What is the democratic message?

[Prime Rib]

Toxodemoplasmosis?

Um, that would just kill you. Remember "Trainspotting"?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Um, that would just kill you. Remember "Trainspotting"?

Yes, Pacino killed it

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

LOL'd at 'Republicans have a better message for the masses'

Yeah polling shows their policies are extremely unpopular. Cut social security, Medicare, crush health care. Nationally no one is for these things.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

If I was a Dem party boss in 2018/2020, my platform would be four words: UNIVERSAL MOTHER FUCKING HEALTHCARE

Beyond that:
- Renewable energy
- Affordable education
- Net neutrality
- Decriminalizing marijuana
- TREATMENT of the opioid epidemic
- Wall Street regulation
- Judiciary support of labor/ unions
- International engagement
- Fact based discourse




This is the right wing parody of the Democratic Party, sure.

Yes and you paint the current administration as the crooks that they are. Constant propaganda that the president is a corrupt, inept crook. Which is all true so it's not even built off of lies.

You make a play using the democratic message while simultaneously using a republican play of constant slander on your opponent.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Their message seems to be "not Trump". It is pretty sad that they went from the optimistic "Yes we can" to overly derivative sexist pandering and "don't blame me, I voted for Kodos" as their core message in no time.

To me, they looked like they had a lot of momentum going until they didn't know how to respond to BLM and start alienating people. Now they seem like a fractured party.

This. Their platform is anti Trump and Mcarthyism. Same way the GOP was anti Obama anti Obamacare the previous 8 years. It’s fucking pathetic that the masses haven’t tuned them all out and revolted on both parties.

 

[Fawlty]

This. Their platform is anti Trump and Mcarthyism. Same way the GOP was anti Obama anti Obamacare the previous 8 years. It’s fucking pathetic that the masses haven’t tuned them all out and revolted on both parties.

Being anti-Trump is a moral necessity, and calling the Russia investigation McCarthyism is plainly absurd.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Being anti-Trump is a moral necessity, and calling the Russia investigation McCarthyism is plainly absurd.

Agreed on Trump.
The Russian investigation is legit where it pertains to money laundering etc. That isn’t nec Mccarthyism, but the rhetoric around it is. Literally comparing it to Pearl Harbor and trying to paint Sanders and Stein as unwitting agents of the Kremlin is beyond absurd.

And none of that changes the fact that there is no real message. Seems like there may be issues they care about but 90% of the shit you here is Russia Russia Russia.

 

[Byron Carter]

 

[Fawlty]

Agreed on Trump.
The Russian investigation legit where it pertains to money laundering etc l. That isn’t nec Mcarthyism, but the rhetoric around it is. Comparing it to it literally Pearl Harbor and trying to paint Sanders and Stein as unwitting agents of the Kremlin are beyond absurd.

None of that changes the fact that their is no real message. Seems may issues they care about but 90% of the shit you here is Russia Russia Russia.

There isn't anybody being accused of shady dealings with Russia who doesn't have shady dealings with Russia. And all of the concerns about Russian activities, from Facebook all the way up to the top of Trump Tower have all been shown to have been legitimate in the past year (and zero people in here, to my knowledge, have had the balls to apologize over that). It's a very important part of what's happening in the world right now.

The Democrats are still very active on healthcare, immigration, women's rights, taxes, drug policy, guns, education, etc, and offer alternatives to both the philosophies and the policies of the right. It happens that the right is dead wrong about nearly every single thing right now, and the left is capitalizing on that by destroying in special elections. It also happens that the right controls the entire government, and all branding is going to naturally be against the right, strongly critical, which means "anti." This is certainly not a time for wider compromise, because the midway point between the left and the right (and good and evil) is really fucking far to the right.

 

[luckyshot]

No one has a right to the services of another.

Rights are nothing more than the necessary conditions of ones proper existence.

It's not a necessary condition of your proper existence to force services out of others.


"As ye sow, ye shall reap".
-Galatians IV



"You know most men will tell you that they want to make money, without understanding the law. The only people who make money work in a mint. The rest of us must earn money. This is what causes those who keep looking for something for nothing, or a free ride, to fail in life.

The only way to earn money is by providing people with services or products which are needed and useful. We exchange our product or service for the other man’s money. Therefore the law is that our financial return will be in direct proportion to our service. Success is not the result of making money. Making money is the result of success and success is in direct proportion to our service. Most people have this law backwards. They believe that you are successful if you earn a lot of money. The truth is that you can only earn money after you are successful. It’s like the story of a man who sat in front of the stove and said to it: “Give me heat and then I’ll add the wood.”
...........
Once this law is fully understood, any thinking person can tell his own fortune. If he wants more, he must be of more service to those from whom he receives his return. If he wants less, he has only to reduce his service. This is the price you must pay for what you want. If you believe you can enrich yourself by deluding others, you can end only by deluding yourself. Just as surely as you breathe, you will get back what you put out. Don’t ever make the mistake of thinking you can avert this. It’s impossible: The prisons and the streets where the lonely walk are filled with people who tried to make new laws just for themselves. We may avoid the laws of men, but there are greater laws that cannot be broken."
-Earl Nightingale, The Strangest Secret in the World




We should stop redistributing wealth.



Institutional discrimination is illegal in the United States. What violation of rights are gay and trans people currently suffering under, that other citizens are not?

What necessary condition of their proper existence has been violated?



And understandable sentiment, however, we don't have the ability to reach into people's minds and change who they are.

For better or for worse, humans always have, and likely always will exhibit some level of in-group preference. Redefining the in-group is just a matter of shifting concepts. Redefining the in-group to be as broad as possible is likely as close as our species will get to the elimination of all bigotry.


Agreed, that's why accountability in our elections is so important.

That's why I support voter ID measures to ensure that only US citizens who are eligible to vote are allowed to vote.



Abortion isn't Healthcare.

Murdering your own child in the womb due to the fact that it may be an economic hardship isn't the administration of healthcare.

When a woman becomes pregnant, it's no longer just her body. If it was only a matter of her body, there would be no need for an abortion.


That is currently the law in all 50 states.

As I said earlier, institutionalized discrimination is illegal in the United States. I'm not sure what else you would like done.



If that's the case, then why is it that proponents of the theory of man-made climate change don't hold this theory to the basic standard of falsifiability.

Whenever a theory comes to light, one must ask the proponents of that theory two questions:

1: What is the objective, falsifiable standard of this theory.

2: What will you personally allow to falsify your theory.

If the person putting forward their theory is either unable or unwilling to put forward a falsifiable standard, you're no longer dealing in the realms of science, but instead Dogma.

I’m not going to respond to your post point by point because I don’t have the time right now, but I have to point out something obvious: your first argument isn’t an argument against universal healthcare; it is an argument against all public services, in general.

Are you entitled to the services of a policeman if you are the victim of a crime? Are you entitled to the service of a fireman if your house is on fire? Are you entitled to the service of a teacher if you are a child? Are you entitled to the service of the military if our nation is under attack?

If you answer affirmatively to any of these questions, then so too could you be entitled to the services of a medical professional when you are ill— as people are in every developed nation on Earth save America.

Once again your argument— that one person can never be entitled to the service of another— is an argument for libertarian anarchy in general, not against universal healthcare in particular , and I feel that your argument deserves to fail for all the obvious reasons that a libertarian anarchy is an untenable and unsustainable form of society... which our Founding Fathers clearly recognized.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

There isn't anybody being accused of shady dealings with Russia who doesn't have shady dealings with Russia. And all of the concerns about Russian activities, from Facebook all the way up to the top of Trump Tower have all been shown to have been legitimate in the past year (and zero people in here, to my knowledge, have had the balls to apologize over that). It's a very important part of what's happening in the world right now.

The Democrats are still very active on healthcare, immigration, women's rights, taxes, drug policy, guns, education, etc, and offer alternatives to both the philosophies and the policies of the right. It happens that the right is dead wrong about nearly every single thing right now, and the left is capitalizing on that by destroying in special elections. It also happens that the right controls the entire government, and all branding is going to naturally be against the right, strongly critical, which means "anti." This is certainly not a time for wider compromise, because the midway point between the left and the right (and good and evil) is really fucking far to the right.

Fawlt I think the glaring problem is the democrats don’t have “that one person” spreading their message.

You need a face people can rally behind.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

There isn't anybody being accused of shady dealings with Russia who doesn't have shady dealings with Russia. And all of the concerns about Russian activities, from Facebook all the way up to the top of Trump Tower have all been shown to have been legitimate in the past year (and zero people in here, to my knowledge, have had the balls to apologize over that). It's a very important part of what's happening in the world right now.

The Democrats are still very active on healthcare, immigration, women's rights, taxes, drug policy, guns, education, etc, and offer alternatives to both the philosophies and the policies of the right. It happens that the right is dead wrong about nearly every single thing right now, and the left is capitalizing on that by destroying in special elections. It also happens that the right controls the entire government, and all branding is going to naturally be against the right, strongly critical, which means "anti." This is certainly not a time for wider compromise, because the midway point between the left and the right (and good and evil) is really fucking far to the right.

Do you agree that Russia's interference is the equivalent of Pearl Harbor and 9/11?

 

[franklinstower]

This. Their platform is anti Trump and Mcarthyism. Same way the GOP was anti Obama anti Obamacare the previous 8 years. It’s fucking pathetic that the masses haven’t tuned them all out and revolted on both parties.

Hard to do when fucking every news sight tells them they are childish selfish and unrealistic if they do. Apparently towing the corporate party line is the only sign of maturity....

 

[Fawlty]

Do you agree that Russia's interference is the equivalent of Pearl Harbor and 9/11?

No, and that's not the "Democratic message"

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You need a face people can rally behind.

We already have it. He's just not a Democrat.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

No, and that's not the "Democratic message"

thats the narrative about Russia. And its all the news goes on about.

 

[franklinstower]

We already have it. He's just not a Democrat.

This!!!!! We do have THAT guy in spades. He is everything the Democrats need. Honesty, integrity, strong willed and on the right side of almost every issue. Translated for corporate money interests-- naive, unrealistic and hard to take seriously!!

 

[Trotsky]

This is excellent.

My only hope is that it helps educate the mouth-breathers on the right who want to pretend that Obama was some sort of radical Marxist. Obama was a bought and paid for corporate shill (just like Mitt) who traded on his race to buy support and credibility with those on the real left.

This is the ludicrous both sides-ism that I would generally expect from people much dumber than you.

If you actually look at Obama's policies, it is quite clear that he was far from "bought and paid for corporate shill" and that he was much, much better for working people than Mitt or McCain would have been.

Hell, just look at the all the moves Trump's National Labor Relations Board is making in reversing all of the Obama-era protections for workers and unions.


The "Obama is a radical Marxist" crowd is really fucking stupid, but the "Republicans and Democrats are the same" crowd is even more so.

 

[Fawlty]

Fawlt I think the glaring problem is the democrats don’t have “that one person” spreading their message.

You need a face people can rally behind.

I'm not sure how that would even happen before the next pres. primary. And I would be suspicious of any unifying voice right now, like if Cory Booker all of a sudden got put up as the voice of the Democrats.

 

[Trotsky]

That idiot continues to repeat his "rights are nothing more than the necessary conditions of one's proper existence" non sequitur, despite everyone's constant pointing out that it makes absolutely no actual sense.

Nothing sounds more idiotic than a stupid persons trying to sound smart.