Whats going on in Chicago?

BrianFantana said:
Oh, I know what the idea is. The idea hasn't worked for two centuries, but they keep clinging to the notion it will work. The US has over 300 million guns, and the highest rate of gun violence anywhere in the world. The guns aren't protecting anyone to any significant degree.

But everyone knows that. They may be less familiar with what happened in Australia, after strict gun law reform was introduced in 1996 following a string of mass shootings: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362.

I will let anyone and everyone peruse that study (they will not) and offer pointed criticisms of same (charming, I know).
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BrianFantana said:
Oh, I know what the idea is. The idea hasn't worked for two centuries, but they keep clinging to the notion it will work. The US has over 300 million guns, and the highest rate of gun violence anywhere in the world. The guns aren't protecting anyone to any significant degree.

But everyone knows that. They may be less familiar with what happened in Australia, after strict gun law reform was introduced in 1996 following a string of mass shootings: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362.

I will let anyone and everyone peruse that study (they will not) and offer pointed criticisms of same (charming, I know).
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Are you familiar with what counter factuals are?
 
tdluxon said:
Exactly... Having strict gun laws in a small area is not going to solve the problem when someone can drive 10 minutes and they'll be somewhere where gun laws are lax. This is clearly a problem that can only be dealt with on a national level.

The us is the only first world country where guns are so easily available, and, big surprise, has by far the highest rates of gun violence. How can people not understand that this is clearly a problem (not to mention that what is happening now is clearly not what the founding fathers were intending when they wrote the second amendment)?
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The argument here is that were it but for the presence of guns there would be less amount of violence? Do you have evidence for that?
 
 
We here in California also received a nice gift from Chicago in the form of a new woman police chief in Oakland leading the way help us all.
 
BrianFantana said:
Hilarious. The Republican answer, with strong lobbying by the NRA, is, no shit: gun control doesn't work; the people need more guns to stop all the gun violence.

Guns = violence, but guns + guns = less violence.

It's simple calculus, really.
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Shouldn't you be in the OT getting your shit pushed in?
 
MusterX said:
Yea it may be hitting a higher peak this year but its always really bad in Chicago. Just in the last 15 years here are some Chicago homicide numbers.

2000: 633[101]
2001: 667[101]
2002: 656[101]
2003: 601[101]
2004: 453[101]
2005: 602[101]
2006: 471[101]
2007: 448[101]
2008: 513[101]
2009: 459[101]
2010: 436[101]
2011: 435[101]
2012: 516[102]
2013: 441[32]
2014: 432[32]
2015: 492
2016: 762[103]
So basically, its been a shithole for shootings for a long time. You are saying the 762 should get their attention but I'm saying they should have been doing something about it 15 years ago when they had 633, 667, 656, and 601 to start the new century.
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You are correct, sir. We should have done something in 2013 and those other years that it dipped below 500! Clearly, those are the aberrant years. Why aren't they shooting each other? Are we doing something wrong that they can't spend money on ammunition? Are we locking too many people up? This can't stand!

Oh, and before some stool eater says that my sarcasm was racist and I want to see black people die, you are wrong and well, go fuck yourself.
 
nhbbear said:
You are correct, sir. We should have done something in 2013 and those other years that it dipped below 500! Clearly, those are the aberrant years. Why aren't they shooting each other? Are we doing something wrong that they can't spend money on ammunition? Are we locking too many people up? This can't stand!

Oh, and before some stool eater says that my sarcasm was racist and I want to see black people die, you are wrong and well, go fuck yourself.
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From some of your other posts it reads like Chitown is your AO (police term?)?
 
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BrianFantana said:
Hilarious. The Republican answer, with strong lobbying by the NRA, is, no shit: gun control doesn't work; the people need more guns to stop all the gun violence.

Guns = violence, but guns + guns = less violence.

It's simple calculus, really.
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But we on the right disagree with the premise that guns = violence.

My gun hasn't ever hurt anyone.

But when you outlaw guns, only criminals have them, and then they become the ultimate tools of violence. If everyone has guns, criminals are much less likely to want to brandish one, or they end up like this guy:

 
Byron Carter said:
But we on the right disagree with the premise that guns = violence.

My gun hasn't ever hurt anyone.

But when you outlaw guns, only criminals have them, and then they become the ultimate tools of violence. If everyone has guns, criminals are much less likely to want to brandish one, or they end up like this guy:

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Approximately 0.9% less! That's a lot!
 
Gangbangers do not care about laws. Never have.

There are over 200 million privately owned guns in the US. Ban every last one of them, and you have a lot more criminals on your hands, including me. Now how many of those do you get off the street? Not many. Even Chicago police officers and PD's all over the country said they wouldn't go on a door to door confiscation if that were the case.

I don't blame them. They don't want to see another "prohibition" on their hands. In Chicago, we saw what happened with prohibition when it single handedly allowed people like Al Capone to thrive and the violence that accompanied the black market running of alcohol.

It's part of the culture here, albeit a sad part of our culture. The state of Illinois, the County of Cook and the City of Chicago have tried every thing to curb gun violence through petty gun laws and it has never made a difference to the very people who are going to do whatever they need to or want to do to shoot someone. The main focus should be trying reduce poverty in this city. That doesn't mean throwing money at people either... they should be getting people out of these failed communities who want the chance to leave and get them into job programs. More importantly allow them to get their kids out of this environment where it acceptable and expected to fail and possibly die at a young age.
 
TeTe said:
Gangbangers do not care about laws. Never have.

There are over 200 million privately owned guns in the US. Ban every last one of them, and you have a lot more criminals on your hands, including me. Now how many of those do you get off the street? Not many. Even Chicago police officers and PD's all over the country said they wouldn't go on a door to door confiscation if that were the case.

I don't blame them. They don't want to see another "prohibition" on their hands. In Chicago, we saw what happened with prohibition when it single handedly allowed people like Al Capone to thrive and the violence that accompanied the black market running of alcohol.

It's part of the culture here, albeit a sad part of our culture. The state of Illinois, the County of Cook and the City of Chicago have tried every thing to curb gun violence through petty gun laws and it has never made a difference to the very people who are going to do whatever they need to or want to do to shoot someone. The main focus should be trying reduce poverty in this city. That doesn't mean throwing money at people either... they should be getting people out of these failed communities who want the chance to leave and get them into job programs. More importantly allow them to get their kids out of this environment where it acceptable and expected to fail and possibly die at a young age.
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I support this.
 
TeTe said:
Gangbangers do not care about laws. Never have.

There are over 200 million privately owned guns in the US. Ban every last one of them, and you have a lot more criminals on your hands, including me. Now how many of those do you get off the street? Not many. Even Chicago police officers and PD's all over the country said they wouldn't go on a door to door confiscation if that were the case.

I don't blame them. They don't want to see another "prohibition" on their hands. In Chicago, we saw what happened with prohibition when it single handedly allowed people like Al Capone to thrive and the violence that accompanied the black market running of alcohol.

It's part of the culture here, albeit a sad part of our culture. The state of Illinois, the County of Cook and the City of Chicago have tried every thing to curb gun violence through petty gun laws and it has never made a difference to the very people who are going to do whatever they need to or want to do to shoot someone. The main focus should be trying reduce poverty in this city. That doesn't mean throwing money at people either... they should be getting people out of these failed communities who want the chance to leave and get them into job programs. More importantly allow them to get their kids out of this environment where it acceptable and expected to fail and possibly die at a young age.
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What the hell do you want people to say??

"Well, the reality is it's going to take quite a few thousand white males with rifles to go in and shoot the worse 20% right off the bat.. And then they have to stay there and raise the children without dads into civilized culture, teaching them not to be primitively aggressive morons who only know how to speak loud and act like teenagers (at best) their whole lives. And that is the solution, unless the genetic variant for shooting people over minor, immature disagreements is too strong, then it's kill everybody."

Well nobody, including me, wants to say that. We want people to start acting like people. To get over the "crime is cool" 12-13 year old stage, and join the United States. That goes for any race. I want factories to be able to open in that area to provide jobs that allow people to live a life not of crime, but of production. I want all "sides" of Chicago to act in a similar way, that maybe isn't antiseptic and free of any mischief at all, but is at least civilized and allows for business to happen.
 
ripskater said:
You will hear nothing from Obama and the liberal media about Chicago and the violence there. But if a thug from Ferguson attacks a store clerk and a cop and gets shot, Obama will hold press conference and it's all over the national media. Because it must have been racism.
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Not really true my friend. I can find dozens, probably even hundreds of media articals from liberal sources on violence in Chiraq. I think it is more matter of it being Old News at this point. Like the Fukishima raditation spill, all well informed people already know and accept it.

This is just from the last couple weeks:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/04/us/chicago-shootings.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/us/chicago-murder-rate-gun-deaths.html?_r=0



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/01/06/chicago-facebook-assault/96254060/



I found several more but just picked the top bunch. If by media you meant fox and CNN well,

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/us/chicago-homicides-visual-guide/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-gun-deaths-chicago-mark-deadly-start-new-year-n703111

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/...olence-bruce-rauner-homicide-second-amendment

All of this stuff is covered, we have a 24 hour news cycle so sometimes we numb ourselves to the parts we don't care about.
 
Chicago is in America right? So Chicagos problems are American problems? What does it say that America has lost control of their own cities? We see so many people here give sweden and Germany shit....but those places are nowhere near as bad and lawless as some areas in America
 
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