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What stage do you believe UFC is at?

filthybliss said:
Don’t disrespect the old school legends like Suzuki…. They are the only reason that we have the ufc today.
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See I wouldn't have to if people didn't just completely disrespect the fighters of today. Random nobody who is fighting at the local armory this weekend destroys 90% of the dudes back then. Its crazy the way people talk about the fighters these days and get away with it when the fact of the matter is that Journeyman Joe off DWCS is closer in skill level to Francis Ngannou than Minoro Suzuki, Giant Silva, Alberto Del Rio ect are in skill level to Journeyman Joe. Sure the top maybe 5% back then were amazing but people seem to forget how terrible undercards were.
 
Yes, the sport will evolve quite a bit. Sure, they'll be gradual evolution of tactics and techniques, but the most prominent changes will come from big leaps forward (as we've already seen in mma).

Decades from now, the sport will be very different than it is now. I expect the training/preparation/nutrition to be much more scientific and the techniques/strategies to be more nuanced. I suspect that training will be more individualized at the highest level (as opposed to team gyms). And I wonder if power within the sport will be less centralized with the UFC, either with more government oversight or fighter organization (probably the former).
 
Point is: UFC pays poorly.

In my experience as a long time follower of several sports, once the data science people get in, a long leap forward happens shortly after. And no, not one of them, I'm a journalist.

Even if Dana pays ridiculously low, being a top UFC fighter (I'd say top 5 material, even if the athlete never gets there) at any division means big, big money coming at you from many potential ways.
And this flow of money will increase as the UFC exposure and audience keeps growing.

I believe the best gyms (ATT, AKK...) or teams around fighters will eventually bring in the nerds.
 
Right now, very strong.

15 years from now, it will be suffering because the current generation of up-and-coming American teenage athletes are seeing how little Dana would pay them and will start choosing other sports. Why make peanuts in the UFC when you can hold a clipboard in the NFL for a infinitely more? UFC will start to trip and stumble in coming years when American athletes abandon the sport and you're left with the Dagestanis (who obviously aren't bad).

That may be why he's going "all in" on Power Slap, because he knows he will never need to recruit and pay elite athletes, he can find two truck drivers and pay them whatever they'll take and he needs a parachute.
 
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RockyLockridge said:
It's doing what the WWE is doing. focusing solely on the brand rather than the entertainers.


What both are working towards is convincing their audience that their promotion is the best in the world. regardless of who they sign.

As long as the promotion is bigger than the competitors, They'll always have business no matter what.
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Exactly. They would love for fans to just want to attend a "UFC show" or buy a "UFC PPV" like wrestling fans do with WWE events regardless of who's headlining things.

Noche UFC is the biggest example of this. The brand will grow but the actual fighters will start to suck.
 
If UFC paid what NFL/NBA is paying all things change as we know it
 
StonedLemur said:
You think be smokes Holland?
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I dunno.

He hasnt "smoked" anyone yet. He def inflicts alot of damage and I thought he looked better in his last fight than his other two UFC fights, but he mostly just chips away at guys from the outside. He's got to get more comfortable in the pocket more but like I said he does seem to be improving with the experience.
 
HHJ said:
I dunno.

He hasnt "smoked" anyone yet. He def inflicts alot of damage and I thought he looked better in his last fight than his other two UFC fights, but he mostly just chips away at guys from the outside. He's got to get more comfortable in the pocket more but like I said he does seem to be improving with the experience.
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Even Oleksiejczuk took him down but did nothing with it.
I think his tdd might be his weakest link right now, but doesn't look uncomfortable when he's down there.

He has damn good elbows from bottom but that's not gonna fly against everyone.
I think he might knock Holland out though because Kevin likes to leap in, and he might get caught with that side kick Shara likes to throw.

Now I wanna see this matchup lol
 
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StonedLemur said:
Even Oleksiejczuk took him down but did nothing with it.
I think his tdd might be his weakest link right now, but doesn't look uncomfortable when he's down there.

He has damn good elbows from bottom but that's not gonna fly against everyone.
I think he might knock Holland out though because Kevin likes to leap in, and he might get caught with that side kick Shara likes to throw.

Now I wanna see this matchup lol
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Agreed.

Seriously he fucked Olek up from the bottom.
He sliced him up so bad he stopped picking his head up and just rode out the clock. I ain't never seen anyone do that before.
 
HHJ said:
Agreed.

Seriously he fucked Olek up from the bottom.
He sliced him up so bad he stopped picking his head up and just rode out the clock. I ain't never seen anyone do that before.
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Yeah he did lol.
Its definitely a danger weapon when he throws em from there.
He's lookin to hurt you with those.

I really wish they would let this dude fight in the states though.
 
StonedLemur said:
Yeah he did lol.
Its definitely a danger weapon when he throws em from there.
He's lookin to hurt you with those.

I really wish they would let this dude fight in the states though.
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He said in his social media that he can fight in some states and some he cant. He also said his contract is up and after what happened to Mokaev hes a little worried lol

Im sure its fine esp since he fought on short notice when they needed him.
 
FreddieRoachsVoice said:
MMA will not last IMHO. The entire point of the sport is to hurt someone... it is painfully obvious that the NFL is gradually getting people used to flag football knowing the change will eventually happen down the line.

Minotauro Nogueira aka Zombie Nog is only 48 years old FFS. We haven't even seen the iceberg of what's to come with CTE issues from MMA. Go watch a video of modern day Nam Phan and tell me MMA is going to have some 100+ year history to look back upon and he didn't absorb nearly the damage as someone like Tony Ferguson who will probably be a cautionary tale within 10-15 years.

Enjoy MMA while it lasts because it will very likely become like asbestos, lead paint, and chain smoking as a dangerous anomaly from the past that people look at with bewilderment that it ever existed
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Lol


How long has boxing existed for...


Id say MMA will be fine ...we got atleast another century
 
HHJ said:
He said in his social media that he can fight in some states and some he cant. He also said his contract is up and after what happened to Mokaev hes a little worried lol

Im sure its fine esp since he fought on short notice when they needed him.
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After Mokaev everyone is watching their backs, can't blame em lol.

So only southern states, or can he fight in Vegas?
 
Can someone give me a short version of how basketball has changed from the 90s to today? I'm assuming TS is referring to strategies that teams use?

As for MMA, there seems to be two different discussions going on. One about the UFC business and the other about techniques. I we have just about seen the limit for an individual to achieve in any one skill. I doubt we will see someone come in that absolutely has a jew set of grappling techniques that revolutionized the game. Or clinch work. I do think there is alot of development in the stand up that will happen. MMA is so dynamic tho and such a rock paper scissors tho that I don't think any team, training, or strategy will remain on top for long. Personally, I am just as excited as ever, especially with elite stand up fighters sometimes being dominant, but also the Dagestan gtapplers who have been on a tear for several years.
 
TriangleMonkey said:
If UFC paid what NFL/NBA is paying all things change as we know it
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yeah in many ways i dont think us sherdoggers would like.

fighters would all have to be careful about what they say and all that, too much money is involved, a lot of money gets involved, sponsors get involved..... things would change quite a bit into a homogenized product meant to churn out profits with merch and subscritions incredibly quickly
 
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