What specifically do you dislike about Gracie Barra schools?

[beeran1]

Straight Blast Gym Portland. Using the I method and posture/pressure/possibilities model for techniques. It's basically the best-explained pedagogy I've ever seen in the sport.

Is there more information on this approach? I'm interested. Kicking myself for not training at SBG when I lived there

 

[tenktriangles]

Are there any other judoka there anywhere near his level? If there aren't take a look at him in randori if someone with his skill and experience stops by to visit.

Also, just to be clear, are you a judoka too, or are you a BJJ guy who happens to train at a club that also has judo? From your posts it seems like the latter. Just curious.

I see this posted from time to time, and I don't really believe it, because:

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Take a look at the demographics of many of the ones using leg attacks. A lot of Japanese and Korean players did them too.

We also can't forget that leg attacks are part of the Kodokan.

I never said that power should be used to gain kuzushi.

Judo's a rough sport.

People are going to get hurt regardless if they use power throws or slick, perfectly timed throws. The high level Japanese judoka we see in GPs and the Olympics just happen to be the ones who made it through the school levels without sustaining too many injuries.

Throws do fail from time to time. Should they just concede the throw if their initial attempt fails? Should combo attacks not be used because the first throw failed?

1.Yes, there are people near his rank, and above. He plays his game with everyone. Yes, I train judo. Not nearly as much as I do BJJ, because I consistently get hurt training Judo.
2.There is no point arguing the reasoning of the IJF because neither one of us was there. I'm just passing on what I have been told, by people who are International level coaches for IJF.
3. I understand that the successful competitors are people who survive the training. But for a sport like Judo to stay alive and grow in the US, I don't think it can survive the level of injuries I see at the club. That's all. Maybe other countries are cool with that.
4. No one said concede throws. I just said power instead of clean technique is all too common.

Clearly you're a longterm judo player, and that's great. These are my observations as someone who has come to judo more recently, and I'm offering my observations. You clearly disagree, awesome. Both valid.

 

[Thai Otoshi]

1. Hmmm.. maybe it's possible, but it'll probably take years of getting owned in randori before you would finally develop the timing to pull off "soft" judo live.
2. I was told what I was told by my own coaches and from looking at numbers. If it was really racism against Eastern Europeans, it also hurt basically every other region of the world.
3. Judo will always take a second fiddle to karate in the US. It has nothing to do with injuries or whatnot. Martial arts movies, full of all nearly all punching and kicking, are the main culprits. Socialization, brah.
4. What I'm saying is that even if you use clean technique, there's no guarantee that you will complete a throw. They could defend well. THAT is when powering through helps.

Lol I've only been doing judo for about two years.

 

[slideyfoot]

Is there more information on this approach? I'm interested. Kicking myself for not training at SBG when I lived there

Takes a while to get to it, but Thornton wrote a huge article on the topic here. There's also this old video from the first Functional Jeet Kune Do instructional series:

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Posture, Pressure, Possibilities is from another SBG black belt, Cane Prevost (though he came up with that before black belt, IIRC). He talks about it here.

 

[Einarr]

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I'd almost forgotten how dumb roll-over Kata Guruma was. I think the only leg grabs I miss are Uchi Kibisu Gaeshi and Te-Guruma.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Takes a while to get to it, but Thornton wrote a huge article on the topic here. There's also this old video from the first Functional Jeet Kune Do instructional series:

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Posture, Pressure, Possibilities is from another SBG black belt, Cane Prevost (though he came up with that before black belt, IIRC). He talks about it here.

Wish that guy was in my town. Looks like fun.

What he is talking about is what I've always called Dynamic Training Methodology. Aliveness sounds cool too Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Judo, BJJ all have it. Many "TMA's" do not. The Gracies and the UFC made that abundantly clear.

Basically, either you are training with DTM/Aliveness or you are just pretending to prepare for physical conflict.

But back on topic, I don't see any info on his BJJ fundamentals that shows it to be a more solid beginner BJJ program that what Gracie Barra offers.

After starting BJJ in a number of schools over the years, I would recommend everyone start at a Gracie Barra school. Their fundamentals program closes the gaps that other schools leave open in their beginners, ime.

 

[NateTx4112]

After starting BJJ in a number of schools over the years, I would recommend everyone start at a Gracie Barra school. Their fundamentals program closes the gaps that other schools leave open in their beginners, ime.

What rank are you again? You have been to all schools in the area to determine what their beginner program is like?

We had a blue belt drop in last night who just moved in from Florida who went to the local GB school in and after his first class the instructor asked him how close he was to his former instructor he left in Florida. "You did so well I was going to call him and see if he would mind if I went ahead and just gave you your purple belt". I don't discourage people from going to all GB schools but there is a reason they have a reputation for belt factories....

 

[JustSomeGuy]

You have been to all schools in the area to determine what their beginner program is like?

Definitely not all, but a lot of them.

Not sure what you are talking about with the Florida story.

 

[NateTx4112]

Definitely not all, but a lot of them.

Not sure what you are talking about with the Florida story.

How many did you complete the beginners program with?

the Florida story is an average blue belt rolled up all "his blue belts" easily and he wanted to promote the guy to protect his blue belts. That clear up any confusion for you?

 

[JustSomeGuy]

How many did you complete the beginners program with?

the Florida story is an average blue belt rolled up all "his blue belts" easily and he wanted to promote the guy to protect his blue belts. That clear up any confusion for you?

A few.

Still not sure what you are talking about on the Florida thing, but its ok. I don't understand your beef with GB and you already told me that you'd never explain it to me so no need to discuss further I guess.

 

[tenktriangles]

How many did you complete the beginners program with?

the Florida story is an average blue belt rolled up all "his blue belts" easily and he wanted to promote the guy to protect his blue belts. That clear up any confusion for you?

or, possibly in addition to, he felt that quickly promoting the dude would secure him a student.

 

[Calibur]

A few.

Still not sure what you are talking about on the Florida thing, but its ok. I don't understand your beef with GB and you already told me that you'd never explain it to me so no need to discuss further I guess.

Dude, you've gotten like a dozen explanations on what issues people have and you've ignored all of them.

Seriously. Why are you even here?

 

[NateTx4112]

Dude, you've gotten like a dozen explanations on what issues people have and you've ignored all of them.

Seriously. Why are you even here?

Its a pattern with his posting. Post a topic where it seems he already has an opinion and then only key in to those posts which support what he already thinks and ignore anything else. He justifies his decision of going to the school he picked with that. He's and older guy, nice enough, but he has an agenda with threads he starts.

He came into my school, didn't even take the trial classes we offer but knows the GB curriculum he is at is what beginners need???

 

[NSchoke]

How many did you complete the beginners program with?

the Florida story is an average blue belt rolled up all "his blue belts" easily and he wanted to promote the guy to protect his blue belts. That clear up any confusion for you?

A. They could focus alot more on self defense than other schools at beginner levels so modern sport techniques could work very well against them. This seems to take care of itself as you move up in rank as GB always does well in big tournaments. I still don't think they'd offer a purple on the first day, maybe compliment the guys skills and he took it overboard.

B. He is be going around telling everyone that to try to move into a new belt.

C. This is a gross exageration on someones part. We're hearing a he said/she said from a rival school, I'd guess its not 100% accurate.

My guess is B or C.

Has anyone ever been or seen someone promoted on their first visit to a school? That seems very suspect to me.

If you're putting out that much better of a product your school is going to thrive, you don't need to worry about what they're doing. You certainly don't need to badmouth them, that comes off bad.

 

[NSchoke]

Dude, you've gotten like a dozen explanations on what issues people have and you've ignored all of them.

Seriously. Why are you even here?

Most people who train or have trained at GB seem to have good things to say. Its their competitors that seem to have issues.

There are a few individual examples that seem suspect but any large team is going to have those.

Overall they're doing a great job at spreading jiu jitsu. It makes the pie bigger for all schools, the ones who execute the best will be successful. We have a newer Gracie Barra in our area and our enrollment has gone up, if they've had impact its been a positive one.

 

[lechien]

A rising tide lifts all boats.

 

[Calibur]

A rising tide lifts all boats.

What does that mean in this context?

 

[Calibur]

Most people who train or have trained at GB seem to have good things to say. Its their competitors that seem to have issues.

There are a few individual examples that seem suspect but any large team is going to have those.

Overall they're doing a great job at spreading jiu jitsu. It makes the pie bigger for all schools, the ones who execute the best will be successful. We have a newer Gracie Barra in our area and our enrollment has gone up, if they've had impact its been a positive one.

So you're saying the OP asked a question in order to illicit negative responses just to take those negative responses and claim they're coming from people who don't know anything about the school?

 

[lechien]

What does that mean in this context?

in context of what NSchoke, I guess it means that having a GB franchise in his area has been positive in the enrollment at his gym that is not GB.

at the moment, we cannot tell that it is because the GB franchise is creating an awareness of BJJ in the area and that their marketing is benefiting everyone.

or just that BJJ is just becoming very popular and everyone seems to be benefiting.

Often I meet other gyms owners and they share their feeling on enrollment.

Some people are working hard at promoting their gym brand but of course it is benefitial for everyone that ownes a BJJ gym in the area in a way.

 

[Calibur]

in context of what NSchoke, I guess it means that having a GB franchise in his area has been positive in the enrollment at his gym that is not GB.

at the moment, we cannot tell that it is because the GB franchise is creating an awareness of BJJ in the area and that their marketing is benefiting everyone.

or just that BJJ is just becoming very popular and everyone seems to be benefiting.

Often I meet other gyms owners and they share their feeling on enrollment.

Some people are working hard at promoting their gym brand but of course it is benefitial for everyone that ownes a BJJ gym in the area in a way.

Ah, okay.