Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[panamaican]

Look, I get the whole government versus gang shooting and why people would care more about one than the other, but 10k black people were straight up murdered last year. No one cares. But the police shoot someone and suddenly their life/death has purpose where as if they had been gunned down over sneakers, no one would bat an eye. Police shoot a shitbag and there are teddy bears and candles and shit like that. And my point is also that people like Castile will be shot and they barely blink but shoot Alton sterling and suddenly six cops have to be murdered. The community has chosen its side. It would rather side with shitheads than with the cops who together, maybe they could tackle the rampant crime issues.

It's not true to say that no one cares about the violence within those communities. The people in those communities care. They care about both gang shootings and crime and police shootings.

I live in a major US city. And while I live in a downtown area, not a lower socioeconomic community, the people overlap because lots of people who grow up in those areas go on to do things with their lives that take them out of the community while extended friends and family remain. People in the community care. They talk about it, they try to intervene, they make the effort. They're as frustrated with the local crime as they are with the police mistreatment.

It's the people outside those communities who don't care. People who only bring up the inner city crime as a pivot into belittling the people in those communities. The news vans don't show up for community nights or "stop the violence" block parties or whatever it is that the local community tries. The not as subtle as they think "I'm not racist, it's culture" characters who don't even pretend to care about what's going on in those areas, comfortably falling back on 100 year old stereotypes rather than the actual people.

And, of course, there will be teddy bears and candles. Because the "shitbag" is also a person. He has parents who care for him, friends he stood up for, people he loved and who loved him, even if he was also doing dirt. No one is bad all of the time, even shitbags, so we can't expect no one to mourn the loss of someone they called friend, family, or lover.

 

[Phisher]

Couldn't find a video without a commentary sharing their opinions but this is rich. ATF?

Another Bullshit Terry interaction. @nhbbear , These Dirty Cops were pretty pissed off that they did not get to search those Kids. This wasn't about jaywalking, this was about searching those Teens. It didn't have anything to do with Officer safety, it was about searching those Teens. Make no mistake, they didn't want to talk to those Teens, they wanted to search them.

I believe this is only about 40 miles or so from East Cleveland and the disturbing video @Phisher posted. Looks like Northern Ohio has some serious Policing issues at the Departmental level.

They were trying to get those kids' information to put them in a database. The main cop doing the talking basically admitted this in video when he was telling the woman what she needed to do to make them go away.

 

[nhbbear]

Doubling down on face to face contact being lawful justification for a search? The entire interaction is on video. Please enlighten us on what articulable facts you observed that suggest Canaris was not only armed, but currently a danger to the Officer also.

Criminal with a Badge uses excessive force, he finally got fired for it. His Supervisor's and the Prosecuting Attorney should also get fired for Official Misconduct and Dereliction of Duties.

Simple. Suspected thieves are criminals and criminals are often armed. In my experience, people that break into cars are often armed with knives. You already have your reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is occurring based upon the witness accounts and call. That gives the officer the right to stop him and detain him. If he has the right to detain him, a Pat down is ok. Minus the slam, this would pass terry

 

[nhbbear]

It's not true to say that no one cares about the violence within those communities. The people in those communities care. They care about both gang shootings and crime and police shootings.

I live in a major US city. And while I live in a downtown area, not a lower socioeconomic community, the people overlap because lots of people who grow up in those areas go on to do things with their lives that take them out of the community while extended friends and family remain. People in the community care. They talk about it, they try to intervene, they make the effort. They're as frustrated with the local crime as they are with the police mistreatment.

It's the people outside those communities who don't care. People who only bring up the inner city crime as a pivot into belittling the people in those communities. The news vans don't show up for community nights or "stop the violence" block parties or whatever it is that the local community tries. The not as subtle as they think "I'm not racist, it's culture" characters who don't even pretend to care about what's going on in those areas, comfortably falling back on 100 year old stereotypes rather than the actual people.

And, of course, there will be teddy bears and candles. Because the "shitbag" is also a person. He has parents who care for him, friends he stood up for, people he loved and who loved him, even if he was also doing dirt. No one is bad all of the time, even shitbags, so we can't expect no one to mourn the loss of someone they called friend, family, or lover.

well, let me know when one of those community bbq reach the size of a police protest

 

[nhbbear]

No, he was walking to work. The cop would have figured it out if he simply talked to him rather than immediately putting hands on and assaulting him.



Sounds like you had the same shit training fat boy did. If we get a "call" on you that means we can beat your ass if you don't listen to us even tho we have no evidence of any criminal activity. What facts did the officer have that would give him reason to suspect this man of a crime?

Um, my first thought was “the guy in dark clothing with the backpack is breaking into cars” the fucking guy had car parts in his bag. He was informed he was detained, told to put his hands behind his back and even warned he would end up on the ground, he probably didn’t expect a duplex from hell. Lol

 

[nhbbear]

Super cop has spoken

and thus Endeth the lesson

 

[Joshuaace]

They were trying to get those kids' information to put them in a database. The main cop doing the talking basically admitted this in video when he was telling the woman what she needed to do to make them go away.

They were going to search those kids. They as much as said that the motivation for the stop was to perform a Terry frisk. The Lorain PD released a 33 page Power Point presentation https://0f809946060b84c0b9e6-2d6d6d...m/files/0/0/0/0/169/997/Presentation.pptx.pdf about the incident. It may as well have been written by our resident boot licker. They say the Officers' had reasonable suspicion to investigate those Teens specifically for the crime of "carrying a concealed firearm". That suspicion was based on these Officer observations:

"Subjects were dressed in hooded sweatshirts when temperatures were noted to be in the high 60s • Subjects clutching their waistbands as officers drove past • Subjects’ upper body scanning their surroundings while lower body stayed stationary • Subjects seen patting or touching a particular area (waistband) as a security check to make sure that firearm is where it is expected to be Click this link for further full article relating to this and other indications of carrying a concealed weapon"

Comically, the link is not to State or Federal Court cases, not even Department Regulations. Their link is to an Alien Holsters advertisement. That's the source they cited for spotting the crime of concealed carry. What's really damn funny is this part of the video (Timestamped). Where 2 girls "Jaywalk" right in front of a dozen LEO's. They are dressed in even heavier clothes than the boys, and also appear to be clutching items. They are essentially doing the same things the boys are accused of.

 

[SLUG1186]

Um, my first thought was “the guy in dark clothing with the backpack is breaking into cars” the fucking guy had car parts in his bag. He was informed he was detained, told to put his hands behind his back and even warned he would end up on the ground, he probably didn’t expect a duplex from hell. Lol

Yea, innocent people don't expect psycho cops to just roll up and toss them within 30 seconds of contact. That sentiment is changing with all these videos, so we'll see how it plays out in the long run.

 

[nhbbear]

They were going to search those kids. They as much as said that the motivation for the stop was to perform a Terry frisk. The Lorain PD released a 33 page Power Point presentation https://0f809946060b84c0b9e6-2d6d6d...m/files/0/0/0/0/169/997/Presentation.pptx.pdf about the incident. It may as well have been written by our resident boot licker. They say the Officers' had reasonable suspicion to investigate those Teens specifically for the crime of "carrying a concealed firearm". That suspicion was based on these Officer observations:

"Subjects were dressed in hooded sweatshirts when temperatures were noted to be in the high 60s • Subjects clutching their waistbands as officers drove past • Subjects’ upper body scanning their surroundings while lower body stayed stationary • Subjects seen patting or touching a particular area (waistband) as a security check to make sure that firearm is where it is expected to be Click this link for further full article relating to this and other indications of carrying a concealed weapon"

Comically, the link is not to State or Federal Court cases, not even Department Regulations. Their link is to an Alien Holsters advertisement. That's the source they cited for spotting the crime of concealed carry. What's really damn funny is this part of the video (Timestamped). Where 2 girls "Jaywalk" right in front of a dozen LEO's. They are dressed in even heavier clothes than the boys, and also appear to be clutching items. They are essentially doing the same things the boys are accused of.

If you want to call me a boot locker, @ me pussy. And how exactly is one a bootlicker if they spent a lifetime in the job. Take your pathetic public defender nonsense elsewhere

 

[koquerelle]

Maybe a little
Much with that serious of a slam, but...

I generally appreciate your input and knowledge, but there's no justification for what that fat fuck did.

 

[nhbbear]

I generally appreciate your input and knowledge, but there's no justification for what that fat fuck did.

fair enough. I did capitalize “much” to indicate it was definitely too much, but I don’t have issue with the general use of force there. But that slam is for someone going for your gun, not when a guy is seeming to stall getting cuffs on.

 

[Joshuaace]

Simple. Suspected thieves are criminals and criminals are often armed. In my experience, people that break into cars are often armed with knives. You already have your reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is occurring based upon the witness accounts and call. That gives the officer the right to stop him and detain him. If he has the right to detain him, a Pat down is ok. Minus the slam, this would pass terry

and thus Endeth the lesson

If you want to call me a boot locker, @ me pussy. And how exactly is one a bootlicker if they spent a lifetime in the job. Take your pathetic public defender nonsense elsewhere

You aren't giving any lessons. You can't even comprehend the basic requirement of Terry v Ohio that the suspect be currently armed and presently dangerous.

There is no Valor in being a Dirty LEO, so go ahead and steal that all you want, Boot Licker. You would have gotten repeatedly embarrassed at Evidentiary Hearings, resulting in multiple Civil Lawsuits against your Municipality for Civil Rights Violations. While I have seen several Dumbass LEO's over the years testify along the lines of "I frisk everyone I come in contact with", "I frisk every time I do a FST", "I always frisk at night"; I don't think I've ever seen a LEO say such dumb shit a 2nd time under Oath at an Evidentiary Hearing, after losing his evidence that way previously. I also don't think I've ever seen a Patrol Officer with more than a couple years experience say some retarded shit like that on the Stand.

 

[the ambush]

And then there's people like Elijah McClain whose crime consisted of wearing a ski mask in cold weather and was basically tortured to death by cops. Or Philandro Castile, a legal gun owner who was gunned down in his car after informing police he was armed. As far as I know none of the cops were fired let alone charged with a crime as they should've been.

That's the issue, you can talk about how there's millions of police interactions and these are only a few bad apples but when police are bad apples they are protected by the blue wall of silence. It also misses the point that there are many negative interactions that people have with police that don't get recorded or publicized and its usually an accumulation of such interactions that leads to deep distrust. Ferguson is a good example, the Mike Brown shooting was stultified but the 2nd DOJ report looking into the FPD showed that the PD regularly violated the rights of the citizens in the area and specifically targeted blacks for fines to help fund the city budget. If you live under such a PD of course you're not going to trust them when they claim their shootings are justified.

In the past I explained in detail in other threads how I thought the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, MO was bs and the counterargument was always that an investigation proved otherwise. When a person reads enough of these law enforcement stories that involve a gray area a person realizes the investigations are never perfect.

What happened that night was an unarmed African American male, Michael Brown, and his friend were crossing a street and officer Wilson verbally made a statement from his car that began the encounter. I believed as an officer of the law they were not suppose to escalate situations verbally? After a brief encounter between the officer and Brown a scuffle ensued and Brown was fired upon 12 times, 6 shots effectively landing. 6 of 12 shots is not exactly a good ratio for a trained officer. After the shooting did happen most people had no clue the city of Ferguson had their own PD. I do not believe it is okay for a city to be burnt down to rubble yet I can understand why people were a bit upset

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-for-his-death.4274901/page-26#post-170276303

 

[Islam Imamate]

In the past I explained in detail in other threads how I thought the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, MO was bs and the counterargument was always that an investigation proved otherwise. When a person reads enough of these law enforcement stories that involve a gray area a person realizes the investigations are never perfect.

What happened that night was an unarmed African American male, Michael Brown, and his friend were crossing a street and officer Wilson verbally made a statement from his car that began the encounter. I believed as an officer of the law they were not suppose to escalate situations verbally? After a brief encounter between the officer and Brown a scuffle ensued and Brown was fired upon 12 times, 6 shots effectively landing. 6 of 12 shots is not exactly a good ratio for a trained officer. After the shooting did happen most people had no clue the city of Ferguson had their own PD. I do not believe it is okay for a city to be burnt down to rubble yet I can understand why people were a bit upset

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-for-his-death.4274901/page-26#post-170276303

Its been a while since I've looked into the Ferguson case but from what I remember Mike Brown had gunshot residue on him which could've only happened if he was really close to the gun when it fires which helped corroborate Officer Wilson's story that Brown was reaching for his gun.

 

[nhbbear]

You aren't giving any lessons. You can't even comprehend the basic requirement of Terry v Ohio that the suspect be currently armed and presently dangerous.

There is no Valor in being a Dirty LEO, so go ahead and steal that all you want, Boot Licker. You would have gotten repeatedly embarrassed at Evidentiary Hearings, resulting in multiple Civil Lawsuits against your Municipality for Civil Rights Violations. While I have seen several Dumbass LEO's over the years testify along the lines of "I frisk everyone I come in contact with", "I frisk every time I do a FST", "I always frisk at night"; I don't think I've ever seen a LEO say such dumb shit a 2nd time under Oath at an Evidentiary Hearing, after losing his evidence that way previously. I also don't think I've ever seen a Patrol Officer with more than a couple years experience say some retarded shit like that on the Stand.

Ok, pissant public defender

 

[nhbbear]

Its been a while since I've looked into the Ferguson case but from what I remember Mike Brown had gunshot residue on him which could've only happened if he was really close to the gun when it fires which helped corroborate Officer Wilson's story that Brown was reaching for his gun.

and bloodsplatter inside the car

 

[nhbbear]

In the past I explained in detail in other threads how I thought the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, MO was bs and the counterargument was always that an investigation proved otherwise. When a person reads enough of these law enforcement stories that involve a gray area a person realizes the investigations are never perfect.

What happened that night was an unarmed African American male, Michael Brown, and his friend were crossing a street and officer Wilson verbally made a statement from his car that began the encounter. I believed as an officer of the law they were not suppose to escalate situations verbally? After a brief encounter between the officer and Brown a scuffle ensued and Brown was fired upon 12 times, 6 shots effectively landing. 6 of 12 shots is not exactly a good ratio for a trained officer. After the shooting did happen most people had no clue the city of Ferguson had their own PD. I do not believe it is okay for a city to be burnt down to rubble yet I can understand why people were a bit upset

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-for-his-death.4274901/page-26#post-170276303

First, it was broad daylight. brown was on video attacking a store employee and when Wilson was probably going to cite him at most for walking down the middle of the street, brown probably thought he was going to get arrested for the assault, so he attacked Wilson.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

https://rivercitypost.org/lapd-launches-investigation-into-crooked-cop-who-says-i-was-under-attack/

A cop from the Los Angeles Police Department, who has three been involved in three on-duty shootings during his career, is under investigation after he was caught repeatedly punching a man in the head while he was handcuffed.

LAPD did not mention the officer by name but the LA Times reported that Frank Hernandez is the cop seen furiously delivering blows to the trespassing suspect in a video filmed by a witness.

In the clip, the two appear to be in conversation before the officer suddenly begins attacking him. The suspect is seen bending over, seemingly to protect his body as his wrists remain in restraints.

The suspect does not appear to be fighting back but the cop is seen delivering a series of punches outside Church of God of the Prophecy, before pausing and starting again. He appears to hit the suspect more than a dozen times.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

https://rivercitypost.org/lapd-launches-investigation-into-crooked-cop-who-says-i-was-under-attack/

A cop from the Los Angeles Police Department, who has three been involved in three on-duty shootings during his career, is under investigation after he was caught repeatedly punching a man in the head while he was handcuffed.

LAPD did not mention the officer by name but the LA Times reported that Frank Hernandez is the cop seen furiously delivering blows to the trespassing suspect in a video filmed by a witness.

In the clip, the two appear to be in conversation before the officer suddenly begins attacking him. The suspect is seen bending over, seemingly to protect his body as his wrists remain in restraints.

The suspect does not appear to be fighting back but the cop is seen delivering a series of punches outside Church of God of the Prophecy, before pausing and starting again. He appears to hit the suspect more than a dozen times.

Isn't this case from 2020? Did they just launch at investigation?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Isn't this case from 2020? Did they just launch at investigation?

https://boyleheightsbeat.com/2-years-probation-for-lapd-officer-charged-with-boyle-heights-beating/

Yeah, my bad, it was resolved last year.

Bloody Twitter lol