Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[Super_Nintendo]

he put a lot of work into that thread it was merged??? shameless mods, man. disgusting.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Ok, now I see where the defund aspect came in. I have read some bits and pieces about the brave cave, and I was looking forward to doing research on it to educate myself fully on the topic in a thread, but we all know it would have been dumped and all that work for nothing. And at the end, that city worker was completely violating the first amendment of that reporter and I would not be surprised to see a lawsuit which is justified

And of course I am biased in many of these stories. I am a retired coo. But I also will not hesitate to call out bad cops because I hate them and they are so destructive to community police relations, they cost cities millions, and they violate the rights of the people. But those are bad cops-the criminals with badges, however, having been in so many bad situations and having come close to using my gun on multiple occasions, I have a great deal of empathy towards officers that are on the wrong side of that split second call. Perfect example, Kim potter, who shot and killed Duante weight when she mistook her gun for a taser. She called out taser taser taser and then shot him. She knew she fucked up and was visibly upset after shooting him. She was charged and convicted, however, she did get a lenient sentence, thankfully. What bothered me is the police owned that mistake and there were still riots and calls to have unarmed traffic cops-one of the worst ideas in the defund movement.

Well the terms "good cop bad cop" are so subjective anyways. That's something else we will never agree on.

I also, don't necessarily agree with the deduction of the Kim Potter situation to "good cop who made an honest mistake and was punished."
Climate & culture have everything to do with the reaction to that. Let's also remember you have been big on pushing the narrative that genrically cops have special skills, special intuition, special training, & situational awareness that makes them more capable in these fast paced law enforcement scenarios. Thats not just unique to you, but the whole Blue Backing culture pushes this too non stop.
If a cop mistakes their gun for a taser and still discharges it in a deadly manner, I'm sorry, that is a bad cop. Bad in the sense of not having the right training, the right skill set, or the right temperament.
I think that was an appropriate question that community should have been asking.

Its also that total lack of self awareness and reality that gets cops in a lot of trouble. Ego wise & not being able to recognize their glaring holes, so no improvement is ever made.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

he put a lot of work into that thread it was merged??? shameless mods, man. disgusting.

Brah, when it comes to getting threads merged the statistics show that you are disproportionately more prone to those kind of violations.
Is it due to your culture?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

 

[nhbbear]

Well the terms "good cop bad cop" are so subjective anyways. That's something else we will never agree on.

I also, don't necessarily agree with the deduction of the Kim Potter situation to "good cop who made an honest mistake and was punished."
Climate & culture have everything to do with the reaction to that. Let's also remember you have been big on pushing the narrative that genrically cops have special skills, special intuition, special training, & situational awareness that makes them more capable in these fast paced law enforcement scenarios. Thats not just unique to you, but the whole Blue Backing culture pushes this too non stop.
If a cop mistakes their gun for a taser and still discharges it in a deadly manner, I'm sorry, that is a bad cop. Bad in the sense of not having the right training, the right skill set, or the right temperament.
I think that was an appropriate question that community should have been asking.

Its also that total lack of self awareness and reality that gets cops in a lot of trouble. Ego wise & not being able to recognize their glaring holes, so no improvement is ever made.

Would extensive training is law enforcement tactics for years not make a cop more knowledgeable about police actions than your average person? Would studying and knowing the laws not make a person more knowledgeable about the legality of shootings and use of force? I realize that in many instances, a prosecutor or lawyer might know more than I do on the legality issues and academic side of things, but not always. I was a court documented use of force expert. I have a masters in criminology. Not a law degree, mind you, but I do know my shit.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Would extensive training is law enforcement tactics for years not make a cop more knowledgeable about police actions than your average person? Would studying and knowing the laws not make a person more knowledgeable about the legality of shootings and use of force? I realize that in many instances, a prosecutor or lawyer might know more than I do on the legality issues and academic side of things, but not always. I was a court documented use of force expert. I have a masters in criminology. Not a law degree, mind you, but I do know my shit.

It would in some cases, in others it just reinforces stereotypes & profiling. Or this whole idea that they have an innate ability when too many don’t.
Its like many other fields. Some exel. Some dont. Some are total fakers.

Also, training is not universal. Some of these cops do absolutely nothing. A lot aren't even in any kind of shape or have any kind of natural ability to handle themselves. I saw a study once that showed how most departments' firearms trainings were subpar at best. Also that cops were actually no better shots than any other demographic of people.
Based off my many interactions with LEO I have been flat out accused of some of the WILDEST unwarranted allegations ever. So I'm never going to be convinced that a majority of them are actually good at solving stuff. If you profile enough you are going to find success. Even a broken clock is still right twice a day.

Here is another funny story that helped shape my opinion. Im in my early twenties I just bought a newer 2004 Corvette. The car needed some work. So I fixed it up and built it up. The tags expired over the time it took me to rebuild the top end of the motor. I finished up the car and it had a misfire. So I figured it out. Ran to the DMV in my regular car to go get the new 30 day temp tags.
Got back and put the temp license plate tags in the hatch/trunk. Buttoned up what I had to do to the car and took it for a test drive.
I got pulled over and realized oh shit I forgot to put the temp tags on the car. No biggie. It was a Black State Trooper. He goes "do you know why I pulled you over?" I'm like probably, I think I forgot to put my temp tags on, they are in the back hatch. He then starts his horrible detective work.

He asked why was I driving the car. I'm like its my car and I just fixed it. Needed to test it on the highway in the upper RPMs to make sure the misfire was gone. I give him my insurance, my valid license, and told him I can grab the tags in the hatch or he can open the trunk from the outside to confirm I just got the tags several hours ago.
He goes no, im just going to run the vin.

He comes back with a giant wild concocted story that I was lying. That this wasn't my car & that the DMV had not issued me tags. This is a common theme in my life. Whenever I am driving a nicer or cool vehicle, cops are always going out of their way to lie and say its not mine. Its insane.

I'm like look Im not going to debate this with you. I gave you consent to search the car and to see the tags if you want. The car is in my name. I have the title for it & you can tell that by the vin. Also, you can see the vin on my insurance. I said I'm guilty of not displaying the tags but the tags are legit and inside the car. But saying the car isn't mine or isn't registered is wrong or a flat out lie.

He literally told me "if I didn't tell him the truth right away he was going to take my ass to jail."
At this point I requested a supervisor. He then ordered me to step out of the car. I told him the only way I'm getting out of the car is to open the hatch and give him the tags. He said fine. He then began his same "I'm giving you one more chance to tell the truth" b.s.
Then he proceeds to tell me I can't open the hatch. We go back & forth some more. He finally goes. Im going to cuff you and put you in the back of my car. If there are no tags in here Im taking you to jail. I'm like you are absolutely not cuffing me. Finally he said I can just sit in the back. At this point I'm like fuck it because he seemed dead set on taking me to jail.
He puts me in the back of his car not cuffed. He opens my hatch and grabs the tags & registration right away. He looks them over calls them in. Then comes back and says this.
"You still lied to me, these are temp tags, not real tags, I should still take you to jail. "
I'm like you can't & you won't unless you want a lawsuit. Took my paperwork back and he got back in his car and left.
After a lifetime of interactions like this forgive me if I don't feel like a lot of LEO are good at anything other than profiling.

 

[oldshadow]

Another fake hate crime ? shocked ...

"Wolf, wolf no I really mean it wolf. I don't care what the facts are I called wolf."

 

[nhbbear]

"Wolf, wolf no I really mean it wolf. I don't care what the facts are I called wolf."

Isn’t this a few years old? Ridiculous. I can’t remember if they were charged (I think they were, but nothing came of it). I just looked it up. Took place in 2016 and they got three years of probation and two were kicked out of school. One of their lawyers still tried to claim victim status for them saying they were charged because they dared to report racial language being used towards them. Yeah, ok. That’s why they were prosecuted

 

[Sinister]

I'm not a lawyer, I only have BA in Political Science pre-law.
So maybe I'm wrong here, but I would think somebody breaking into a car with tools would warrant suspicion of a crime ?

Like lets pretend I take a giant brick and throw it through the window of a buisness as cops are driving by. I should just be able to say "its cool I own the buisness" & the cops should just drive by. As long as I keep doing the action??????

That's not wrong, but he sufficiently quelled the suspicion, that's what I was saying. And he wasnt abrasive towards them until they behaved like his reasonable addressing of their suspicions was insufficient, then they escalated it.

Dude you know demolition crews literally throw bricks through the windows of commercial and residential locations, and they dont actually own the location right? Police can have a reasonable suspicion, and if that suspicion is addressed (and in case, further corroborated by witnesses), they dont have the right to escalate beyond that point.

Not to mention that as per the 5th Amendment, you are under NO legal obligation to help Cops investigate yourself. That would be self-incriminatory. These guys just didnt want to use any other investigative means, they wanted cooperation, or to levy punishment if they didn't get it.

 

[ShadowRun]

he put a lot of work into that thread it was merged??? shameless mods, man. disgusting.

Their garbage

 

[WklySportsMemes]

That's not wrong, but he sufficiently quelled the suspicion, that's what I was saying. And he wasnt abrasive towards them until they behaved like his reasonable addressing of their suspicions was insufficient, then they escalated it.

Dude you know demolition crews literally throw bricks through the windows of commercial and residential locations, and they dont actually own the location right? Police can have a reasonable suspicion, and if that suspicion is addressed (and in case, further corroborated by witnesses), they dont have the right to escalate beyond that point.

Not to mention that as per the 5th Amendment, you are under NO legal obligation to help Cops investigate yourself. That would be self-incriminatory. These guys just didnt want to use any other investigative means, they wanted cooperation, or to levy punishment if they didn't get it.

The suspicion is not quelled by somebody saying i didn't do it even with a co-signer. They are allowed to investigate and its reasonable to assume a break in or vandalism if you see either act. Every criminal ever and their acompliance would just say "its my house, it's my car, I dont have to prove anything." Then the cops would just have to go away.
Pleading the 5th also is not a get out of an investigation/jail free card. It just means you don't have to incriminate yourself.

Plus even though I don't agree with the way cops use RAS all the time. It is true, that fleeing while being investigated or in the act of doing something suspicious validates the cop's case.

I do see witnesses saying that it was his truck. I wonder how many police officers in real life would call off their investigation based off that alone.

What other realistic "investigative tools" could they use if they can’t I.D. the owner?
I'm all for that and advocated for that in the stolen/car cop murdered incident. In that scenario it's easy to prove if the vehicle was the stolen car in question or not by running the plate & not forcing the occupent. In this scenario the only way to really identify the owner is by I.D.'ing them.

Let me ask you this. In the same exact situation you would do the same thing & not I.D. ??????

 

[nhbbear]

It would in some cases, in others it just reinforces stereotypes & profiling. Or this whole idea that they have an innate ability when too many don’t.
Its like many other fields. Some exel. Some dont. Some are total fakers.

Also, training is not universal. Some of these cops do absolutely nothing. A lot aren't even in any kind of shape or have any kind of natural ability to handle themselves. I saw a study once that showed how most departments' firearms trainings were subpar at best. Also that cops were actually no better shots than any other demographic of people.
Based off my many interactions with LEO I have been flat out accused of some of the WILDEST unwarranted allegations ever. So I'm never going to be convinced that a majority of them are actually good at solving stuff. If you profile enough you are going to find success. Even a broken clock is still right twice a day.

Here is another funny story that helped shape my opinion. Im in my early twenties I just bought a newer 2004 Corvette. The car needed some work. So I fixed it up and built it up. The tags expired over the time it took me to rebuild the top end of the motor. I finished up the car and it had a misfire. So I figured it out. Ran to the DMV in my regular car to go get the new 30 day temp tags.
Got back and put the temp license plate tags in the hatch/trunk. Buttoned up what I had to do to the car and took it for a test drive.
I got pulled over and realized oh shit I forgot to put the temp tags on the car. No biggie. It was a Black State Trooper. He goes "do you know why I pulled you over?" I'm like probably, I think I forgot to put my temp tags on, they are in the back hatch. He then starts his horrible detective work.

He asked why was I driving the car. I'm like its my car and I just fixed it. Needed to test it on the highway in the upper RPMs to make sure the misfire was gone. I give him my insurance, my valid license, and told him I can grab the tags in the hatch or he can open the trunk from the outside to confirm I just got the tags several hours ago.
He goes no, im just going to run the vin.

He comes back with a giant wild concocted story that I was lying. That this wasn't my car & that the DMV had not issued me tags. This is a common theme in my life. Whenever I am driving a nicer or cool vehicle, cops are always going out of their way to lie and say its not mine. Its insane.

I'm like look Im not going to debate this with you. I gave you consent to search the car and to see the tags if you want. The car is in my name. I have the title for it & you can tell that by the vin. Also, you can see the vin on my insurance. I said I'm guilty of not displaying the tags but the tags are legit and inside the car. But saying the car isn't mine or isn't registered is wrong or a flat out lie.

He literally told me "if I didn't tell him the truth right away he was going to take my ass to jail."
At this point I requested a supervisor. He then ordered me to step out of the car. I told him the only way I'm getting out of the car is to open the hatch and give him the tags. He said fine. He then began his same "I'm giving you one more chance to tell the truth" b.s.
Then he proceeds to tell me I can't open the hatch. We go back & forth some more. He finally goes. Im going to cuff you and put you in the back of my car. If there are no tags in here Im taking you to jail. I'm like you are absolutely not cuffing me. Finally he said I can just sit in the back. At this point I'm like fuck it because he seemed dead set on taking me to jail.
He puts me in the back of his car not cuffed. He opens my hatch and grabs the tags & registration right away. He looks them over calls them in. Then comes back and says this.
"You still lied to me, these are temp tags, not real tags, I should still take you to jail. "
I'm like you can't & you won't unless you want a lawsuit. Took my paperwork back and he got back in his car and left.
After a lifetime of interactions like this forgive me if I don't feel like a lot of LEO are good at anything other than profiling.

I have also had my fair share of run-ins with shitty cops and dirty cops. When I was about 15, we were shooting a BB gun in the woods and a cop came down and called us up. He then accused us of shooting out a neighbors lights, which we absolutely did not do. He kept calling me a liar and I said “sue, I swear on my life I did not shoot out anyone’s lights.” He unsnaps his six shooter early (90s) and points it at me and says “well then, son, I should just shoot you now because you’re a gif damn liar.” I lived a few houses down and he escorted me to my house to talk to my parents, neither of whom were home, so he made me go into my house and find $30 to replace her lights. He did not give me a choice, so I did it. The next night, some little cocksucker actually got caught doing what I was accused of. No apologies from the cops, not giving me my money back-just a lesson that you can’t trust all cops.

High Many years later, that same cop, Dacy was his name, called for backup from my department because he did a stop in our area. The area I grew up in was a little village on top of the hill and either side of the hill you go down, you end up in some part of our city. Anyway, he has a dui and some squirrels in the back seat that we’re giving his old ass a ration of shit. I walked up and when I saw it was him, I told my partner I would not back him up and I would tell him why later. So j went back to our cruiser and just sat there. Then the old fucking prick comes waddling back to ask me to run the driver for a dui. The system and machine had recently changed and none of the dinosaurs knew how to run a dui, not even my partner.

I finally told dacy that he treated me like shit when I was a kid and blamed me for shit I didn’t do and he wasn’t getting my help. I suggested he call out a county deputy for help, take the guy to the hospital for a blood draw, or learn how to do his fuckkng job. He asked me how to do a blood draw and i just looked at him and shook my head. I guess you better call the county i said. He tried to apologize for whatever it was that he did and I told him I did not accept it. I told him I wouldn’t let him get his ass beat or anything like that, but I wasn’t helping him do his job. We waited until county got there and left and I told my partner what had happened and he said he would have done the same thing, or much worse.

On the development of skills, we are still going to disagreeb no matter what. I am not in any way suggesting that cops develop special abilities, but you do learn how to read body language-I could tell when someone was going to run or fight and when they were lying most times. You can learn characteristics of armed subjects-how they carry, always protecting one side, hand on waist/crotch(works for drugs as well), heavy clothing or buldges where one shouldn’t be. You learn how to put together the puzzle that is ras and keep building a reason to conduct a stop and I got so good at it that defense lawyers very rarely challenged my ras.


As for training, I agree with you. I taught defensive tactics for 13 years and I constantly fought with the three chiefs I worked under to do much more dt and I was denied because of the cost to cover holes in shifts while officers were training. I explained that we were going to get nailed on a failure to train lawsuit if something ever happened. And some cops are so fat they make me sick. There should be a requirement that cops have a modicum of physical fitness. Departments should have gym memberships and some manner in which to track there time working out and get some comp/vacation time or even paid. Or some voluntary test each year to meet some minimum standards (based upon age) and they got a nice bonus. Being fit makes the department look better, are more reapected, and can do a better and easier job subduing suspects.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

he put a lot of work into that thread it was merged??? shameless mods, man. disgusting.

I'm personally not worried about the threads being merged but for the mod doing it to duck out of talking to him about it is pussy behaviour

 

[Via Heeto]

The ignorance of these cops is frightening. the female officer says in the deposition that she doesn't even know what is necessary to detain someone. The LIEUTENANT says he has no idea if it is illegal to refuse to id if you have done nothing wrong. they arrest her for talking pictures, illegally go through her stuff, etc. People need to stop blindly supporting cops. They may not all be corrupt like these two, but they all stand by and let it happen. just like @nhbbear probably thinks these are good cops and the citizen had it coming


They have been cops for 20 and 27 years respectively. i have never been a cop and i know more about the law than both of them combined

And it appears neither faced any consequences for what they did

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I have also had my fair share of run-ins with shitty cops and dirty cops. When I was about 15, we were shooting a BB gun in the woods and a cop came down and called us up. He then accused us of shooting out a neighbors lights, which we absolutely did not do. He kept calling me a liar and I said “sue, I swear on my life I did not shoot out anyone’s lights.” He unsnaps his six shooter early (90s) and points it at me and says “well then, son, I should just shoot you now because you’re a gif damn liar.” I lived a few houses down and he escorted me to my house to talk to my parents, neither of whom were home, so he made me go into my house and find $30 to replace her lights. He did not give me a choice, so I did it. The next night, some little cocksucker actually got caught doing what I was accused of. No apologies from the cops, not giving me my money back-just a lesson that you can’t trust all cops.

High Many years later, that same cop, Dacy was his name, called for backup from my department because he did a stop in our area. The area I grew up in was a little village on top of the hill and either side of the hill you go down, you end up in some part of our city. Anyway, he has a dui and some squirrels in the back seat that we’re giving his old ass a ration of shit. I walked up and when I saw it was him, I told my partner I would not back him up and I would tell him why later. So j went back to our cruiser and just sat there. Then the old fucking prick comes waddling back to ask me to run the driver for a dui. The system and machine had recently changed and none of the dinosaurs knew how to run a dui, not even my partner.

I finally told dacy that he treated me like shit when I was a kid and blamed me for shit I didn’t do and he wasn’t getting my help. I suggested he call out a county deputy for help, take the guy to the hospital for a blood draw, or learn how to do his fuckkng job. He asked me how to do a blood draw and i just looked at him and shook my head. I guess you better call the county i said. He tried to apologize for whatever it was that he did and I told him I did not accept it. I told him I wouldn’t let him get his ass beat or anything like that, but I wasn’t helping him do his job. We waited until county got there and left and I told my partner what had happened and he said he would have done the same thing, or much worse.

On the development of skills, we are still going to disagreeb no matter what. I am not in any way suggesting that cops develop special abilities, but you do learn how to read body language-I could tell when someone was going to run or fight and when they were lying most times. You can learn characteristics of armed subjects-how they carry, always protecting one side, hand on waist/crotch(works for drugs as well), heavy clothing or buldges where one shouldn’t be. You learn how to put together the puzzle that is ras and keep building a reason to conduct a stop and I got so good at it that defense lawyers very rarely challenged my ras.


As for training, I agree with you. I taught defensive tactics for 13 years and I constantly fought with the three chiefs I worked under to do much more dt and I was denied because of the cost to cover holes in shifts while officers were training. I explained that we were going to get nailed on a failure to train lawsuit if something ever happened. And some cops are so fat they make me sick. There should be a requirement that cops have a modicum of physical fitness. Departments should have gym memberships and some manner in which to track there time working out and get some comp/vacation time or even paid. Or some voluntary test each year to meet some minimum standards (based upon age) and they got a nice bonus. Being fit makes the department look better, are more reapected, and can do a better and easier job subduing suspects.

That's a severely alarming & disturbing story. Sorry that happened to you, but I'm sure it help shape you into who you are today.

As a society we have to ask ourselves how does a legit sick fk like that last decades on a force that's supposed to be about truth , justice ,& protecting all citizens...... A legit child abusing monster. Threatening to shoot & strong arm rob a child. Then making them steal from their parents. Hell that would even probably be considered armed robbery. Lol wtf.
Now thats a THUG.

This is exactly why I do get "triggered" with all the training & innate ability talk. Because I bet if you talked to that old POS cop, he would believe that he's some type of human lie detector. Or that he knew all the tells & had a legendary nose for crime. Then on top of that there will be a large amount of people who irrefutably believe his self assessment. Simply because he has a badge & a sick ego. That's why I classify it as dangerous rhetoric.

-Shouldn't all of these trained people with special skills be able to sniff out a criminal like that after decades???? Or even worse they know, but still enable & support It. Either way, like you say, giant credibility loss.

Here is another heavy point. Now I'm not saying I would have done more or that what you did that night wasn't commendable. However, some would have taken it a step further and wanted to get bad cops who can't do their job off the street.
Did you report them? ? ? Again I'm not saying you were wrong or that it 100% should have been done.
However, if you didn't report them....its probably for many of the same exact reasons why people in certain communities aren't going to snitch and tell on their own group too. Even if they are dead wrong. I bet the parallel reasonings would be scary similar. Just wanted to draw that parallel.

 

[Sinister]

The suspicion is not quelled by somebody saying i didn't do it even with a co-signer. They are allowed to investigate and its reasonable to assume a break in or vandalism if you see either act. Every criminal ever and their acompliance would just say "its my house, it's my car, I dont have to prove anything." Then the cops would just have to go away.
Pleading the 5th also is not a get out of an investigation/jail free card. It just means you don't have to incriminate yourself.

Plus even though I don't agree with the way cops use RAS all the time. It is true, that fleeing while being investigated or in the act of doing something suspicious validates the cop's case.

I do see witnesses saying that it was his truck. I wonder how many police officers in real life would call off their investigation based off that alone.

What other realistic "investigative tools" could they use if they can’t I.D. the owner?
I'm all for that and advocated for that in the stolen/car cop murdered incident. In that scenario it's easy to prove if the vehicle was the stolen car in question or not by running the plate & not forcing the occupent. In this scenario the only way to really identify the owner is by I.D.'ing them.

Let me ask you this. In the same exact situation you would do the same thing & not I.D. ??????

What? There's no set standard for quelling suspicion. Cops dont have the right to endlessly suspect a person of doing something illegal beyond them getting a reasonable explanation for what they are seeing. If his behavior isnt suspicious, and his explanation isnt suspicious, and others corroborate his story, that absolutely quells suspicion. There are even dozens of videos like this where a black person is doing something innocuous and attempts to explain it to suspecting Cops, then a white person corroborates it and the Cops leave, this is a source of contention among people.who raise concerns of implicit biases when a Cop takes the word of a white neighbor and not the black person they're talking to.

I don't think you understand the full scope of the 5th Amendment. Its not merely "pleading the 5th" like you see on TV. No one can compel you to incriminate yourself, especially Cops. It's a protection against tyrannical behavior. Cops are not legally allowed to be 100% convinced you're guilty, and force you to prove your innocense to them.

All they needed to do to prove the owner was the owner was accept the vouching of the family and neighbors. Like I said, to disbelieve that is to be conspiracy-brained as it was a large group of people ardently communicating to the Cops that they were accosting the owner of the vehicle, and they beat him up anyway. You know he could have locked his wallet and the ownership documents in the truck at the same time right? Happens to people all the time. He might not have even had an ID on him, so Cops ask for a name and date of birth...what if he knew the owner's name and date of birth? You can be reasonably suspicious, and unreasonably suspicious. Reasonable ends when you have a reasonable explanation, unreasonable continues beyond a reasonable explanation.

Oh I absolutely wouldnt have ID'd myself. I'm not in the business of sacrificing my rights because a Cop decides I'm guilty before they speak to me, or wants me to help them investigate myself. If you dont use your rights, you lose them. If I'm not doing anything illegal, and a Cop asks me if I'm doing anything illegal and I explain to them what I'm doing...them deciding that explanation isnt good enough is not my problem. Cops are just used to citizens not knowing any better.

 

[lifelessheap]

What? There's no set standard for quelling suspicion. Cops dont have the right to endlessly suspect a person of doing something illegal beyond them getting a reasonable explanation for what they are seeing. If his behavior isnt suspicious, and his explanation isnt suspicious, and others corroborate his story, that absolutely quells suspicion. There are even dozens of videos like this where a black person is doing something innocuous and attempts to explain it to suspecting Cops, then a white person corroborates it and the Cops leave, this is a source of contention among people.who raise concerns of implicit biases when a Cop takes the word of a white neighbor and not the black person they're talking to.

I don't think you understand the full scope of the 5th Amendment. Its not merely "pleading the 5th" like you see on TV. No one can compel you to incriminate yourself, especially Cops. It's a protection against tyrannical behavior. Cops are not legally allowed to be 100% convinced you're guilty, and force you to prove your innocense to them.

All they needed to do to prove the owner was the owner was accept the vouching of the family and neighbors. Like I said, to disbelieve that is to be conspiracy-brained as it was a large group of people ardently communicating to the Cops that they were accosting the owner of the vehicle, and they beat him up anyway. You know he could have locked his wallet and the ownership documents in the truck at the same time right? Happens to people all the time. He might not have even had an ID on him, so Cops ask for a name and date of birth...what if he knew the owner's name and date of birth? You can be reasonably suspicious, and unreasonably suspicious. Reasonable ends when you have a reasonable explanation, unreasonable continues beyond a reasonable explanation.

Oh I absolutely wouldnt have ID'd myself. I'm not in the business of sacrificing my rights because a Cop decides I'm guilty before they speak to me, or wants me to help them investigate myself. If you dont use your rights, you lose them. If I'm not doing anything illegal, and a Cop asks me if I'm doing anything illegal and I explain to them what I'm doing...them deciding that explanation isnt good enough is not my problem. Cops are just used to citizens not knowing any better.

Police need reasonable, articulable suspicion. We all know this. However, they also need a single, articulable FACT.

They need RAS and a RAF.

Of course the police don't know the law so it is moot. LoL.



Anyway, this sick cop uses his authority to sexually assault women. And the police make excuses for him. He killed a dude too. Clearly a psychopath.

 

[Sinister]

Police need reasonable, articulable suspicion. We all know this. However, they also need a single, articulable FACT.

They need RAS and a RAF.

Of course the police don't know the law so it is moot. LoL.



Anyway, this sick cop uses his authority to sexually assault women. And the police make excuses for him. He killed a dude too. Clearly a psychopath.

Cop was like:

"Stick dat booty out...yeah, got anything in them panties? Okay now shake them titties."

 

[Andy Capp]

It would in some cases, in others it just reinforces stereotypes & profiling. Or this whole idea that they have an innate ability when too many don’t.
Its like many other fields. Some exel. Some dont. Some are total fakers.

Also, training is not universal. Some of these cops do absolutely nothing. A lot aren't even in any kind of shape or have any kind of natural ability to handle themselves. I saw a study once that showed how most departments' firearms trainings were subpar at best. Also that cops were actually no better shots than any other demographic of people.
Based off my many interactions with LEO I have been flat out accused of some of the WILDEST unwarranted allegations ever. So I'm never going to be convinced that a majority of them are actually good at solving stuff. If you profile enough you are going to find success. Even a broken clock is still right twice a day.

Here is another funny story that helped shape my opinion. Im in my early twenties I just bought a newer 2004 Corvette. The car needed some work. So I fixed it up and built it up. The tags expired over the time it took me to rebuild the top end of the motor. I finished up the car and it had a misfire. So I figured it out. Ran to the DMV in my regular car to go get the new 30 day temp tags.
Got back and put the temp license plate tags in the hatch/trunk. Buttoned up what I had to do to the car and took it for a test drive.
I got pulled over and realized oh shit I forgot to put the temp tags on the car. No biggie. It was a Black State Trooper. He goes "do you know why I pulled you over?" I'm like probably, I think I forgot to put my temp tags on, they are in the back hatch. He then starts his horrible detective work.

He asked why was I driving the car. I'm like its my car and I just fixed it. Needed to test it on the highway in the upper RPMs to make sure the misfire was gone. I give him my insurance, my valid license, and told him I can grab the tags in the hatch or he can open the trunk from the outside to confirm I just got the tags several hours ago.
He goes no, im just going to run the vin.

He comes back with a giant wild concocted story that I was lying. That this wasn't my car & that the DMV had not issued me tags. This is a common theme in my life. Whenever I am driving a nicer or cool vehicle, cops are always going out of their way to lie and say its not mine. Its insane.

I'm like look Im not going to debate this with you. I gave you consent to search the car and to see the tags if you want. The car is in my name. I have the title for it & you can tell that by the vin. Also, you can see the vin on my insurance. I said I'm guilty of not displaying the tags but the tags are legit and inside the car. But saying the car isn't mine or isn't registered is wrong or a flat out lie.

He literally told me "if I didn't tell him the truth right away he was going to take my ass to jail."
At this point I requested a supervisor. He then ordered me to step out of the car. I told him the only way I'm getting out of the car is to open the hatch and give him the tags. He said fine. He then began his same "I'm giving you one more chance to tell the truth" b.s.
Then he proceeds to tell me I can't open the hatch. We go back & forth some more. He finally goes. Im going to cuff you and put you in the back of my car. If there are no tags in here Im taking you to jail. I'm like you are absolutely not cuffing me. Finally he said I can just sit in the back. At this point I'm like fuck it because he seemed dead set on taking me to jail.
He puts me in the back of his car not cuffed. He opens my hatch and grabs the tags & registration right away. He looks them over calls them in. Then comes back and says this.
"You still lied to me, these are temp tags, not real tags, I should still take you to jail. "
I'm like you can't & you won't unless you want a lawsuit. Took my paperwork back and he got back in his car and left.
After a lifetime of interactions like this forgive me if I don't feel like a lot of LEO are good at anything other than profiling.

Good ol' predictive policing, eh what?

 

[Poon Goon]

Anyway, he has a dui and some squirrels in the back seat that we’re giving his old ass a ration of shit.

Is squirrels slang for prostitutes or meth heads? I know lot lizards are truck stop prostitutes so I am guessing squirrels are sluts of some form.