Elections What does today's left CLAIM to stand for?

I'd bet on 1. Virtual particles seem to come out of nowhere, so why not the big bang? Besides, Darwinian evolution explains the emergence of the human species without divine intervention, nor purpose of any kind. Adding something extremely complex like a God makes things less likely. And option 2 doesn't really explain anything, you'd still have the problem of God's origin.
What seems like a better way to live your life:

1. Nothing means anything, we have no purpose, any idea is as good as the next, anything goes

2. Life has meaning, we have a purpose, we should follow some basic set of values
 
It stands for 'tear it all down and install Communism" but it doesn't say it in such a blunt way.
That's basically all it comes down to for them, they can't say out loud what they actually stand for because it's absurd and destructive, so they're basically stuck with just saying what they don't stand for, what they wanna destroy, with no idea what they plan to put in it's place.

They wanna tear down things like religion, only to replace it with another religion. Mock Judeo-Christian values, but replace them with gender ideology... they can't scientifically make the case that a man can become a woman, but if he BELIEVES it he is, and if you don't believe it too you're an apostate who needs to be purged, outcast and punished.

It has all the characteristics of a radical religion, but without the forgiveness and redemption part.
 
This is all just blatantly untrue

Now if you excuse me, I'm going to to eat a vegan hotdog (that's what I call my boyfriend!)
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They claim the want a stronger social safety net for their citizens - in reality that’s impossible when they bring in millions of illegals who eat up most of those resources

So are you saying that we couldn't use all the aid that is sent to countries across the world such as Israel or some of the funds used for "defense" to strengthen the social safety net?

They claim they’re against the filthy rich - in reality they defend big corporations, big pharma, Disney, Hollywood elites, etc

Liberals and Conservatives do this but not the left that I am aware of. I think you are confusing the left for what is really just center right politicians like Obama and Biden where you are for the market and for bureaucracy at the same time as David Graeber described.

They claim they’re for better education - in reality they wanna teach your kids CRT and bring gay porn into libraries

This is a funny statement considering that the right outright has banned books and certain curriculum in some areas and states.

They claim they want livable wage etc - in reality Americans never felt more poor

Wouldn't a livable wage help people feel less poor? I mean there are numerous studies that have been done that openly show that wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. The left wants an actual increase in the minimum wage. The fact that the Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour while some states are in the double digits is nonsense. Again, I think when people think left they think people like Sinema and Manchin which are not really left at all.

They claim they wanna fix the climate - in reality it means make you even more poor while china and India continue to pollute

What does that mean? I've never quite understood the argument where people are against climate change. Don't we want a country where the air is cleaner, the water is cleaner and we don't necessarily have to rely as much on fossil fuels?

They claim end prison industrial complex - reality, release dangerous repeat violent offenders into the street, but prosecute guys like Daniel Penny who defends you from these criminals

If only it were this simple. Also, being one of the top countries of incarcerated citizens per capita is not something you want to lead in. So are you okay with prisons being for profit? There are studies that show having corps run prisons is not a good idea, not to mention some of the sentences people got years ago for ridiculous offenses. That 3 strikes rule back in the 90's under Clinton, for example, was not the cure all some thought it would be.

Greater investment into mental health and house the “unhoused” lol - reality let junkies camp out in your cities and shoot up fentanyl in front of your kids school

Pretty sure the alternative we have now is not better where states criminalize homelessness because some have nowhere to go.

Separation of church and state - reality shit on Christian values, invent a new religion call it woke gender ideology, yet still somehow defend Islam

I thought in America we could celebrate any religion we want? Christians do just fine on their own shitting on their own religion (i.e. the Prosperity Gospel). Separate church and state is a good thing. Let those who support the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster do so. I'm pretty sure I can find more people who love pasta than who love Christians.

End war on drugs - reality let cartels flood the country with fentanyl

I thought this was debunked in the 90's. The War on Drugs has not worked. It just helps for profit prisons and corporate labor.

More accountability for law enforcement - reality defund the police, call every police interaction with a non white person racism

Or how about this idea? Get rid of Qualified Immunity. If a police officer has done wrong he or she should be held to justice seeing as how said officer is supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Stricter gun laws - reality only government and criminals get to have guns

That's just a hilarious statement.

LGBT rights - reality man in dress can enter your daughters change room and destroy her in female sports

Having rights for about 7% of the population is a good thing considering that they will likely face discrimination. I really don't understand Conservatives hate against the LGBT crew especially drag queens and trannies.
 
As someone that leans left on many things here is where I overlap with most of the left in what we stand for. (Leaving out 2A, gender issues, homelessness, & some crime stuff because I differ from a majority of the far left in nuance on those topics)
  • Worker's rights for the average American citizen. Right to unionize & collective bargain
  • Not worshipping demigods in the form of hypocritical religious zealots. Rich aristocrats who compromise morals for money. Self proclaimed GURUs. Copycat podcasters that just ramble. Shit tier uneducated stand up comedians. Grifters
  • Acknowledging some of the opportunity gaps & systemic inequalities to support social programs & policies that can help bridge this gap within reason
  • Anti war & Anti war rhetoric. Barring a direct attack on & or of American property and or her citizens. Extended to allies with the approval of our citizens
  • Separation of church & state
  • Teaching of American history. Even the horrific genocidal & imperialistic parts & calling them out as the stains that they are
  • Getting money out of politics & legalized bribery
  • Pro scaled down immigration not based on class, education, social status, or earning potential. Based on circumstances & good citizenship law abiding status.
  • Stand against people who use their positions of power to sexually abuse people. Or intimidation tactics for law abiding opposition
  • Not taking moral leadership or direction from people who do not practice what they preach through adultery, multiple divorces, unethical business practices, threats, & disinformation.
  • Basic level of respect and same privileges not infringed on due to race,gender,religion, orientation, or political beliefs
  • Police state tactics & the militarization of law enforcement are un-American & against what our constitution stands for.
  • Advocating for the rights of corporations, big buisness, & the billionaire class is not always in the best intrests of the country and it's citizens. In fact ussually the opposite
  • The same laws apply to law enforcement & political office & should be enforced
  • Civil penalties & fines for discriminatory practices towards protected groups mentioned above
  • Removing grifters and billionaire buisness owners from making government policies & decisions where there are clear conflict of interest. Not appointing them to do more of it.
  • Basic level of public Healthcare for all Americans.
  • Repriotization of budgets that still keeps our military strong but priorizes Healthcare SSI & education more so
  • Limiting corporate intrest and hedge funds in the acquisition of Single family housing & residential property. Creating and initiating programs that allow more WORKING Americans to afford the dream of home & land OWNERSHIP.
  • Less government regulations on culturally significant American pass times
  • Regulating businesses / corporations over the regulation of citizens when it comes to environmental protection.

Here is what I posted about MAGA cult memebers from another thread. The substanceless rhetoric you pretend to stand for but how your actual actions, cult worship, & policy are the complete opposite. Hypocritical clowns.

We need more tarrifs to raise the cost of goods to consumers to battle inflation. We need to threaten more countries with imperialism in the name of antiwar peace. We need to appoint more sexual predators who abuse their positions of power in order to end corruption. We need more divorced sluts and male skanks to unleash project 2025 in the name of family first & Jesus. We need more anti-union corporatist to bring in cheap outsourced labor to fight against immigration and for the middle class working joe.
We need to follow the constitution for 2A rights but ignore it and virtue signal all forms of law enforcement by having innocent citizens do whatever cops say as we give them military weapons & tools.
 
Serious question, can you guys tell me what your side CLAIMS to stand for, what's the message if you want people to get on board with you?

The reason I say "claims" is because we all know what you guys actually stand for, which is basically the downfall of western civilization, tear everything down and replace it with I have no clue what. But of course you can't come out and say this out loud so what are you left with, what exactly is your message to the people you wanna recruit to your side?

Trump and the conservative right, as much as you can't stand them, whether you agree with their views or not, you know exactly what they stand for because their messaging is very clear:

-America first
-Strict on border control
-Freedom of speech
-Liberty
-Meritocracy
-Manifest destiny
-Second amendment
-Conserve Christian and Western values
-Build a wall

etc...

Their views are very clear and out in the open, but what exactly is your message?

Serious replies please...
It doesn’t matter what they claim to stand for. They went full retard on identity politics and the country rejected them for that. I’m sure they’ll come up with something new over the next couple years.
 
It sounds like a joke, but that’s basically what it seems to come down to, their whole argument comes down to “not Trump”, “not straight”, “not whitey”.
That mixed in with a bunch of autistic screaming and talking down to people like they’re in kindergarten
 
As someone that leans left on many things here is where I overlap with most of the left in what we stand for. (Leaving out 2A, gender issues, homelessness, & some crime stuff because I differ from a majority of the far left in nuance on those topics)
  • Worker's rights for the average American citizen. Right to unionize & collective bargain
  • Not worshipping demigods in the form of hypocritical religious zealots. Rich aristocrats who compromise morals for money. Self proclaimed GURUs. Copycat podcasters that just ramble. Shit tier uneducated stand up comedians. Grifters
  • Acknowledging some of the opportunity gaps & systemic inequalities to support social programs & policies that can help bridge this gap within reason
  • Anti war & Anti war rhetoric. Barring a direct attack on & or of American property and or her citizens. Extended to allies with the approval of our citizens
  • Separation of church & state
  • Teaching of American history. Even the horrific genocidal & imperialistic parts & calling them out as the stains that they are
  • Getting money out of politics & legalized bribery
  • Pro scaled down immigration not based on class, education, social status, or earning potential. Based on circumstances & good citizenship law abiding status.
  • Stand against people who use their positions of power to sexually abuse people. Or intimidation tactics for law abiding opposition
  • Not taking moral leadership or direction from people who do not practice what they preach through adultery, multiple divorces, unethical business practices, threats, & disinformation.
  • Basic level of respect and same privileges not infringed on due to race,gender,religion, orientation, or political beliefs
  • Police state tactics & the militarization of law enforcement are un-American & against what our constitution stands for.
  • Advocating for the rights of corporations, big buisness, & the billionaire class is not always in the best intrests of the country and it's citizens. In fact ussually the opposite
  • The same laws apply to law enforcement & political office & should be enforced
  • Civil penalties & fines for discriminatory practices towards protected groups mentioned above
  • Removing grifters and billionaire buisness owners from making government policies & decisions where there are clear conflict of interest. Not appointing them to do more of it.
  • Basic level of public Healthcare for all Americans.
  • Repriotization of budgets that still keeps our military strong but priorizes Healthcare SSI & education more so
  • Limiting corporate intrest and hedge funds in the acquisition of Single family housing & residential property. Creating and initiating programs that allow more WORKING Americans to afford the dream of home & land OWNERSHIP.
  • Less government regulations on culturally significant American pass times
  • Regulating businesses / corporations over the regulation of citizens when it comes to environmental protection.

Here is what I posted about MAGA cult memebers from another thread. The substanceless rhetoric you pretend to stand for but how your actual actions, cult worship, & policy are the complete opposite. Hypocritical clowns.

We need more tarrifs to raise the cost of goods to consumers to battle inflation. We need to threaten more countries with imperialism in the name of antiwar peace. We need to appoint more sexual predators who abuse their positions of power in order to end corruption. We need more divorced sluts and male skanks to unleash project 2025 in the name of family first & Jesus. We need more anti-union corporatist to bring in cheap outsourced labor to fight against immigration and for the middle class working joe.
We need to follow the constitution for 2A rights but ignore it and virtue signal all forms of law enforcement by having innocent citizens do whatever cops say as we give them military weapons & tools.
Damn I actually read all that and the first thing I would suggest to you is use spellcheck bro. I hate to be a grammar Nazi, but there are so many misspelled words, and words that are not even words in that salad that I don't even know where to begin.
 
Last run they focused on an open border, trans ideology, and DEI programs. This is what the party is now. The far left became center.

Hopefully they create a new party or new values.
 
What seems like a better way to live your life:

1. Nothing means anything, we have no purpose, any idea is as good as the next, anything goes

2. Life has meaning, we have a purpose, we should follow some basic set of values
2 but it is subjective and deep down a fantasy created by weaklings who cannot deal with their own mortality and the idea that there is no god and no afterlife.

Look, if you want to believe in Manifest Destiny, go for it, but other countries will eventually kick your ass. We are not in the 19th century anymore.
 
2 but it is subjective and deep down a fantasy created by weaklings who cannot deal with their own mortality and the idea that there is no god and no afterlife.

Look, if you want to believe in Manifest Destiny, go for it, but other countries will eventually kick your ass. We are not in the 19th century anymore.
If it's subjective then you should see no problem with me taking your life or stealing your shit right?

I'm not American and manifest destiny has zero to do what I asked you.

Nice ducking of the straight forward question by the way, I got my answer even if you refused to give it.
 
Damn I actually read all that and the first thing I would suggest to you is use spellcheck bro. I hate to be a grammar Nazi, but there are so many misspelled words, and words that are not even words in that salad that I don't even know where to begin.


"The reason I say "claims" is because we all know what you guys actually stand for, which is basically the downfall of western civilization, tear everything down and replace it with I have no clue what. But of course you can't come out and say this out loud so what are you left with, what exactly is your message to the people you wanna recruit to your side"

WTF is this grammatical POS salad form your intro???

Case in point. Giant hypocrites who run from any real logic or discussion. Bitch please...LMAO
 
"The reason I say "claims" is because we all know what you guys actually stand for, which is basically the downfall of western civilization, tear everything down and replace it with I have no clue what. But of course you can't come out and say this out loud so what are you left with, what exactly is your message to the people you wanna recruit to your side"

WTF is this grammatical POS salad form your intro???

Case in point. Giant hypocrites who run from any real logic or discussion. Bitch please...LMAO
"Form" my intro?

God damn, you can't make one single coherent sentence bro.

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"Form" my intro?

God damn, you can't make one single coherent sentence bro.

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🥱 Large hands and thumbs on a cellphone. A minor typo. That's different than having a small brain & weak trolling.
Care to edit your poorly written OP ? Why are you terrified to engage on the topic you started?
 
American is not a language.

English is spoken in many countries, most speak it better than Americans actually.
Nobody said that it was. Typical MAGA strawman.
You don't though. You sound ESL.
You also sound scared to discuss your own topic.
 
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