What would be JBJ's W-L record if he was not juiced his whole career?

[RealFedor]

Speculating, but probably around 17-1-5 (loses to DC, Gus, Rashad - he was at his peak when they fought,...). Mos of his strength in the clinch, and wrestling (he was taking his opponents whenever he wanted) was coming from PEDS (btw my favorite story is him hiding under the cage for 8 hours). Chael and DC both said how surprised they were with his strength. If he did not have that, we would be talking about solid top 5 LHW...

 

[ortizgnp]

25-0

 

[BRASIL WAND]

3-50

 

[mcf4]

Depends if same stipulation was made for his opponents. Somewhere between 0 and 3 losses is my best guess.

 

[OmegaRugal]

Loses to Gus, DC and maybe Machida while also still loses to Hammill.

 

[trident]

He'd likely still be undefeated

 

[wilKO]

0-25. We will never know. He might have beaten Matt Hamill.

 

[Mmaprovost]

He would have an amateur record of 1-4 and you wouldnt know who he is.

 

[Hotora86]

He'd never make it to the UFC.

 

[VVarhead]

We will never know.

 

[tithas]

The same as now. Steroids did not win his fights, talents did. the shit he was taking is practically useless as a PED.

 

[wigglestick]

We will never know, he might still be undefeated or he could have a few losses or even more but my guess is he wouldn't of beat cormier and probably lost to gus. One things for sure is it makes him look like a pussy to get caught on steroids vs the cormier fights and everyones thats not a nuthugger rightfully hates him for it

 

[Mmaprovost]

The same as now. Steroids did not win his fights, talents did. the shit he was taking is practically useless as a PED.

Tbol is practically useless as a ped? Statement like this makes you practically useless as a human being.

 

[RealFedor]

The same as now. Steroids did not win his fights, talents did. the shit he was taking is practically useless as a PED.

How do you mean steroids did not win his fights??? Strength does not mean anything for wrestling/MMA/taking opponents down/pinning them to the cage? Also, things he got caught for are masking real substances he was taking.

I know it is difficult to forget how dominant he was, but saying PEDs don't mean anything, and that it is all skill (and at the same time you rely on the clinch and wrestling in most of the fights) kind of makes you delusional.

 

[UFC=Pride]

No idea

 

[JKS]

It would be 23-1, better than the 22-1-NC he has now

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

24-0, without the roid rage, he does't get DQ'd versus Hamill.

 

[MrCoffee]

The same as now. Steroids did not win his fights, talents did. the shit he was taking is practically useless as a PED.

Quicker recovery allows more training and logged hours of practice and development of technique. If you can get 130% the training time compared to an opponent, the advantages are way better. What’s wrong with you, ya dang dingus?

 

[rurouni]

he would've won about 5 more fights that never happened b/c of suspension

 

[tithas]

Quicker recovery allows more training and logged hours of practice and development of technique. If you can get 130% the training time compared to an opponent, the advantages are way better. What’s wrong with you, ya dang dingus?

You mean steroids helped the guy who barely trained train even more? His team is on record saying he rarely trained.