Elections What does threat to democracy mean?

[Streeter]

It's an alternative phrase to say Orangeman bad with more gusto.

Has no meaning g as it it's not based in reslity

 

[Deleted member 592570]

trump has also been threatening to prosecute/exile the press, as well as political enemies.

Ok, but the Dems have actually done that.

 

[djacobox372]

A threat is something or someone that seeks to destroy or damage something.

Why is this hard for you?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Ok, but the Dems have actually done that.

if this is a reference to trump and his constituents, as well as jan 6th rioters, they undeniably broke the law. that said, i've never once said i think jan 6th rioters were in the wrong for protesting nor should they have gone to jail. i think violent protest is a valid form of resistance, even if you're doing it for a retarded reason.

 

[BFoe]

To be fair the Democrats did the same thing in 2016, without the capital building part of course.

For Trump entire first term you couldn't go 5 minutes without some Dem crying about "Russian collusion".

We absolutely did not. At no time did Hillary try and submit some slate of fraudulent electors to try and steal the presidency. She also didn’t try and have anyone’s votes thrown out in court. She also didn’t do the “capitol part,” as you put it. Therefore she did not do any of it at all.

IF he'd lost a democratic election this wouldn't have happened though. He didn't.

Tbh he should’ve been convicted on impeachment articles (the second time at the very least, if not the first) and prohibited from holding public office ever again.

But then again, I thought it was insane when half the country didn’t GAF that Trump tried to disenfranchise 13 million voters, but it turns out some of the people he tried to disenfranchise last time were willing to just give him their votes this time.

 

[Koro_11]

We absolutely did not. At no time did Hillary try and submit some slate of fraudulent electors to try and steal the presidency. She also didn’t try and have anyone’s votes thrown out in court. She also didn’t do the “capitol part,” as you put it. Therefore she did not do any of it at all.

Trump didn't do "the capitol part" either, yet you're all happy to hang him for it as if he was out there on the front line next to the guy with the buffalo hat.

 

[BFoe]

Trump didn't do "the capitol part" either, yet you're all happy to hang him for it as if he was out there on the front line next to the guy with the buffalo hat.

The fake elector scheme is much worse. With J6, he can at least claim some small bit of plausible deniability. The fake elector scheme, he cannot. We know he was involved, we know who else was involved, we have the documents that lay out the scheme, we know who planned the scheme, we know who the fake electors were in each state, and if anyone has any doubt about any of those details, Ken Chesebro has already plead guilty to all those things in GA (in addition to several of Trump’s lawyers), and some fake electors have plead guilty as well.
It’s not even a question.

 

[Source]

The fake elector scheme comes to mind.

 

[Rational Poster]

Even less than a retard? I thought I was already at the bottom and got no place to go but up.

Anyway I accept your surrender.

Yeah you're either exceptionally stupid or actually dishonest and evil if you're going to still pretend not to know what Federal charges I'm talking about.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

replace democracy with bureaucracy

 

[Rational Poster]

The fake elector scheme is much worse. With J6, he can at least claim some small bit of plausible deniability. The fake elector scheme, he cannot. We know he was involved, we know who else was involved, we have the documents that lay out the scheme, we know who planned the scheme, we know who the fake electors were in each state, and if anyone has any doubt about any of those details, Ken Chesebro has already plead guilty to all those things in GA (in addition to several of Trump’s lawyers), and some fake electors have plead guilty as well.
It’s not even a question.

The J6 Riot was an active measure in part of the scheme to coerce elected officials to either decertify or delay the certification of the vote. It wasn't the coup attempt itself.

 

[Koro_11]

The fake elector scheme is much worse. With J6, he can at least claim some small bit of plausible deniability. The fake elector scheme, he cannot. We know he was involved, we know who else was involved, we have the documents that lay out the scheme, we know who planned the scheme, we know who the fake electors were in each state, and if anyone has any doubt about any of those details, Ken Chesebro has already plead guilty to all those things in GA (in addition to several of Trump’s lawyers), and some fake electors have plead guilty as well.
It’s not even a question.

I'll have to take your word for it as you're clearly more educated on the subject. That said, it's still not something I give a shit about if I'm honest, it still doesn't make him look nearly as bad as the commies on the other side.

 

[Koro_11]

Yeah you're either exceptionally stupid or actually dishonest and evil if you're going to still pretend not to know what Federal charges I'm talking about.

I like evil genius better than exceptionally stupid so lets go with that.

 

[BFoe]

The J6 Riot was an active measure in part of the scheme to coerce elected officials to either decertify or delay the certification of the vote. It wasn't the coup attempt itself.

Exactly this.

I'll have to take your word for it as you're clearly more educated on the subject. That said, it's still not something I give a shit about if I'm honest, it still doesn't make him look nearly as bad as the commies on the other side.

I can appreciate your honesty, but yeah—I can explain things to people, but I can’t make them care about it.
I’ll leave you with a rhetorical question, which is: if we have reached a point where we don’t care when someone tries to violate millions of Americans’ voting rights, then what kind of country are we really?

 

[KaNesDeath]

Should this be my reaction?

I feel like you're somehow expecting it to be, but it makes me feel more like:

Considering his outcome your reaction should be more of a face palm.

 

[avenue94]

I have never felt that Republicans were a threat to democracy. I think good honest people can be Democrats or Republicans and just have ideological differences.

Trump however is a malignant narcissist and that means that he is a con man, a iar, a sadist and he's paranoid.. he likes to hurt people and he likes to divide people so lying about losing the election last time and never telling the truth that's a threat to democracy. Dividing people against each other in order to set himself up as the sole source of authority and power and truth is a profound threat to democracy.

A malignant narcissist has no business ever being in a position of leadership and Trump is a malignant narcissist. So the entire threat to democracy issue centers only around Trump and Republicans can only be said to be a part of the problem in that they follow Trump or support him.

It's not just that. Trump's grievance politics are the fruits of decades of GOP inability to run on much else. He's not an aberration, he's the logical conclusion of the Tea Party, GOP's lack of governing chops, stacking of the judiciary, catering to an extreme base due to gerrymandering, etc.

 

[emefer]

You’re about to find out

 

[Koro_11]

I can appreciate your honesty, but yeah—I can explain things to people, but I can’t make them care about it.
I’ll leave you with a rhetorical question, which is: if we have reached a point where we don’t care when someone tries to violate millions of Americans’ voting rights, then what kind of country are we really?

Well since you appreciate my honesty I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you once again, while I'm glad Trump won last night I hate the fact that he's the best that the conservatives could come up with and I don't like the clown world we live in at the moment.

That said, I think the left is so deranged, so insane and so brazen, that the only counter to it is another monster who doesn't respond the way a completely ethical and sane person would. The kind of person who won't even flinch when you call him a racist or a nazi, the kinda person who thrives in chaos and rolls with the punches and doesn't lose his cool. I think most decent people would get eaten alive in that game, and I think one needs to be a bit of a gangster to deal with other gangsters.

Is Trump some ideal guy for president? In most cases no, but maybe in this particular moment in time he's the only hope we have, as crazy as that sounds.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

if this is a reference to trump and his constituents, as well as jan 6th rioters, they undeniably broke the law.

And you think Trump is going to be able to jail people who didn't break the law?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

And you think Trump is going to be able to jail people who didn't break the law?

well yes he probably could, but it's pretty obvious he wants to create laws that he can then say they broke.