Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[Sinister]

Acknowledging that they have a tough job and that they are dealing with shit that average people would be traumatized from on the daily isn't asking for a "gold star" it's just acknowledging the reality of the job. They do however deserve respect for the work that they do. The overwhelming majority of cops are doing the right thing day in and day out.

Then don't cry about getting shot for attacking cops.

You ever know any ER nurses? They have to deal with a very similar amount of and type of BS that Cops do. And they have probably less than half the lawsuits of excessive force when they have to subdue a crackhead or someone who is trying to fight them, which happens on a routine basis.

Good Cops should definitely yet recognized and commended, except when they work alongside sh*tty Cops who have done too much "Warrior" training and now view the public as potential enemies. We're not in this thread sh*t-talking the good Cops that are out there, and in fact we often support ones who intervene against their terrible colleagues and get retaliated against for it. That said this is a thread about what's wrong with policing in general, there ain't gonna be much in the ways of boot-licking here

 

[Phisher]

For every one interaction where the cops are in the wrong, there are thousands of other ones where cops are doing the right thing and the public is fucking insane.

I regularly watch body cam videos. The amount of bullshit that cops have to deal with on the daily is unreal. I couldn't do that job, I would start curb stomping people after two weeks. They get treated like complete shit and attacked all of the time over basic ass interactions that the criminal escalates into a huge issue, and have to just take it and be nice while it's happening.

We need more no-nonsense cops IMO. Sometimes police brutality is warranted.

People like me would have a lot less problems with cops getting stuff wrong, like all human beings do, if they didn't lie, gaslight and try to prosecute the victims of their mistakes to avoid accountability.

Also, serial fuck ups can have long careers in law enforcement while the public foots the bill for their incompetence.

 

[Snubnoze707]

You ever know any ER nurses? They have to deal with a very similar amount of and type of BS that Cops do. And they have probably less than half the lawsuits of excessive force when they have to subdue a crackhead or someone who is trying to fight them, which happens on a routine basis.

They do, but not nearly at a level of consistency that cops do, so "less than half" tracks with the amount of those interactions they deal with.

Good Cops should definitely yet recognized and commended, except when they work alongside sh*tty Cops who have done too much "Warrior" training and now view the public as potential enemies. We're not in this thread sh*t-talking the good Cops that are out there, and in fact we often support ones who intervene against their terrible colleagues and get retaliated against for it. That said this is a thread about what's wrong with policing in general, there ain't gonna be much in the ways of boot-licking here

So they are only "good cops" when they confront "bad cops" but not when they confront bad criminals?

I was more in line with you guys on my perception of cops, because much like this thread, only the bad stuff gets highlighted. Now that there are 100's of youtube channels posting body cam footage daily I've been exposed to a much broader sample size of their interactions and have thus developed much more respect for the shit they deal with and how fucked up the public is and their inability to act like adults when dealing with cops. Full on temper tantrum throwing children, violent maniacs, drunk idiots, crazy Karens, all that shit. I can see how some of these cops can be driven to look at the public as potential enemies, because they are.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Acknowledging that they have a tough job and that they are dealing with shit that average people would be traumatized from on the daily isn't asking for a "gold star" it's just acknowledging the reality of the job. They do however deserve respect for the work that they do. The overwhelming majority of cops are doing the right thing day in and day out.

Then don't cry about getting shot for attacking cops.

They sign up for that job. They get paid very well for that job. I hereby acknowledge the job sucks and it’s dangerous and hard. They don’t deserve my respect for doing their job anymore than anyone else does. I’ll respect them for doing their job the same way I respect a barista or the kid wrangling shopping carts at the grocery store. I hereby bestow upon all police a Basic, human level of respect. Be sure to tell them for me.

Again, doing “the right thing day in and day out” is the bare fucking minimum for being a decent human being. They don’t get extra credit for it.

When have I ever cried about someone getting ventilated for attacking cops?

 

[Snubnoze707]

They sign up for that job. They get paid very well for that job. I hereby acknowledge the job sucks and it’s dangerous and hard. They don’t deserve my respect for doing their job anymore than anyone else does. I’ll respect them for doing their job the same way I respect a barista or the kid wrangling shopping carts at the grocery store. I hereby bestow upon all police a Basic, human level of respect. Be sure to tell them for me.

Again, doing “the right thing day in and day out” is the bare fucking minimum for being a decent human being. They don’t get extra credit for it.

When have I ever cried about someone getting ventilated for attacking cops?

You can feel however you want to feel about cops. I didn't come into this thread quoting you. I gave my opinion on the topic, which I stand by, and you decided to start interacting with me. Take it or leave it.

 

[DoctorTaco]

They do, but not nearly at a level of consistency that cops do, so "less than half" tracks with the amount of those interactions they deal with.

Prove that with any sort of numbers or statistics.

So they are only "good cops" when they confront "bad cops" but not when they confront bad criminals?

Yes. Confronting criminals is their job. I’ve known plenty of cops earning 6 figure salaries to do this job.

I can see how some of these cops can be driven to look at the public as potential enemies, because they are.

If the cops treat the public as potential enemies then how can you blame the public for treating cops as potential enemies? Someone treating you as a potential enemy isn’t a one way street.

 

[Phisher]

LOL The hits keep coming this week.

Mesa, Arizona park rangers are under investigation for running their own violent internal gang.

Literally every law enforcement agency in Maricopa county has had some sort of major scandal in the past five years.

But remember folks, the people who complain about all of this corruption from government employees are the problem and not the clowns who're getting paid taxpayer dollars to abuse people.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Prove that with any sort of numbers or statistics.

No. He didn't provide any statistics either.

Yes. Confronting criminals is their job. I’ve known plenty of cops earning 6 figure salaries to do this job.

Cool, they get paid to do their job. What exactly is your point? Am I not allowed to talk about the good stuff they do because they are paid, only the bad interactions?

If the cops treat the public as potential enemies then how can you blame the public for treating cops as potential enemies? Someone treating you as a potential enemy isn’t a one way street.

If you're not an enemy, then the interaction goes by smoothly and you are on your merry way. With that job comes risks, and if they are doing a good job, they are going to do their job to mitigate those risks. They have authority in these interactions whether you like it or not, it is a one way street.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You can feel however you want to feel about cops. I didn't come into this thread quoting you. I gave my opinion on the topic, which I stand by, and you decided to start interacting with me. Take it or leave it.

You said,

Then don't cry about getting shot for attacking cops.

Insinuating I have somehow cried about people getting shot for attacking cops. I am a moderate when it comes to police issues. I like cops. A society needs cops. I want to pay cops well. I want to take things off of their plates and give them to other civil servants.

But I also want oversight. Accountability. Literally that’s it. That’s all I’m asking about and all I’m complaining about.

 

[Sinister]

They do, but not nearly at a level of consistency that cops do, so "less than half" tracks with the amount of those interactions they deal with.

So they are only "good cops" when they confront "bad cops" but not when they confront bad criminals?

I was more in line with you guys on my perception of cops, because much like this thread, only the bad stuff gets highlighted. Now that there are 100's of youtube channels posting body cam footage daily I've been exposed to a much broader sample size of their interactions and have thus developed much more respect for the shit they deal with and how fucked up the public is and their inability to act like adults when dealing with cops. Full on temper tantrum throwing children, violent maniacs, drunk idiots, crazy Karens, all that shit. I can see how some of these cops can be driven to look at the public as potential enemies, because they are.

Yes, a "good Cop" who stands there and watches their colleagues engage in criminal behavior towards the public and does nothing ceases to be a "good Cop" in that moment. And as @Phisher pointed out these terrible acts are not only often systemic, but there is little done about it except paying out of lawsuits from taxpayer funds. Hence, no real accountability.

Dude, this is a thread ABOUT the bad things. I believe there was a thread about the good things, you wanna point that stuff out go right ahead.

No, there is never an excuse to look at the public as potential enemies, and anyone vulnerable to that mentality should immediately be removed from policing. All that sh*t does is turn the Cops into just another gang trying to win, instead of actually working to keep the peace. Good Cops become an integral part of their community. Not merely an enforcement arm of bureaucracy. When you're part of the community, it becomes exponentially easier to work around the daily absurdity as opposed to thinking you have to crush it into submission:

 

[Snubnoze707]

You said,

Insinuating I have somehow cried about people getting attacked by cops. I am a moderate when it comes to police issues. I like cops. A society needs cops. I want to pay cops well. I want to take things off of their plates and give them to other civil servants.

But I also want oversight. Accountability. Literally that’s it. That’s all I’m asking about and all I’m complaining about.

You literally edited my words in a quote to say "Sometimes police being brutalized is warranted." so pardon me for drawing a conclusion based on that action. I don't know you, and I don't think I've ever interacted with you on this board before, so that's what I had to go off of.

I'm not arguing against oversight either and I think cops that are corrupt or abusive should be punished to the full extent.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Yes, a "good Cop" who stands there and watches their colleagues engage in criminal behavior towards the public and does nothing ceases to be a "good Cop" in that moment. And as @Phisher pointed out these terrible acts are not only often systemic, but there is little done about it except paying out of lawsuits from taxpayer funds. Hence, no real accountability.

Dude, this is a thread ABOUT the bad things. I believe there was a thread about the good things, you wanna point that stuff out go right ahead.

No, there is never an excuse to look at the public as potential enemies, and anyone vulnerable to that mentality should immediately be removed from policing. All that sh*t does is turn the Cops into just another gang trying to win, instead of actually working to keep the peace. Good Cops become an integral part of their community. Not merely an enforcement arm of bureaucracy. When you're part of the community, it becomes exponentially easier to work around the daily absurdity as opposed to thinking you have to crush it into submission:

At no point have I argued that cops shouldn't expose others for bad behavior, or that cops should not be punished and held to account. Not even remotely my position. I do however disagree with your blanketing of cops as if this kind of stuff is completely systemic. You seem to be coming from a perspective that cops are inherently bad, unless proven otherwise.

Cops are regularly attacked and assaulted by the public, even by people that seem sweet and calm right off of the bat up until the point of arrest when they completely flip and act like maniacs. I just watched one interaction earlier today where a lady stabbed a cop in the face with his own pen when he attempted to detain her. The public ARE potential threats and cops have to be prepared for that. They wouldn't be doing their job right if they didn't. That doesn't mean they have to be a dick or aggressive, but they certainly have to be aware and prepared.

 

[DoctorTaco]

No. He didn't provide any statistics either.

every shift an emergency medicine practitioner signs in for will be traumatic. Those doctors and nurses will see more death and pain involving innocent people in their career than any cop.

Am I not allowed to talk about the good stuff they do because they are paid, only the bad interactions?

Talk about what ever you want. I just don’t believe in celebrating people for not being assholes or for doing the thing they get paid to do.

you're not an enemy, then the interaction goes by smoothly and you are on your merry way

You just said that they treat people like enemies, and I agree. They treat suspects like enemies.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You literally edited my words in a quote to say "Sometimes police being brutalized is warranted." so pardon me for drawing a conclusion based on that action. I don't know you, and I don't think I've ever interacted with you on this board before, so that's what I had to go off of.

I'm not arguing against oversight either and I think cops that are corrupt or abusive should be punished to the full extent.

You said sometimes police brutality is warranted, so how can you possibly disagree that sometimes it’s also warranted to brutalize a cop?

Agree on oversight.

 

[DoctorTaco]

position. I do however disagree with your blanketing of cops as if this kind of stuff is completely systemic

The cover up and protection of bad cops is absolutely systematic.

 

[DEVILsSON]

I think qualified immunity needs to end. Every cop should be required to carry liability insurance for which they pay pretax out of pocket(just like for pension nowadays) and obviously if you have many complaints or use of force then your liability insurance will be much higher and eventually may force you out on that alone.

 

[Phisher]

Agents from ICE, FBI and HSI raid a home looking for previous tenants and force a US citizen and her children to wait outside in their underwear while it was raining.

She had her life savings in the house because she'd just moved from out of state. The money was confiscated along with everything else but the furniture.

Expect more of this under the current batshit crazy administration.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Agents from ICE, FBI and HSI raid a home looking for previous tenants and force a US citizen and her children to wait outside in their underwear while it was raining.

She had her life savings in the house because she'd just moved from out of state. The money was confiscated along with everything else but the furniture.

Expect more of this under the current batshit crazy administration.

I’m sure all the folks defending ICE and Trump in other threads will be by any moment to condemn this raid and destruction/theft of personal property on US citizens.

 

[Phisher]

This shit is insane.

Cop wakes up innocent man sleeping in his hotel room and then beats him severely for "resisting" because he was startled by being woken up.

This fucking lunatic got acquitted by a federal jury and is back on duty.

The issue with bad policing isn't just the government. It's bootlickers who will tolerate all manner of misconduct because they think that cops having no accountability somehow makes them safer.

 

[Stoic1]

Drug test the cops for PE drugs.