What does Jon do that no one else does?

[icemun]

The way he made Bonnar look like a child was what caught my attention back then,got his autograph right around the same time the 3rd UFC fight was with Bonnar.

08'-09' long before he became a house hold name

Hell yeah

I remember friends at the time, you gotta see that guy. That fight caught my attention for sure, that elbow and belly back suplex at the time was something out of movies

 

[icemun]

I don't understand much, but I do understand Reyes sent Jones out of the division and he took 3+ years off while Ngannou fought 3x. He had all that time to fight Francis and didn't. I think it's pretty clear Jones has no interest in fighting the best hw's, in the weakest era even. He took the Gane fight because he has terrible grappling, cherry picked Stipe, and now wants Poatan to move up.


If they came to an agreement Jones likely would have changed his mind anyway, like he did with Tom, which is why he's not on the white house card. If Jones agreed to fight Ngannou it's because he knew it probably wouldn't happen. If you think in any way Ngannou ducked an mma fight with Jones and took the easy way out to go box Tyson Fury you're a silly goose. A fight he arguably won, I wonder how Jones would do boxing Tyson Fury. He also made more money from the Fury fight than he did in his entire UFC career, that might have been a motivating factor.

Also, none of what I said happened? Dana didn't say Jones should think about moving to 185 after Francis ko'd Stipe?



Jones never said he needed time to put on muscle to become a proper hw? And he didn't show up looking like this?

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Weird fellacious revisionist history


Francis was UFC champion for less than 150 days and in the END QUIT the UFC instead of fighting Jones.
He literally QUIT MMA and said "I dont want to fight Jones" and explains why he QUIT









Jones was somehow supposed to force someone who quit the UFC to fight him. how?



Prior to March 2021: Francis wasn't the champ
March 2021: Francis wins the UFC HW title
March 2021-October 2021: Francis heals from the title fight and seeks a defense. At this point Jones has 0 heavyweight bouts.
October 2021: Francis vs. Ciryl announced.
January 23 2022: Francis fights Ciryl.
January 26 2022: Francis announces he won't return until a knee surgery and recovery, so he is targeting 2023.
March 2022: Francis has the surgery. 9 month recovery reported. Targeted return early 2023.
January 2023: Francis leaves the UFC.

 

[FilipEmoFights]

What does Jon do that no one else does?​

Coke? Eye Poke? Turinibol? Pulse? Hid under the Octagon from Commission drug tests? Beat his wife in front of his kids? Hit and Run?

I forgot about hiding under the octogan

 

[Gamer2k4]

As a matter of fact, @icemun :

Opponent	Age Difference (Opponent was)	Reach Adv (Jones had)
Andre Gusmão	10 years older	+8"
Jake O’Brien	3 years older	+8"
Matt Hamill	11 years older	+8"
Brandon Vera	10 years older	+7"
Vladimir Matyushenko	16 years older	+11"
Ryan Bader	4 years older	+11"
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua	6 years older	+9"
Lyoto Machida	9 years older	+12"
Rashad Evans	8 years older	+10"
Vitor Belfort	10 years older	+11"
Glover Teixeira	8 years older	+9"
Daniel Cormier (UFC 182)	9 years older	+8"
Ovince Saint Preux	5 years older	+5"
Daniel Cormier (UFC 214)	9 years older	+8"
Thiago Santos	4 years older	+8"
Chael Sonnen	10 years older	+10.5"

Across his entire career, Jon Jones has only been older than three opponents:

1. Anthony Smith (2019) – Jones 31, Smith 30 (1 year)
2. Dominick Reyes (2020) – Jones 32, Reyes 30 (2 years)
3. Ciryl Gane (2023) – Jones 35, Gane 32 (3 years)

And - of course - Jon Jones has never faced an opponent with a longer reach than his own.

@FilipEmoFights - here's the answer to Your OP.

This is one of those arguments that's unwinnable no matter which side you take. If Jones was older than all his opponents, people would complain about how he cherry-picked green fighters instead of fighting veterans. Since he was younger, the argument instead is that he only fought old fighters past their prime.

What it comes down to is that when you're the youngest champion in UFC history, you're going to fight people older than you. A lot. Age, like reach or punching power or slick submission skills, is one of those factors that's only useful if you've got all the other qualities to back it up. If being young is such an overwhelming advantage, we'd see a lot of young champions, and the reality is that we don't.

 

[Marko Polo]

LOOL going for the only hope Jones haters has got left: turning Jones' actual wins in to make believe losses.

Weak. People on Instagram or whatever can pretend to believe this, not someone on here who is informed. Jon got gifted the decision after getting beat handily. Anything else is pure delusion.

 

[Ladder Master]

 

[Fedorgasm]

Honestly, he just had the balls to challenge the referees to stop him.

He saw that the refs were reluctant to do anything beyond issuing warnings, so he decided to ignore the rules. He did get DQ'd once for an illegal elbow but he's gotten away with eyepokes every time after that. So it's a winning strategy.

He made the same observation regarding roids. He did get a NC once but he's gotten away with it a bunch of other times so that, too, is a winning strategy.

 

[loisestrad]

Weak. People on Instagram or whatever can pretend to believe this, not someone on here who is informed. Jon got gifted the decision after getting beat handily. Anything else is pure delusion.

Was a close fight that got waaaay exaggerated into "biggest robbery ever!" cuz a lot of people dislike Jones (for good reason, I'll admit).

It's definitely make believe to say that Jones got beat "handily". He didn't.

But who cares really, it's not really relevant in 2026. I don't know why the fuck it's still getting me annoyed

 

[Hotora86]

This is one of those arguments that's unwinnable no matter which side you take. If Jones was older than all his opponents, people would complain about how he cherry-picked green fighters instead of fighting veterans. Since he was younger, the argument instead is that he only fought old fighters past their prime.

What it comes down to is that when you're the youngest champion in UFC history, you're going to fight people older than you. A lot. Age, like reach or punching power or slick submission skills, is one of those factors that's only useful if you've got all the other qualities to back it up. If being young is such an overwhelming advantage, we'd see a lot of young champions, and the reality is that we don't.

Sure, I'm not saying it was only youth that made Jon great.
Jon was/had a perfect storm of circumstances to win so much:

• in the mix from a young age
• natural talent
• excellent physique
• ridiculous reach
• great coaches
• high fight IQ
• often undersized opponents
• mostly aging opponents
• PEDs
• eye pokes
• refs on his side in every close fight (Gus, Santos, Reyes)
• heavily supported by Dana

 

[JKS]

I don't understand much, but I do understand Reyes sent Jones out of the division and he took 3+ years off while Ngannou fought 3x. He had all that time to fight Francis and didn't. I think it's pretty clear Jones has no interest in fighting the best hw's, in the weakest era even. He took the Gane fight because he has terrible grappling, cherry picked Stipe, and now wants Poatan to move up.


If they came to an agreement Jones likely would have changed his mind anyway, like he did with Tom, which is why he's not on the white house card. If Jones agreed to fight Ngannou it's because he knew it probably wouldn't happen. If you think in any way Ngannou ducked an mma fight with Jones and took the easy way out to go box Tyson Fury you're a silly goose. A fight he arguably won, I wonder how Jones would do boxing Tyson Fury. He also made more money from the Fury fight than he did in his entire UFC career, that might have been a motivating factor.

Also, none of what I said happened? Dana didn't say Jones should think about moving to 185 after Francis ko'd Stipe?



Jones never said he needed time to put on muscle to become a proper hw? And he didn't show up looking like this?

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Once you again you clearly don't understand the timeline or the circumstances around this situation.

Before I get into the rest, you're claiming Reyes sent him out of the division ?? That is just pure stupidity considering Jon won the fight and completely cleared our 3 generations at LHW. What was Jon to do?? Hang around and fight Reyes again? Jan? Fight Santos or Smith rematches?? Come on, that is just nonsense. Everyone wanted Jon at HW and it was long overdue.

And yes....the famous 3 years to fight Ngannou BS. People that say this clearly don't understand the circumstances. Jon did not have 3 years to fight Ngnannou, nonsense. He fought his last fight at LHW in Feb 20 and then debuted at HW March 23, which is a 3 year span. However, Jon didn't give up his LHW belt till Aug 20 and at that point decided to move to HW. At that point the focus was to fight Stipe who was HW champ. Jon was not going to fight anyone at HW unelss it was for the belt. And Francis himself was focused on the belt. Francis won the belt in April 21 and that is when the fight made sense. Jon was in a contract dispute and Francis fought Gane instead in Jan 22. And after that Francis injured his knee and was out the entire year of 2022 rehabilitating his knee and negotiating a new deal. So you literally had a span of 6 months for this fight to come together from April 21 to Nov 21. Not 3 years. And when it actually was going to come together, Francis declined.

Jon wouldn't have changed his mind and why? Because for the very event that Jon was booked for, 2 months prior to Francis being let go he actually ended up fighting on.
Francis was offered the fight and new contract and he declined. Jon said yes, was booked for UFC 285, they offered it to Francis and he decliend. So if you're gonna blame anyone, you blame Francis simple as that. And I am not saying Francis ducked Jon, I am saying and always said that he took the better and safer deal to box and fight in PFL, the deal that was better for him at the time.

But to your point, yes he certainly did take the easy way out, which was the smart way. Fighting Jon was riskier beacuse if he lost, then his pay would have gone down from champions pay and he would be in limbo. Fighting Fury, he ended up with a great pay day, but win or lose, he still had his PFL deal that paid him big money. So it was a win win for him to leave the UFC in this case. And to your point about him making more money fighting Fury than he did in his entire UFC career? Once again, that is BS.....you don't compare what made in the past vs a future fight. You would compare future fight vs future fight. And in his contract for Jon Jones, the contract was around 8 million + PPV, so at the least it would equal his purse vs Fury, and likely exceed it if the PPV did very well.

 

[swarrrm]

Once you again you clearly don't understand the timeline or the circumstances around this situation.

Before I get into the rest, you're claiming Reyes sent him out of the division ?? That is just pure stupidity considering Jon won the fight and completely cleared our 3 generations at LHW. What was Jon to do?? Hang around and fight Reyes again? Jan? Fight Santos or Smith rematches?? Come on, that is just nonsense. Everyone wanted Jon at HW and it was long overdue.

And yes....the famous 3 years to fight Ngannou BS. People that say this clearly don't understand the circumstances. Jon did not have 3 years to fight Ngnannou, nonsense. He fought his last fight at LHW in Feb 20 and then debuted at HW March 23, which is a 3 year span. However, Jon didn't give up his LHW belt till Aug 20 and at that point decided to move to HW. At that point the focus was to fight Stipe who was HW champ. Jon was not going to fight anyone at HW unelss it was for the belt. And Francis himself was focused on the belt. Francis won the belt in April 21 and that is when the fight made sense. Jon was in a contract dispute and Francis fought Gane instead in Jan 22. And after that Francis injured his knee and was out the entire year of 2022 rehabilitating his knee and negotiating a new deal. So you literally had a span of 6 months for this fight to come together from April 21 to Nov 21. Not 3 years. And when it actually was going to come together, Francis declined.

Jon wouldn't have changed his mind and why? Because for the very event that Jon was booked for, 2 months prior to Francis being let go he actually ended up fighting on.
Francis was offered the fight and new contract and he declined. Jon said yes, was booked for UFC 285, they offered it to Francis and he decliend. So if you're gonna blame anyone, you blame Francis simple as that. And I am not saying Francis ducked Jon, I am saying and always said that he took the better and safer deal to box and fight in PFL, the deal that was better for him at the time.

But to your point, yes he certainly did take the easy way out, which was the smart way. Fighting Jon was riskier beacuse if he lost, then his pay would have gone down from champions pay and he would be in limbo. Fighting Fury, he ended up with a great pay day, but win or lose, he still had his PFL deal that paid him big money. So it was a win win for him to leave the UFC in this case. And to your point about him making more money fighting Fury than he did in his entire UFC career? Once again, that is BS.....you don't compare what made in the past vs a future fight. You would compare future fight vs future fight. And in his contract for Jon Jones, the contract was around 8 million + PPV, so at the least it would equal his purse vs Fury, and likely exceed it if the PPV did very well.

Yea there's no fuckin way I'm reading all that. I knew it was a mistake to go back and forth with a Jones fan, fucking weirdos.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Nobody has ever thought the game as good as him. He has the best fight IQ in the cage ever. Which is funny because outside of it, he’s just about the opposite,

 

[JKS]

Yea there's no fuckin way I'm reading all that. I knew it was a mistake to go back and forth with a Jones fan, fucking weirdos.


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So basically you got no argument here and know you're done. That's a white flag you're waving buddy.

And you got the wrong idea pal, I am the furthest from a Jones fan. While I have lots of respect for his fighting ability, I personally can't stand him. But I don't get my personal opinion get in the way of logic and I have no bias. I just go by facts and how the situation played out.

I think I have a very fair perspective on the Jones/Ngannou saga.

 

[ChessJitsu]

exist with an 86 inch reach lol