What is the excuse for PED users

[Calipwnia]

to still be considered GOAT? So many people excuse ped users as if their ped usage wasn't a part of their ability to win. Peds make you train harder and recover faster which is an enormous advantage over people who don't use.

I'm a Huge fan of Jon Jones and Anderson Silva but they were caught using performance enhancing drugs. At least Anderson was caught later in his career well after his prime years and peds could keep him competitive. But what is the excuse for Jon Jones? He is young and In his prime but still abusing the drugs. Doesn't he believe enough in himself to not have to take enhancing drugs? Why do people still excuse these steroid cheats as legitimate champions? DC and GSP never tested positive but still cheated (towelgate and greasegate), but it's nowhere near the physical and psychological advantage gained from steroids and other peds.

When DC is doing something bold and fighting a much bigger Stipe, why do people still hold a no contest due to Jones' drug help over DC as if Jon wasn't cheating?

 

[USAwrestling532]

Dick pills

 

[Arm Barbarian]

The Broke Dick Duo, Juicehead & Anderoid have permanent *s next to their names now.

GSP is the one true GOAT.

 

[Perrichet]

There’s no excuse. As for Anderson he's just as bad as Jones regardless. Anderson was likely using his whole career

 

[Calipwnia]

The Broke Dick Duo, Juicehead & Anderoid have permanent *s next to their names now.

GSP is the one true GOAT.

If DC beats Stipe then no. Otherwise Fedor still has an edge. GSP was great but you know all the reasons Fedor would be considers greater. Anyways stop selling GSP. I want to know what these Jones guys have to say for why using drugs and fighting is excusable.

 

[Calipwnia]

There’s no excuse. As for Anderson he's just as bad as Jones regardless. Anderson was likely using his whole career

Maybe. Probably. Maybe Fedor too. Pride allowed anything. GSP is the only goat that wasn't pride but he has ghosts in his closet as well.

 

[dildos]

To get people to make threads and cry about it.

 

[Toxxus]

The Broke Dick Duo, Juicehead & Anderoid have permanent *s next to their names now.

GSP is the one true GOAT.

So if you get caught it's bad, but if you take a 3-4 year mini-retirement and do God only knows what it's all gucci.

Really adding a lot of weight to what's essentially Russian roulette. Even the guys that popped passed most of their tests. Lance Armstrong passed hundreds of tests over a 7 year period and nobody considers that guy clean.

The reality is that nearly all the fighters are on something. Even the fighters say so.

 

[Law Dog]

 

[hasar]

Limp dicks.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

So if you get caught it's bad, but if you take a 3-4 year mini-retirement and do God only knows what it's all gucci.

Really adding a lot of weight to what's essentially Russian roulette. Even the guys that popped passed most of their tests. Lance Armstrong passed hundreds of tests over a 7 year period and nobody considers that guy clean.

The reality is that nearly all the fighters are on something. Even the fighters say so.

When they all start testing positive multiple times, we'll know you're right.

So far, that hasn't been the case.

 

[tasticles]

The real losers are the ones not using. They don't have the will to win by going the extra mile and that's already admitting defeat. Anderson is still in contention for GOAT

 

[Toxxus]

When they all start testing positive multiple times, we'll know you're right.

So far, that hasn't been the case.

I feel like you're working under the assumption that the testing can't be beaten. And I know it can because Cyborg isn't failing enough tests.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

I feel like you're working under the assumption that the testing can't be beaten. And I know it can because Cyborg isn't failing enough tests.

Then why are only a few, high profile guys getting busted, again and again?

If the tests are so easily beaten, why are two of the guys who have been considered all time greats not been able to beat them? Seems kind of weird that everyone is beating the tests, but yet the same guys can't, over and over.

 

[Calipwnia]

So if you get caught it's bad, but if you take a 3-4 year mini-retirement and do God only knows what it's all gucci.

Really adding a lot of weight to what's essentially Russian roulette. Even the guys that popped passed most of their tests. Lance Armstrong passed hundreds of tests over a 7 year period and nobody considers that guy clean.

The reality is that nearly all the fighters are on something. Even the fighters say so.

I agree. Is the only solution to make everything legal? There has to be a line somewhere I think for fighter safety and integrity of the sport. I read between your lines and I highly suspect GSP but still him and DC haven't shown positive tests.

 

[Calipwnia]

The real losers are the ones not using. They don't have the will to win by going the extra mile and that's already admitting defeat. Anderson is still in contention for GOAT

As I understand, the newest drugs to beat tests cost the most. Makes sense right? So the ones that are paid the most should be able to afford the most reliable peds. So it's not will to win but $ to hide your cheat.

 

[tasticles]

As I understand, the newest drugs to beat tests cost the most. Makes sense right? So the ones that are paid the most should be able to afford the most reliable peds. So it's not will to win but $ to hide your cheat.

That's part of it, but some of it is getting the right street smarts/ cycling knowledge too. I don't see how Josh barnett got busted so many times. You have to not even be trying

 

[Toxxus]

Then why are only a few, high profile guys getting busted, again and again? And not the rest of the roster?

If the tests are so easy to beaten, why are two of the guys who have been considered all time greats not been able to beat them? Seems kind of weird that everyone is beating the tests, but yet the same guys can't, over and over.

My guess would be that one is too coked up to consistently complete his flush routines (one he was dumb enough to briefly mention on a Rogan podcast) and the other is too old, and kind of shot and doesn't know what he's doing. I really can't reconcile the idea that the same incompetent Anderson who's popped 4x now was juicing his whole career and never got caught until after the shattered leg.

 

[DarkneT]

Then why are only a few, high profile guys getting busted, again and again?

If the tests are so easily beaten, why are two of the guys who have been considered all time greats not been able to beat them? Seems kind of weird that everyone is beating the tests, but yet the same guys can't, over and over.

Money playa!

 

[DarkneT]