What would people be saying if the champions of other divisions were doing the same thing as Jon is doing?

[fzoid4454]

FTFY

Doesn't matter what you think about the matchup. He signed on for the fight in good faith, and did everything he was supposed to, and Jones was injured, delaying the fight. There's no reason to take that from the fighter who did everything they were supposed to do.

I get that because Jones is involved, you need to make up arbitrary shit that never applies to anyone else, but that's generally not how you treat competitors who are trying to comply with the agreement entered into.

 

[mkess101]

Doesn't matter what you think about the matchup. He signed on for the fight in good faith, and did everything he was supposed to, and Jones was injured, delaying the fight. There's no reason to take that from the fighter who did everything they were supposed to do.

I get that because Jones is involved, you need to make up arbitrary shit that never applies to anyone else, but that's generally not how you treat competitors who are trying to comply with the agreement entered into.

A few things.

First, I'm on record as saying (even again in post 100 itt) that I have no problem with the fact Jones fought Stipe. It became a LITTLE more suspect once there was an interim champ and Stipe's inactivity had reached 3 and a half years. BUT, even saying that I was never one that was saying it was a travesty or any of that. It was ABSOLUTELY a squash match meant to give Jones an easy defense and Stipe one more payday. But that was fine, they'd both earned it imo.

The point is more (and this isn’t you necessarily) the attempt to sell it as something it clearly wasn't. They were NOT trying to give the best and most worthy challengers a shot. You've had fights (title fights) signed, an injury, then situations change and things get reshuffled due to the new circumstances. And having an interim champ would certainly be one.

If Jon and Stipe and the UFC want to pretend that was a legit defense that's fine. They should, because they have to. But here, as allegedly knowledgeable fans (debatable in plenty of cases I realize) can't we just be honest?

 

[Prazeres]

Incorrect Stipe featured a PPV as champion just under two year prior to Jones called him out.


Look it doesnt matter what you feel. The facts are Stipe was #2 after #1 Gane

Jones and more importantly the UFC was NOT going to book some random fighter than never appeared on a PPV against the HW champ and GOAT no less

Thats just idiotic

Do you know how time work?

 

[Prazeres]

That's generally not how it works for someone already signed to a fight.

Shavkat and Arman were signed to fight

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Homie,
We been over this before repeatedly

That was the ranking when Jones beat Gane.

If you're gonna do this retroactive argument, then it should be when Jon-Stipe was booked, not when Jon beat Gane. Like you suggested here:

Okay let me rephrase, even though Im sure you know what I meant

Jones beat the #2 (at the time the fight was made) 160 days ago

That would still be untrue. Stipe dropped to #3.

I heard your point you dont feel Stipe should have been ranked so high, but he was,
and the ONLY person Jones could possibly call out after becoming champ.

That's a lie. Take a look at who was above Stipe (who would be ineligible for rankings if they actually had consistent rules for it) when they booked the fight. You keep moving the subject to Tom, but Jon's world only needed to revolve Tom once that interim belt happened. Before that, Jon's history of not fighting the actual contender was already well underway

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Doesn't matter what you think about the matchup. He signed on for the fight in good faith, and did everything he was supposed to, and Jones was injured, delaying the fight. There's no reason to take that from the fighter who did everything they were supposed to do.

The idea that, while a champ is out, the already established contender runs the risk of getting leapfrogged if they sit and don't take a fight to stay busy is NOT new territory. You are either blindingly ignorant of that, or the irony of your next statement is incredible

I get that because Jones is involved, you need to make up arbitrary shit that never applies to anyone else

that's generally not how you treat competitors who are trying to comply with the agreement entered into.

Ah yes, because the UFC is so well known for treating competitors fairly, even when doing everything right. Again, just either blindingly ignorant or purposely delusional.

Shavkat says hi, btw. Guy was already the contender. Actually took a backup fight like Stipe didn't. And yet, it's being reported they're working on having him return against Belal, not a title shot. Strange way to treat a competitor who went above and beyond the agreements he entered into

 

[fzoid4454]

The idea that, while a champ is out, the already established contender runs the risk of getting leapfrogged if they sit and don't take a fight to stay busy is NOT new territory. You are either blindingly ignorant of that, or the irony of your next statement is incredible

It's not new territory, and, once again, you are imagining arguments that I'm not making. I was not responding to anything saying that Fighter X should have gotten a fight instead - it was that Stipe should not have been allowed to fight, basically, at all because of Jones getting injured and delaying the date.

So, my statement is neither ironic or ignorant. What you decided to substitute, on your own, for what I actually said might be. But that's convenient for you.

Context matters. It's absurd how often you guys supposedly take me to task for shit I haven't said or argued. I say what I say, and how I say it to communicate very specific concepts. Don't try to take me to task because it's "close enough" to something more convenient for you to knock down.

 

[fzoid4454]

Shavkat and Arman were signed to fight

And we can come up with many, many more examples where people were signed to fight, it got delayed because of injury, and the original matchup was held.

Not sure why you think a single example somehow rebuts a statement about what "generally happens."

Also, in your example, it was the CHALLENGER who pulled out, and they found a replacement to contest the championship fight. It wasn't the champ being pulled out, and then the original matchup being scuttled once the champ was ready to go, though I'm sure that's happened on occasion. But not as often as keeping the original matchup.

 

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

I know one thing --- if it was flyweight none of us would care

 

[icemun]

If you're gonna do this retroactive argument, then it should be when Jon-Stipe was booked, not when Jon beat Gane. Like you suggested here:

That would still be untrue. Stipe dropped to #3.


That's a lie. Take a look at who was above Stipe (who would be ineligible for rankings if they actually had consistent rules for it) when they booked the fight. You keep moving the subject to Tom, but Jon's world only needed to revolve Tom once that interim belt happened. Before that, Jon's history of not fighting the actual contender was already well underway

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.


There is not "retroactive argument" wut?

Gane was #1 when Jones became champion and he called out the #2 Stipe






Are you trying to say he should have called out someone else?

 

[rjmbrd]

You perceive facts/reality contrary to your personal feelings and emotions as "stupid".

You see the facts before you and cry in the rain-

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones, Asked For Health Insurance And Other Benefits For Fighters​

"B-b-b-but Francis didnt quit the UFC. Jooooones!".

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"b-b-b-but I dont like the UFC rankings."
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Defying reality itself, with obtuse personal opinion, is by its very definition, stupidity.

Don't tip your fedora at me fatty

 

[SuperAlly]

I know one thing --- if it was flyweight none of us would care

Heavyweight is more popular weight than lighter weights in combat sports?!

 

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

Heavyweight is more popular weight than lighter weights in combat sports?!

Well then what's bro trying to say? That we would care less? Or more because he thinks we don't hate Jon Jones enough? This thread has me confused.

 

[SuperAlly]

Well then what's bro trying to say? That we would care less? Or more because he thinks we don't hate Jon Jones enough? This thread has me confused.

Not sure what hes trying to say, i do agree eople care more because it's the premier division and not so much because it's Jon (of course that's a factor, but not the only or main one).

 

[BangBang]

Jon Jones represents the UFC, he has been the long standing greatest fighter it has ever had, and losimg him by stripping him of the title, is not a great way to manage his exit from the company.

 

[SuperAlly]

Jon Jones represents the UFC, he has been the long standing greatest fighter it has ever had, and him forcing the company to strip him of the title because he wont fight the interim champ, is not a great way for him to manage his exit from the company.

Agreed. ,)

 

[NenadRS]

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.


There is not "retroactive argument" wut?

Gane was #1 when Jones became champion and he called out the #2 Stipe



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Are you trying to say he should have called out someone else?

When was this, 5 years ago, irrelevant, he fought Stipe half year ago.

Jones is not real champion in HW in my opinion, GSP winning against Bisping for a belt was much more legit than these 2 HW fights that Jones had in last 4 years. Winning against opponent that lost to champ. And not fighting biggest title contender for years.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

the other champions dont have the leverage or history that jones does, or potential for future marketing either, so they would obviously STFU and keep fighting, lest they be dimwitted.