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Elections What's your final prediction in who wins in the US 2024 election?

Who's going to win?

  • Donald Trump

  • Kamala Harris


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What "you guys"? I've already said multiple times he's a clown, unfit for office and Im not voting for him. Your response is that Im "hardcore partisan".
Yeah, we see that a lot. People defend every little thing Trump does and support various CTs (his legal troubles are "lawfare," his debate loss was because the moderators were against him, etc.), and then add "oh, but he's bad" as if it absolves them of hackery.
 
Yeah, you keep repeating it. I gave you the definition of base. You can ignore it if you want but that's just a fundamental gap in our communication and we can't find any common ground because of it.
Again, the fundamental issue with the whole discussion is that your position is entirely faith-based. You can't reason about it because it's not founded on observations or logic.
 
Either Donald Trump or Donald Trump with a tan, wig and pant suit.
 
Yeah, we see that a lot. People defend every little thing Trump does and support various CTs (his legal troubles are "lawfare," his debate loss was because the moderators were against him, etc.), and then add "oh, but he's bad" as if it absolves them of hackery.
I see a lot that you just insinuate things that are flat out untrue. I've mentioned multiple times why he lost the debate, and it wasnt because of the moderation, even though I do think there was an obvious bias with them. The two things can exist simultaneously. He lost for very valid reasons, and at the same time the moderators did show an obvious bias.

Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?
 
I see a lot that you just insinuate things that are flat out untrue. I've mentioned multiple times why he lost the debate, and it wasnt because of the moderation, even though I do think there was an obvious bias with them. The two things can exist simultaneously. He lost for very valid reasons, and at the same time the moderators did show an obvious bias.
I don't see the claim that moderators were biased against him or that the legal system is biased against him or generally that everything he does wrong is because of a conspiracy against him to be in the range of respectable opinion, as opposed to cultish mantras.

The "bias" is toward truth, and Trump had a couple of egregious lies pointed out. Meanwhile, the kinds of things Republicans wanted checked were like, "yes, it’s true that he said there were good people on both sides at Charlotteville, but Harris should have added that he exempted the Nazis from that." That would be insane, and if they did that to Trump, there would be no time for anything else.
Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?
It's not at all. I haven't been anything but. It's not dishonest to disagree with Republicans. I relate that term more to telling the truth.

I think you should reflect on how your comments lead a reasonable observer to conclude that you hold positions you then disavow.
 
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I don't see the claim that moderators were biased against him or that the legal system is biased against him or generally that everything he does wrong is because of a conspiracy against him to be in the range of respectable opinion, as opposed to cultish mantras.
And thats pretty much the problem. Everything is due to your personal internal logic and you don't validate it with anything external. It's all your belief. When things don't line up with your thinking it's just "cultish mantras" and everyone else is "super partisan", then you and only you get to dictate what positions are reasonable and unreasonable. Then you can dismiss everything that falls under the unreasonable category, which is probably just about everything you disagree with.

Through all the criticisms I have of both Biden and Harris, I completely understand why anyone would vote for either of them over Trump. Even when I disagree about whether or not mods were biased, I can still understand why someone would think they arent. I'm capable of disagreement while at the same time understanding someone's rationale. You don't have that capability.

At any rate, this conversation has gone on too long. Go ahead and have the last word. Let me guess, a snide, ever so slight implication of bias and partisan hackery?
 
And thats pretty much the problem. Everything is due to your personal internal logic and you don't validate it with anything external. It's all your belief. When things don't line up with your thinking it's just "cultish mantras" and everyone else is "super partisan", then you and only you get to dictate what positions are reasonable and unreasonable. Then you can dismiss everything that falls under the unreasonable category, which is probably just about everything you disagree with.
What do you mean? I gave an example to illustrate it, and I could explain more if you're genuinely curious. I think another big problem with the claim is a lack of any plausible motive. If it's that the moderators were intentionally trying to undermine Trump, why? If it's that it's unconscious, what's causing it? What is the precise nature of the bias? But I think "all non-Republican media is against us" is central to the identity of Republicans, and thus not something that you guys are capable of discussing calmly.
Through all the criticisms I have of both Biden and Harris, I completely understand why anyone would vote for either of them over Trump. Even when I disagree about whether or not mods were biased, I can still understand why someone would think they arent. I'm capable of disagreement while at the same time understanding someone's rationale. You don't have that capability.
Sure I do, and that's implicit in mentioning the line. There is a range of reasonable disagreement. I just don't think the "lawfare" or "biased moderation" CTs are on the good side of it. I read conservatives widely, and learn from many, and I have friends I respect who are conservative. I just don't put conservative views and wild conspiracy theories in the same category.
At any rate, this conversation has gone on too long. Go ahead and have the last word. Let me guess, a snide, ever so slight implication of bias and partisan hackery?
Well, the word would be that you didn't make any arguments at all for your case, and there are many facts that can't be explained by your theory (see liberal reactions to Weiner, Menendez, Biden, and Adams).
 
A lot of fugazy shit happened in 2020 but I simply can bring myself to say this.

I think there has been changes to correct this stuff. Hasn't there?

Nope. Still no voter ID and already saying it's going to take days to count votes in some swing states. I don't think Americans even understand how corrupt and garbage your election system truly is as you haven't voted anywhere else.

In Australia, we do paper ballets and we get election results the same day.

We also make election day a public holiday so everyone can vote and voting is mandatory.
 
My final prediction is who gives a shit at this point. Pick your favorite can and enjoy.
 
We also make election day a public holiday so everyone can vote and voting is mandatory

The 2 things Republicans will never agree to.

Republican victories rely on the least amount of people voting. Also US has like over 10x the population of Australia.
 
The 2 things Republicans will never agree to.

Republican victories rely on the least amount of people voting. Also US has like over 10x the population of Australia.

I don't really care for mandatory voting, but I think it's a good idea to have a public holiday for election days so that everyone has a chance to go out and vote.

American voting and elections are as corrupt as any banana republic out there. It's insane that people think it's okay.

You literally have non citizens voting.
 
Polls that were off my 4-8 in 2020 are having Harris close to even in all of those swing states.

The most accurate pollster from 2020 has Trump winning the national vote by 3 points.

For example Biden was ahead 6.8 in the polling average in PA on this date 4 years ago and it's at a dead even tie now.
They'll keep ignoring this, and then when he wins they'll ignore you ever said this.
 
Yeah bro...I've definitely seen you accuse people of having "TDS" in here etc. Nobody does that who isn't gargling his balls.
I don't have TDS and I think Donald Trump is going to win the presidential election.
 
They'll keep ignoring this, and then when he wins they'll ignore you ever said this.

That's because most people don't want honest predictions and analysis. They want to just root for their team and bury their head in the sand.
 
I like you @Andy Capp even though I know you don't like me.

But I really hope you're ready to eat crow and be humble when Kamala loses. There is nothing wrong with predicting something wrong, as long as you don't memory hole it and pretend it never happened, and then avoid the topic like @GearSolidMetal likes to do.
 
That's because most people don't want honest predictions and analysis. They want to just root for their team and bury their head in the sand.
Which is fine, people should root for their teams, as long as they are ready to say they were wrong when the time comes.

A lot of your ilk were so convinced Trump would win 2020 and just straight up wouldn't accept it when he lost. Like @nostradumbass and @ColemanwastheGOAT

Everyone needs to learn to be humble in defeat.
 
I like you @Andy Capp even though I know you don't like me.

But I really hope you're ready to eat crow and be humble when Kamala loses. There is nothing wrong with predicting something wrong, as long as you don't memory hole it and pretend it never happened, and then avoid the topic like @GearSolidMetal likes to do.
I don't know you well enough to give a shit about you either way. What I don't like is your behaviour, specifically, your habit of tagging people into threads just to start shit with them or for backup as you stir up shit with someone else, as is the case with this post. I recall asking you to desist, alas.

Now listen up. There will be no dining on crow chez Andy regardless of the outcome and why the fuck should I? It's a close race by all accounts. Anyone who is certain of the outcome is failing to take everything into account--you, for example. Not to mention I have 3 wagers in the bet thread on the outcome so fuck right off with accusing me of not "putting my 'money' where my mouth is" as it were.

If Harris wins I will say y'all dodged a bullet and good riddance to bad rubbish. Let the Trump trials resume and send the fucker away for good. Any other Dem candidate besides Harris would do as well; I don't care about her personally.

If Trump wins, I will be very disappointed in The People. I will point out that y'all did it to yourselves and await the inevitable disaster to follow. Especially, if he enacts the tariffs he's been campaigning on both your country and mine will suffer a great deal. I'll probably have to close my business and do something else. I don't see any need to eat crow in anticipation of that. As I said before, I expect him to lose but then I expected him to lose in 2016 too. At that time I never thought the American people would be so crazy/stupid as to make Trump the candidate, let alone POTUS. So, we'll see when the time comes. Stick your crow up your arse.
 
I have no idea. I never would have guessed Trump would win in 2016. Fortunately Hillary was so unlikable and there were still enough Americans who had not been completely brainwashed by left wing propaganda. But now the Democrats have managed to corrupt our election systems and import new voters so it's a tossup in my opinion.
 
Which is fine, people should root for their teams, as long as they are ready to say they were wrong when the time comes.

A lot of your ilk were so convinced Trump would win 2020 and just straight up wouldn't accept it when he lost. Like @nostradumbass and @ColemanwastheGOAT

Everyone needs to learn to be humble in defeat.

I just think the election was fraudulent. Same way Dems think the 2000 and 2016 elections were.
 
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