What's more boring?

[Neck&Neck]

Wrastler

 

[BowserJr]

A point fighter that runs a lot with no power, or a wrestler with no sub game or no real gnp? Stand and pray vs lay and pray, the ultimate debate.

Run & Done vs lay & pray vs wall & stall?

My vote goes to lay & pray

 

[RockyLockridge]

Still more strikes than Ngannou vs Lewis. They threw like 6x more than Lewis and like 10x more than Ngannou.

And no, Rose vs Carla had far less strikes for a title fight.

Lewis won the fight with 20 strikes, FYI.

rose vs carla was like 5 years later

 

[legcramp]

U guys are low iq and casual, it's a chest battle bruh

 

[Safton]

I think wall-n-stall is the most boring, personally. Holding your opponent against the fence with no ability or intent to land impactful strikes or score takedowns for minutes on end... just an absolute slog to watch.

After that, I think the next most boring thing to watch is a staring contest on the feet. I'm not talking about the kind of striking fights most fans bitch about just because it doesn't look like a Gaethje-esque barn burner. A fighter using their reach or fighting off the back foot is fine, the way Blackshear did in his last fight. Ditto with someone using a bunch of lateral footwork, like Hermansson against Curtis. That's not boring point-fighting. It doesn't become boring to me until both fighters are just hanging around on the outside feinting and throwing noncommittal potshots and otherwise fighting at the intensity of a light sparring match for minutes at a time. Again, I hate that shit.

Lay-n-pray isn't great, but I'll watch it in moderation. Some fighters seem better at cooking their opponents with it than others, probably because they're better at using it to apply top pressure.

 

[orca]

A point fighter that runs a lot with no power, or a wrestler with no sub game or no real gnp? Stand and pray vs lay and pray, the ultimate debate.

sounds like gsp

 

[13Seconds]

There is only one thing more borring to me than that and that's sloppy desperate takedown attempts that have ZERO chance of completion ala Woodley vs Maia. it was half starring contest, Half desperate weak hearted takedown attempts. I had friends over for that ppv and ä4 people fell asleep during that fight.

Yeah that was beyond terrible. Wild how Demian Maia has been part of some of the most awful titlefights in UFC history.

 

[markys00]

They’re equally boring.


Decisions happen, but fighters who go in there with the sole objective of point fighting are an embarrassment to the sport. They will never be GOAT.


I’ve never see Fedor do some shit like wall n stall or jab and run away all fight.

This is incorrect. 95% of goats and like 98% of all UFC fighters are point fighters.

 

[Luffy]

Tell guys like prime Chuck, Wanderlei, BJ, Nog, Rampage, Hendo, Shogun, etc. to play the decision point fighting game that has become common in todays MMA lol.

Yeah, give all these guys those high chemicals and they'll fight like that too. The fact is that MMA is very well studied, no one runs wildly punching and goes full pressure. Otherwise if they are fighting vs a good striker, they'll be countered and rocked or if against a good striker but an even better wrestler, they will be pin down.

If the fighters are not in those kind of PEDs the ones you mentioned were, then add that to MMA becoming more technical (which = better, more efficient than before), then you will have what you consider a "boring" fights happen more often.

What you consider boring though I consider higher level, in some cases, most likely. For example you might have like that Jiri vs Hill fight more than the Alex vs Ankalaev one. I did not... Because Jiri vs Hill lacked refined technique... Sounded more like two brawlers going in there trying to just KO the other many times, all while leaving themselves wide open to counter punches. That's why they can't be a match for Pereira or Ankalaev. Pereira and Ankalaev seemed more boring but it was a higher level fight simply because they are elite fighters.... They won't be throwing 10 punches every 30 seconds, they'll be changing octagon positions, feinting attacks to gauge each one's reaction to that, and when getting into exchanges, quicker ones.

It's more boring to whoever just want to see a fight with violence. But in terms of technique many what ppl call boring fights like Pereira vs Ank shows they're good fighters and aren't fighting like a bar fight, but a fight that revolves around... More than just "going at it and fuck it all"

 

[SuspectChin]

A point fighter that runs a lot with no power, or a wrestler with no sub game or no real gnp? Stand and pray vs lay and pray, the ultimate debate.

This basically describes both Andrei Arlovski (in his last UFC outing) and Merab Dvalishvili.

 

[Poirierfan]

Yeah, give all these guys those high chemicals and they'll fight like that too. The fact is that MMA is very well studied, no one runs wildly punching and goes full pressure. Otherwise if they are fighting vs a good striker, they'll be countered and rocked or if against a good striker but an even better wrestler, they will be pin down.

If the fighters are not in those kind of PEDs the ones you mentioned were, then add that to MMA becoming more technical (which = better, more efficient than before), then you will have what you consider a "boring" fights happen more often.

What you consider boring though I consider higher level, in some cases, most likely. For example you might have like that Jiri vs Hill fight more than the Alex vs Ankalaev one. I did not... Because Jiri vs Hill lacked refined technique... Sounded more like two brawlers going in there trying to just KO the other many times, all while leaving themselves wide open to counter punches. That's why they can't be a match for Pereira or Ankalaev. Pereira and Ankalaev seemed more boring but it was a higher level fight simply because they are elite fighters.... They won't be throwing 10 punches every 30 seconds, they'll be changing octagon positions, feinting attacks to gauge each one's reaction to that, and when getting into exchanges, quicker ones.

It's more boring to whoever just want to see a fight with violence. But in terms of technique many what ppl call boring fights like Pereira vs Ank shows they're good fighters and aren't fighting like a bar fight, but a fight that revolves around... More than just "going at it and fuck it all"

lol, all the fighters you just shit on would murder 90% of the fighters today and not because of the PED's like you claim.

 

[Hotora86]

Watching Machida point fighting and barely getting hit while frustrating his opponents for 14 fights in a row was fun to me. But then again, my background is Karate so I can appreciate that kind of skill.

Watching wrestlers lay on top is not fun. But then again, I never wrestled and can't appreciate that kind of skill. Maybe it's fun to watch for wrestlers?

Matter of taste.

 

[GolovKing]

Lay n pray is more boring. Truth be told in mma most of the guys who get criticized for being point fighters like Adesanya or Ian Garry are actually fairly exciting and dangerous enough with their strikes otherwise everyone would just walk through their strikes and smother them against the cage or take them down. MMA doesn't really allow you to be a non-threatening pillow fighter. You can get away with that style more in boxing because in those rules you can't just smother and grapple but not in mma

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

A point fighter that runs a lot with no power, or a wrestler with no sub game or no real gnp? Stand and pray vs lay and pray, the ultimate debate.

At least with a pointfighter, there's a chance someone is still getting knocked out. When the lay & pray starts and the ref does nothing about it, you know you're in for 15 minutes of shit.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

Both are boring, but to me, stand and pray is more boring. The takedown sequences at least require a lot of skill and are entertaining. With stand and pray, nothing really ever happens. Note, however, that I'm largely biased as a former wrestler.