What exactly would you have done better than Beltran??

[Mind Mine]

I didn’t think in a million years I would have to make a public statement in defense of Beltran but here we are. Kape is ridiculously fast. There isn’t a soul on this forum that could tell there was a poke IN REAL TIME. Beltran stopped the fight once due to a complaint and the replay booth said continue. There are certain fighters that attack with a speed of violence all you will see is the general area he was aiming for. I can’t even say for certain it was intentional. I can say for certain Kape‘s hand speed is faster than naked eye

My point is I have seen repeated posters claiming outright conspiracy. Stop acting as if you having the benefit of slow motion replay means you would do better than Beltran in real time. Seeing that man get his name smeared on this one bothers me. He didn’t have much a choice. Kape needs a firm warning and points taken moving forward but the notion anyone here would have done much different begs the question what would you have done differently?

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

Id choose different career

 

[ejazahmednit]

Kape was swatting instead of punching and being that close Beltran should ve been able to spot that
That's literally his job
And also listening to Asu's request of a timeout. Give the fighters a benefit of the odoubt

 

[Substance Abuse]

My job.

 

[CroCopsLHK]

We are expecting Beltran to stop the action and review it. Not witness it in real time

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I like Beltran and feel he does a great job, but yeah he dropped the ball over the weekend imo. Kape was raking the eyes and it was fairly clear imo.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

I didn’t think in a million years I would have to make a public statement in defense of Beltran but here we are. Kape is ridiculously fast. There isn’t a soul on this forum that could tell there was a poke IN REAL TIME. Beltran stopped the fight once due to a complaint and the replay booth said continue. There are certain fighters that attack with a speed of violence all you will see is the general area he was aiming for. I can’t even say for certain it was intentional. I can say for certain Kape‘s hand speed is faster than naked eye

My point is I have seen repeated posters claiming outright conspiracy. Stop acting as if you having the benefit of slow motion replay means you would do better than Beltran in real time. Seeing that man get his name smeared on this one bothers me. He didn’t have much a choice. Kape needs a firm warning and points taken moving forward but the notion anyone here would have done much different begs the question what would you have done differently?

I think it's fair to say people on here wouldn't have done better in real time than Beltran. Where you lost the plot is that Beltran is the referee so it's his profession. He's supposed to be very good at his job if not great. I expect my mechanic to know more about cars than I do and if he messes up a job, he will hear it from me.

We can keep pretending there isn't a problem in the UFC with eye pokes and fouls in general. I see the narratives by UFC employees about how fast Kape is. Yes, he's very fast and he's talented in general. To pretend that the eye pokes didn't at least contribute to the victory is disingenuous at best and probably outright dishonest. I'll call out Alan Jouban for saying after the fight that Kape's speed was blinding. Yes it was but his eye pokes were even more blinding than his speed.

If you are going to talk about a fight I think it's important to talk about what is actually going on in the ring/octagon. I get that they are trying to sell Kape as a challenger to Pantoja. I understand it's a business but Sheesh Looeesh!

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

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[EndlessCritic]

With the first eye poke didn't the reviewing official determine it was legal? How is that Beltran's fault?

 

[Mind Mine]

I think it's fair to say people on here wouldn't have done better in real time than Beltran. Where you lost the plot is that Beltran is the referee so it's his profession. He's supposed to be very good at his job if not great. I expect my mechanic to know more about cars than I do and if he messes up a job, he will hear it from me.

We can keep pretending there isn't a problem in the UFC with eye pokes and fouls in general. I see the narratives by UFC employees about how fast Kape is. Yes, he's very fast and he's talented in general. To pretend that the eye pokes didn't at least contribute to the victory is disingenuous at best and probably outright dishonest. I'll call out Alan Jouban for saying after the fight that Kape's speed was blinding. Yes it was but his eye pokes were even more blinding than his speed.

If you are going to talk about a fight I think it's important to talk about what is actually going on in the ring/octagon. I get that they are trying to sell Kape as a challenger to Pantoja. I understand it's a business but Sheesh Looeesh!

Dude being a professional absolutely doesn’t mean super man level vision. 99% of humans couldn’t have seen a poke real time and you absolutely didn’t list what you would do better in the situation

 

[Mind Mine]

I like Beltran and feel he does a great job, but yeah he dropped the ball over the weekend imo. Kape was raking the eyes and it was fairly clear imo.

Dude you saw that via slow motion replay tell the truth. As a matter of fact HE DID stop the fight and the replay said keep going so what exactly did he do wrong and what should he have done differently if one eye poke got waved off by the replay booth? Be real

 

[Mind Mine]

Kape was swatting instead of punching and being that close Beltran should ve been able to spot that
That's literally his job
And also listening to Asu's request of a timeout. Give the fighters a benefit of the odoubt

The delusion in believing a soul saw anything wrong before slow motion replay is strong here

 

[Mind Mine]

My job.

You mean as in not calling an eyepoke when the action is so fast you didn’t see it? You mean doing his job in calling a timeout when the first one was conplained about? Do you mean continuing the fight when they waved it off? You mean doing by making a judgement call that a guy getting beat up was looking for a way out and not calling the second one you didn’t see? What part wasn’t doing his job? Instant replay creates severe delusions that somehow what you saw in slow ass hindsight the ref can see in real time

 

[Mind Mine]

We are expecting Beltran to stop the action and review it. Not witness it in real time

Uhhh he did and once they waved the first one off the second was a judgement call. Is this guy getting badly beat up just looking for a way out? He didn’t see the poke and the first one was deemed no foul. Are you stating that every time an eyepoke is claimed the fight should go to instant replay? What rule says this? Maybe his judgement is one false call Im not stopping the fight if I didn’t see it happen. The truth is nobody did until the replay

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Dude being a professional absolutely doesn’t mean super man level vision. 99% of humans couldn’t have seen a poke real time and you absolutely didn’t list what you would do better in the situation

I already conceded in my post that I couldn't do better. It's a hard job but maybe pause the action and check the replay?

I suggest you reread my post, especially the first paragraph. You also don't address my other points from that post. One point would that I think there is an obvious problem with eye pokes and fouls in general in the UFC. Weidman/Silva comes to mind off the top of my head. That's my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

Edit: Here is a good video talking about the fight......

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The delusion in believing a soul saw anything wrong before slow motion replay is strong here

You didn't see Kape's swiping hand as likely causing an eye rake when it happened?

 

[Snake Fist]

We've all witnessed some nasty eye pokes over the years, in some cases seeing the finger entering the eyeball socket, and it's suprising no one has yet lost vision indefinitely, but the day will come if this is not seriously addressed.

Beggars belief seeing Weidman basically win by eye poke, and in the aftermath the W still stands.

Change the gloves already, or points must be taken via replay.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I didn’t think in a million years I would have to make a public statement in defense of Beltran but here we are. Kape is ridiculously fast. There isn’t a soul on this forum that could tell there was a poke IN REAL TIME. Beltran stopped the fight once due to a complaint and the replay booth said continue. There are certain fighters that attack with a speed of violence all you will see is the general area he was aiming for. I can’t even say for certain it was intentional. I can say for certain Kape‘s hand speed is faster than naked eye

My point is I have seen repeated posters claiming outright conspiracy. Stop acting as if you having the benefit of slow motion replay means you would do better than Beltran in real time. Seeing that man get his name smeared on this one bothers me. He didn’t have much a choice. Kape needs a firm warning and points taken moving forward but the notion anyone here would have done much different begs the question what would you have done differently?

What I would have done differently or more accurately would want to have seen done differently is:
1) on the first foul have the replay officials actually look at the tape. They made a very quick call and yet it seems it was not from a punch but a graze. The guys calling the action (Felder iirc) seemed to confirm it was a foul on replay or at least question it but the broadcast just moved on. Not sure if there are any sources to see if it was in fact a foul. I have the fight on PVR but hadn't thought to rewatch.

2) on the second actually stop the action and give the fouled fighter the benefit of the doubt but take a point if it was legal. It was very clearly a scraping pawing action across his eyes and it 100% lead to the ending of the fight. It should be overturned to a NC but I suspect the fighter won't request it be reviewed and the commission never takes action even in the most obvious case of a wrong outcome.

No it wasn't a case of Mike Beltran having a bet on the outcome. Its a tough job and he is pretty good.

 

[cade187]

Kape isn't The Flash. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Skarsgard]

I sure as hell wouldn't have stopped the fight when Kape got put on his back.
I would also make sure to review the footage from the exchange right before Asu called for the timeout up until the stoppage. Once it was abundantly clear that it was because of a blatant eyepoke, I would call it a DQ or NC.