What would people be saying if the champions of other divisions were doing the same thing as Jon is doing?

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I do think that because it's Tom and the Heavyweight division, the uproar is nowhere near as bad as it could or would be if this was any other champion. If this was Islam, or DDP, or Volk, or Merab, I wonder what the narrative would be from the MMA media/fanbase etc. I genuinely believe it's because the HW division isn't as interesting or competitive as the lower divisions that Jon is getting way more leeway.

The constant excuse for Jon I'm hearing is that Jon has achieved so much in his career that he doesn't need to care, or it isn't important to fight Tom to prove anything. I find it bemusing that people are saying this about a current champion. Jon hasn't fought a top 10 guy at HW since winning the belt. He beat an old Stipe who was 3 years away from the sport after being starched by N'Gannou. I am just amazed how the UFC has been operating regarding Jon. Does Jon seriously have that much pull these days for the UFC to not want to strip him?
 
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loisestrad said:
At this very moment there are 8 threads on Jon on the first page, all of them consisting of a vast majority of posts hating on Jon.

Just sayin'.
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Ok, but the mma media, especially the ex or even current fighters aren't showing that consistency with the criticism. The likes of Ariel and his media buddies are on a similar page in criticising Jon/UFC, but I've read and heard from ex or current fighters in the media who say that Jon's achievements somehow give him immunity for his actions.
 
AzorAhai1 said:
I do think that because it's Tom and the Heavyweight division, the uproar is nowhere near as bad as it could or would be if this was any other champion. If this was Islam, or DDP, or Volk, or Merab, I wonder what the narrative would be from the MMA media/fanbase etc. I genuinely believe it's because the HW division isn't as interesting or competitive as the lower divisions that Jon is getting way more leeway.

The constant excuse for Jon I'm hearing is that Jon has achieved so much in his career that he doesn't need to care, or it isn't important to fight Tom to prove anything. I find it bemusing that people are saying this about a current champion. Jon hasn't fought a top 10 guy at HW since winning the belt. He beat an old Stipe who was 3 years away from the sport after being starched by N'Gannou. I am just amazed how the UFC has been operating regarding Jon. Does Jon seriously have that much pull these days for the UFC to not want to strip him?
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loisestrad said:
At this very moment there are 8 threads on Jon on the first page, all of them consisting of a vast majority of posts hating on Jon.

Just sayin'.
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I guess that means that a lot of people are pissed off at the situation. What's your thread about? Can we bump it for you?
 
people pick and choose what to object to, based on who they like. biggest example of it was probably with nick diaz, mr tough guy thug from the streets ultimate badass, who literally sits on his ass in the middle of a fight and does a roberto duran no mas and... crickets. no objection, no problem, didn't happen, we just won't mention it. while a guy like gsp gets shit all over because he tapped to strikes once.
 
VAfan said:
people pick and choose what to object to, based on who they like. biggest example of it was probably with nick diaz, mr tough guy thug from the streets ultimate badass, who literally sits on his ass in the middle of a fight and does a roberto duran no mas and... crickets. no objection, no problem, didn't happen, we just won't mention it. while a guy like gsp gets shit all over because he tapped to strikes once.
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People shouldn't have shit on either of them, but the context of those two situations were very different
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
Expecting consistency from an online karate forum has to be one of the most self-flagellating things ever
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Except he’s talking about the media, and ex-UFC fighters. That has ZERO to do with SD.

The “MMA media” will go out of their way not to piss off Dana/UFC. So from them you’ll always get no controversy. It’s mostly only Helwani, and for a good reason.

If you were around back then (Just before UFC 200). You’ll remember Helwani was the Golden Child of Dana. First question at the pressers, unlimited access, etc. Like John Morgan, now.

And Helwani fucked that up. I think what he did was wrong (Announcing Lesnar’s return before the UFC officially broke the story). You don’t bite the hand that is feeding you Filet Mignon, and Lobster. Washing it down with Dom Perignon.

He upstaged Dana. And if I was Dana, I’d have been pissed too. I wouldn’t have tried to sink the careers of (Wasn’t it 3 people that had their UFC accreditation revoked). But he would certainly no longer have been the Golden Child. And if you don’t understand that. I’m not sure what to tell you. For Dana it’s 100% about loyalty to him/UFC. They will toe the party line.

So that portion of the media will maintain that Jones is the GOAT for as long as Dana/UFC says so.

As far as the fighters are concerned.

Imo..

The ONLY way they ignore his PED busts, is because they are cheating as well. There is literally no other REASONABLE explanation to the contrary.

This has nothing to do SD, smarten up.
 
There is plenty of up roar form hardcore fans................the issue of why it isn't pushed harder by avg fans and the UFC is there really isn't any other fight at HW anyone is clamoring for. Tom vs Gane does nothing for most fans and that is literally the best HW match up they can do outside of Jones vs Tom, unless Alex moves up.
 
AzorAhai1 said:
I do think that because it's Tom and the Heavyweight division, the uproar is nowhere near as bad as it could or would be if this was any other champion. If this was Islam, or DDP, or Volk, or Merab, I wonder what the narrative would be from the MMA media/fanbase etc. I genuinely believe it's because the HW division isn't as interesting or competitive as the lower divisions that Jon is getting way more leeway.

The constant excuse for Jon I'm hearing is that Jon has achieved so much in his career that he doesn't need to care, or it isn't important to fight Tom to prove anything. I find it bemusing that people are saying this about a current champion. Jon hasn't fought a top 10 guy at HW since winning the belt. He beat an old Stipe who was 3 years away from the sport after being starched by N'Gannou. I am just amazed how the UFC has been operating regarding Jon. Does Jon seriously have that much pull these days for the UFC to not want to strip him?
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It HAS happened with other champions in other weight divisions.
 
AzorAhai1 said:
I do think that because it's Tom and the Heavyweight division, the uproar is nowhere near as bad as it could or would be if this was any other champion. If this was Islam, or DDP, or Volk, or Merab, I wonder what the narrative would be from the MMA media/fanbase etc. I genuinely believe it's because the HW division isn't as interesting or competitive as the lower divisions that Jon is getting way more leeway.

The constant excuse for Jon I'm hearing is that Jon has achieved so much in his career that he doesn't need to care, or it isn't important to fight Tom to prove anything. I find it bemusing that people are saying this about a current champion. Jon hasn't fought a top 10 guy at HW since winning the belt. He beat an old Stipe who was 3 years away from the sport after being starched by N'Gannou. I am just amazed how the UFC has been operating regarding Jon. Does Jon seriously have that much pull these days for the UFC to not want to strip him?
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Tom is the Prince who was Promised.

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I'd say, "Hey. Knock it off. You need to be the GOAT if you wanna make moves like that."
 
Do the other champs have 17 title wins and no decisive losses in the last decade, or are they remaining their current selves?
 
VinceArch said:
They'd be screaming on here nonstop especially if Islam was doing it but the Conor fans/Dagestan haters have nothing left so they're latching on to Jon and acting like he has done no wrong lol.
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but you're all screaming about it nonstop now.
 
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We just saw it. People were attacking Islam Makhachev for wanting to be a double champ.
 
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