What leg lock entry from bottom open guard?

[Kforcer]

I agree with him. It was mostly speed based/wild inversions/dropping for legs back in the day (10+ years ago) .

I think a lot of the rolls and standing entries looked wild to people who just thought of them as home-run swings, but really, setting up something like a scissor or an Imanari roll or whatever is or at least should be just as systematic a process as you have for any takedown that you are really going to bank on. I know I spent countless hours practicing standing entries and figuring out how to set them up, etc. And I know the same is true for almost anyone else that really banked on thems. What looks wild is really something that has been planned out, rehearsed, trained, etc.

But I can see how that would give people a picture of leglocks as impractical, if they always associated them with basically "funk" moves that really only a certain percentage of people will ever feel comfortable with. There was always a practical, pragmatic side to the leglock game but I'm sure it didn't get showcased as much as it could have or perhaps should have.

And like I said, there are definitely people who didn't care nearly as much as they should have about positional control, retention and perhaps especially, for me, protecting their feet.

 

[Dece]

I think a lot of the rolls and standing entries looked wild to people who just thought of them as home-run swings, but really, setting up something like a scissor or an Imanari roll or whatever is or at least should be just as systematic a process as you have for any takedown that you are really going to bank on. I know I spent countless hours practicing standing entries and figuring out how to set them up, etc. And I know the same is true for almost anyone else that really banked on thems. What looks wild is really something that has been planned out, rehearsed, trained, etc.

I also think one of the reasons that people believe they are wild is that most grapplers generally didn't drill standing entries to leglocks. They have no idea on how to defend those entries so they panic out of them. If you put to leglockers against each other it doesn't look very wild.

 

[Kforcer]

I also think one of the reasons that people believe they are wild is that most grapplers generally didn't drill standing entries to leglocks. They have no idea on how to defend those entries so they panic out of them. If you put to leglockers against each other it doesn't look very wild.

I agree.

 

[nefti]

Definitely. They were able to decode a lot on their own.

Now that Jones lives in the states and actually trains there full time I wonder how much he’s contributed to their ideas in exchange

One thing i gotta give danaher credit is that he doesn't hesitate to admit when he was wrong. Before craig jones, he didnt like the 50/50 and spoke negatively about the psoition. After watching craig he publicly tells his class that he was wrong and starts showing craigs stuff with his variations added in.

 

[nefti]

People's dislike of him, especially in the sambo community, certainly hurt him. Steve Koepfer really disliked his criticisms of sambo's leglock game and it ended up marginalizing Sonnon. Sonnon did have success though, in sambo, san shou and probably some other stuff. Maybe not the sort of success as a teacher that validated his claims, but often, for that you need to have a sufficient base of students. It isn't just what you know, it is your reach.

Looks like he had legit reasons to:

https://www.bullshido.net/forums/fo...hi-etc/94457-scott-sonnon-s-r-sum#post3229515

 

[Kforcer]

Looks like he had legit reasons to:

https://www.bullshido.net/forums/fo...hi-etc/94457-scott-sonnon-s-r-sum#post3229515

That's too bad, if he was really b.s.'ing his credentials as much as people say. All in all, I liked his material. I did like that he attempted to codify a lot of things that many people were doing but not necessarily naming or explaining in detail to an audience outside of their gyms. Most of the guys who would have bought his stuff probably wouldn't have cared about a lot of that other stuff anyways (Master of Sport, etc.), as long as the material itself was legit.

 

[nefti]

That's too bad, if he was really b.s.'ing his credentials as much as people say. All in all, I liked his material. I did like that he attempted to codify a lot of things that many people were doing but not necessarily naming or explaining in detail to an audience outside of their gyms. Most of the guys who would have bought his stuff probably wouldn't have cared about a lot of that other stuff anyways (Master of Sport, etc.), as long as the material itself was legit.

Its when people try to do or claim a little to much. You can tell sonnon was a grappling intellect but it seems like he wanted more and greater acclaim than what he earned at the time and took shortcuts.

 

[mataleaos]

One thing i gotta give danaher credit is that he doesn't hesitate to admit when he was wrong. Before craig jones, he didnt like the 50/50 and spoke negatively about the psoition. After watching craig he publicly tells his class that he was wrong and starts showing craigs stuff with his variations added in.

That’s really awesome