for a AR-10.

I'm also 6'4" so short action guns won't really work for me unfortunately.

Yeah, I could use his Winchest Model 70 Alaska in .300 WinMag but it's a pre-1961 one, which means I'd try to handle it like a baby, AND, it came out before people knew what buttpads were and just has a fucking brass plate on the back.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

My hunting rifle is a .308, I'm a short guy with short arms and tend to prefer a short action. I also don't take long shots; bench rest and long range precision aren't my thing. I agree that .308 can do most of what .30-'06 can. But calling it dead? I don't know. Maybe if it falls into complete obsolence and becomes hard to find on shelves, I'll concede. But I wouldn't hold my breath, it's popularity is still very, very strong.

I realize it is still somewhat popular, I personally don't see the point is all I'm saying. Like if you don't already own one I think 308 or 300 wm are just better calibers to buy. "Kind of dead" was probably the wrong phrase.

 

[jlagman]

I think the .30-'06 is a great "if you only had one centrefire rifle" cartridge, I feel similarly about .308 and because of my preferences and the slight edge it has in availability due to shitloads of 7.62 NATO, I went with that. I think the .300 WM is a tad too specialized and I don't really think it should be someone's first and/or only rifle. It will cost more to shoot, while it's a very popular round, it's still more scarce than either .308 or .30-'06, some people don't like that much blast or recoil, if you end up using it to shoot a 150lbs deer within 200 yards, what's the point of having that much gun?

 

[jlagman]

I'm just analysing the guy's situation, taking his dad's gun's out of the picture. He's got an AR, presumably .223/5.56, don't know about a lot of places in the US, but there's nowhere up here, that I'm aware of that allows that cartridge to be legally used for big game.

He's got a project AR-10 which isn't finished and going by the way most people go about projects, .308 seems out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

I think in that case, .30-'06 is a good direction to go in.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

I kinda have been hung up on the 30-06 because as a family it's the one main hunting caliber we don't have. And the other thing is, when I finally move out.... well, the only guns I'll have is 2 1911s, a Glock, an AR-15 that I can't seem to get to shoot straight, and then two parts for a AR-10.

I'm also 6'4" so short action guns won't really work for me unfortunately.

Yeah, I could use his Winchest Model 70 Alaska in .300 WinMag but it's a pre-1961 one, which means I'd try to handle it like a baby, AND, it came out before people knew what buttpads were and just has a fucking brass plate on the back.

I can see that. Round out the family collection with one. I'm just saying if it were me I think there are better options to get and use.

Does the shorter action really not feel right for you?

I was looking at the vanguard specs and the rifle oal difference is 1/2" between them. That's like a recoil pad.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

I'm just analysing the guy's situation, taking his dad's gun's out of the picture. He's got an AR, presumably .223/5.56, don't know about a lot of places in the US, but there's nowhere up here, that I'm aware of that allows that cartridge to be legally used for big game.

He's got a project AR-10 which isn't finished and going by the way most people go about projects, .308 seems out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

I think in that case, .30-'06 is a good direction to go in.

Yeah I guess you're right.

 

[Gregolian]

I can see that. Round out the family collection with one. I'm just saying if it were me I think there are better options to get and use.

Does the shorter action really not feel right for you?

I was looking at the vanguard specs and the rifle oal difference is 1/2" between them. That's like a recoil pad.

Shooting a shorter action gun my face is no longer on a cheekpiece it feels like it's on my hand.

 

[jlagman]

Shooting a shorter action gun my face is no longer on a cheekpiece it feels like it's on my hand.

Toss a recoil pad on that bitch to adjust the length of pull.

 

[jlagman]

@RerouteToRemain, just so you know, how you feel about .30-'06, is the way I personally feel about .40 S&W. Magazine capacity is a non-issue up here, they all hold maximum 10. So when I feel like being a cheap ass, I shoot 9mm. My "not home defense" pistol is a .45 Auto, I don't feel 40 has a place in my collection.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

@RerouteToRemain, just so you know, how you feel about .30-'06, is the way I personally feel about .40 S&W. Magazine capacity is a non-issue up here, they all hold maximum 10. So when I feel like being a cheap ass, I shoot 9mm. My "not home defense" pistol is a .45 Auto, I don't feel 40 has a place in my collection.

I got the s&w shield 40 (mostly because of the dirt cheap $299+ free shipping). However yesterday while out shooting my buddy asked me if I think he should look at a .40 and I said no. The only guns I like the .40 in is single stack sub compact.